1 in 8 "Americans" recieve food stamps. Outrageous!

[IronWing]

Right now, I am a student working a minimum wage job part time. It's been dam hard to find good part time jobs since they raised the minimum wage. To answer your question, labor costs should be decided by the market.

You didn't answer the question. If low wages lead to a healthy economy, offering your services for a lower wage is surely the right thing to do. Are you willing to give up a buck an hour? Two bucks? Put your theory into practice.

 

[Siddhartha]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/29/us/29foodstamps.html?hp

I quoted Americans because we still don't know if they are all American citizens or if they are illegals. They pulled the same trick with the healthcare debate, saying 45 million "Americans" didn't have healthcare when a large portion of those 45 million were illegals.

However, going back to the main theme of the article, maybe this is why we're in a recession. We're spending billions of dollars so people can get fresh vegetables, fruits, and meats. NO! If you're on food stamps, you should be restricted to rice, beans, and multivitamins. No luxuries like milk and cheese for you sir. Get off the taxpayer dime, get off your lazy ass, and go find a job.

Yep,
Feeding people, particularly children, during bad economic times is disgraceful.

 

[VChuck]

Right now, I am a student working a minimum wage job part time. It's been dam hard to find good part time jobs since they raised the minimum wage. To answer your question, labor costs should be decided by the market.[/QUOTE

Heh,figures.all I needed to read.

 

[blackangst1]

You didn't answer the question. If low wages lead to a healthy economy, offering your services for a lower wage is surely the right thing to do. Are you willing to give up a buck an hour? Two bucks? Put your theory into practice.

Where did he say that?

 

[ProfJohn]

The biggest problems with these programs is that they are too generous.

We should cut back on the amount of money awarded to each person. Force them to do a better job at budgeting, force them to shop at Walmart or other cheap stores. Make their lives a little more difficult and thus make the reward for getting off food stamps and getting a job that much greater.

 

[Red Dawn]

I wasn't talking about food in any way shape or form in my post. Everybody knows this.

You were just trolling then, got it.

 

[dawp]

The biggest problems with these programs is that they are too generous.

We should cut back on the amount of money awarded to each person. Force them to do a better job at budgeting, force them to shop at Walmart or other cheap stores. Make their lives a little more difficult and thus make the reward for getting off food stamps and getting a job that much greater.

Do you know how much the average person on food stamps get? it ain't as much as you think it is.

 

[IronWing]

Where did he say that?

Right here:

All of them deserve to be blamed. The recipe for a healthy economy is low taxes with low labor costs. Unions keep labor costs high and welfare (including corporate welfare) keeps taxes high.

But, it seems, that only applies to the cost of other people's labor not his own.

 

[shadow9d9]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/29/us/29foodstamps.html?hp

I quoted Americans because we still don't know if they are all American citizens or if they are illegals. They pulled the same trick with the healthcare debate, saying 45 million "Americans" didn't have healthcare when a large portion of those 45 million were illegals.

However, going back to the main theme of the article, maybe this is why we're in a recession. We're spending billions of dollars so people can get fresh vegetables, fruits, and meats. NO! If you're on food stamps, you should be restricted to rice, beans, and multivitamins. No luxuries like milk and cheese for you sir. Get off the taxpayer dime, get off your lazy ass, and go find a job.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/121820/one-six-adults-without-health-insurance.aspx

"The latest official estimate of healthcare coverage from the U.S. Census Bureau is for 2007, and reveals that 15.3% of all Americans (including children) are without insurance. This translates into the oft-cited figure of 46 million Americans without insurance."

Show me where illegals are included.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Right now, I am a student working a minimum wage job part time. It's been dam hard to find good part time jobs since they raised the minimum wage. To answer your question, labor costs should be decided by the market.

LOL, so the kid who works minimum wage, and is on either mommy and daddy's dole or on the government dole is complaining about people on other people's dole? WOW, what a complete joke you are. Put your money where your mouth is, get a real job (aka something that lets you be independent), move outta mommy's basement, go to school on top of that and prepare 4-5 healthy meals a day. When you actually have to pay for everything, you'll realize how hard it can be to live a decent life. I'm so sure you'll give up TV, internet, turn down the heating to 60 and all that other jazz you expect of other people when you can't afford all your bills. Chances are you'll be the first kid in line at the welfare office once you realize you can get it.

Grow the fuck up kid.

 

[Robor]

Right now, I am a student working a minimum wage job part time. It's been dam hard to find good part time jobs since they raised the minimum wage. To answer your question, labor costs should be decided by the market.

LOL @ a part time minimum wage worker complaining about how 'our' tax dollars are being spent.

 

[dmcowen674]

I nominate this OP and thread ATPN Pwnage of 2009

 

[Fear No Evil]

I nominate this OP and thread ATPN Pwnage of 2009

I'm pretty sure you've posted a thread this year.

 

[ebaycj]

No, I'm a fiscal conservative. I don't care about any of the compassionate crap.

I would say "Fiscal Conservative Self-Righteous Asshole" describes it pretty well.

 

[fskimospy]

LOL @ a part time minimum wage worker complaining about how 'our' tax dollars are being spent.

Imagine that. 18-19 year old kid has extreme views that he's never had to endure the consequences of.

News at 11.

 

[nageov3t]

The biggest problems with these programs is that they are too generous.

We should cut back on the amount of money awarded to each person. Force them to do a better job at budgeting, force them to shop at Walmart or other cheap stores. Make their lives a little more difficult and thus make the reward for getting off food stamps and getting a job that much greater.

I know, it's crazy... every time I go to Whole Foods, all I see are people buying stuff with food stamps.

wait, no. I've never seen that because they're all already shopping at walmart and other cheap stores.

there aren't really any poor people here in the Republican part of NJ, but back when I lived up north, there were like 3 stores that I would 100% not shop in because they were where all the people with food stamps went (and nothing against the program itself, but lines would take forever because people would just fill up their carts and then void out one purchase after another until they were under their $ cap)

 

[Darwin333]

I suspect you'd end up spending more $billions and not Saving anything. You would end up having to expand existing Food Banks and building(or Leasing space) for many more. Then you would have to put up with Grocery Retailers upset over lost Sales and accusations of unfair Competition(see HealthCare Debate).

I don't know. With 36M people on the program we should get one hell of a "bulk discount".

 

[ayabe]

The most damning part about this is that it's 1 out of 4 children, and in some area like St. Louis it's 1 out of 2!

That is a sad state of affairs and while it's tempting to pin the blame in illegals and welfare queens, the truth is that the majority of these people just cannot make ends meet and if anything these numbers are under-reporting the true need.

 

[Darwin333]

dramatically increasing overhead... to save money.

/headasplode

if a parent is working 2 jobs just to make ends meet, I imagine they're not going to have the free time in their life to prepare fresh meals 3 times/day 7 days/week.

If their kids are in school we are probably already providing 2 healthy (supposed to be at least) meals a day. You do make a valid point though. How about a compromise, if you work more than 40 hours/week you get some sort of coupon for 2 hot healthy meals (for the entire family) a week?

The bottom line to this entire debate is: The VAST majority of people don't want and are not willing to simply allow people to starve. However, the vast majority of people have seen people blatantly abusing the system with their own eyes. When you are busting your ass to make ends meet and the person in front of you at the grocery store is a seemingly able bodied person who is buying more expensive food than you are and puts that food in a new car thats more expensive than yours yet you have to pick up the tab on their steaks.... that pisses people off and you can't blame em.

We need to stop debating the extreme side of this issue (fuck em all, end food stamps and let them starve) and figure out a decent way to not only remove the fraud but offer incentives to better yourself instead of punishing it like our current programs do. Generational welfare does exist and it is a horrible thing. We can argue about personal responsibility but its hard to deny that we don't also hold some of the responsibility as well for literally offering incentives to be that way.

If your ever down in NOLA shoot me a PM. I will take you to see exactly what I am talking about. 4 generations living next door to each other in government provided slums I wouldn't let my dog crap in. 2 of those generations have never known anything other than living in the system and wouldn't know how to "get out" if they thought they wanted to. It is truly a sad sight and I would argue that we have not helped those people one bit, quite the opposite in my opinion.

There are some very real and very disturbing problems with our current system and the right and the left should be able to come together and fix at least a few of them. Unfortunately, I doubt that will happen strictly for bullshit partisan reasons.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

If their kids are in school we are probably already providing 2 healthy (supposed to be at least) meals a day. You do make a valid point though. How about a compromise, if you work more than 40 hours/week you get some sort of coupon for 2 hot healthy meals (for the entire family) a week?

The bottom line to this entire debate is: The VAST majority of people don't want and are not willing to simply allow people to starve. However, the vast majority of people have seen people blatantly abusing the system with their own eyes. When you are busting your ass to make ends meet and the person in front of you at the grocery store is a seemingly able bodied person who is buying more expensive food than you are and puts that food in a new car thats more expensive than yours yet you have to pick up the tab on their steaks.... that pisses people off and you can't blame em.

We need to stop debating the extreme side of this issue (fuck em all, end food stamps and let them starve) and figure out a decent way to not only remove the fraud but offer incentives to better yourself instead of punishing it like our current programs do. Generational welfare does exist and it is a horrible thing. We can argue about personal responsibility but its hard to deny that we don't also hold some of the responsibility as well for literally offering incentives to be that way.

If your ever down in NOLA shoot me a PM. I will take you to see exactly what I am talking about. 4 generations living next door to each other in government provided slums I wouldn't let my dog crap in. 2 of those generations have never known anything other than living in the system and wouldn't know how to "get out" if they thought they wanted to. It is truly a sad sight and I would argue that we have not helped those people one bit, quite the opposite in my opinion.

There are some very real and very disturbing problems with our current system and the right and the left should be able to come together and fix at least a few of them. Unfortunately, I doubt that will happen strictly for bullshit partisan reasons.

Excellent post. Kudos!

 

[blackangst1]

The biggest problems with these programs is that they are too generous.

We should cut back on the amount of money awarded to each person. Force them to do a better job at budgeting, force them to shop at Walmart or other cheap stores. Make their lives a little more difficult and thus make the reward for getting off food stamps and getting a job that much greater.

I disagree. What needs to be tackled is abuse of the system itself. Make the penalties for doing things like exchanging stamps (or cards as most are now) 1:2 ratios for cash stuff.

 

[her209]

Have you guys ever tried to live only on welfare programs?

 

[IGBT]

The biggest problems with these programs is that they are too generous.

We should cut back on the amount of money awarded to each person. Force them to do a better job at budgeting, force them to shop at Walmart or other cheap stores. Make their lives a little more difficult and thus make the reward for getting off food stamps and getting a job that much greater.

and there is no end to them. there should be a life time cap on tax payer funded handouts.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Yep,
Feeding people, particularly children, during bad economic times is disgraceful.

I agree.... but the nanny statists don't seem to...

 

[OutHouse]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/29/us/29foodstamps.html?hp

I quoted Americans because we still don't know if they are all American citizens or if they are illegals. They pulled the same trick with the healthcare debate, saying 45 million "Americans" didn't have healthcare when a large portion of those 45 million were illegals.

However, going back to the main theme of the article, maybe this is why we're in a recession. We're spending billions of dollars so people can get fresh vegetables, fruits, and meats. NO! If you're on food stamps, you should be restricted to rice, beans, and multivitamins. No luxuries like milk and cheese for you sir. Get off the taxpayer dime, get off your lazy ass, and go find a job.

what a pompous ignorant post.