1 in 8 "Americans" recieve food stamps. Outrageous!

[Hacp]

....one in eight Americans and one in four children. It has grown so rapidly in places so diverse that it is becoming nearly as ordinary as the groceries it buys. More than 36 million people use inconspicuous plastic cards for staples like milk, bread and cheese, swiping them at counters in blighted cities and in suburbs pocked with foreclosure signs.

From the ailing resorts of the Florida Keys to Alaskan villages along the Bering Sea, the program is now expanding at a pace of about 20,000 people a day.

There are 239 counties in the United States where at least a quarter of the population receives food stamps, according to an analysis of local data collected by The New York Times.

The counties are as big as the Bronx and Philadelphia and as small as Owsley County in Kentucky, a patch of Appalachian distress where half of the 4,600 residents receive food stamps.

In more than 750 counties, the program helps feed one in three blacks. In more than 800 counties, it helps feed one in three children. In the Mississippi River cities of St. Louis, Memphis and New Orleans, half of the children or more receive food stamps. Even in Peoria, Ill. — Everytown, U.S.A. — nearly 40 percent of children receive aid.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/29/us/29foodstamps.html?hp

I quoted Americans because we still don't know if they are all American citizens or if they are illegals. They pulled the same trick with the healthcare debate, saying 45 million "Americans" didn't have healthcare when a large portion of those 45 million were illegals.

However, going back to the main theme of the article, maybe this is why we're in a recession. We're spending billions of dollars so people can get fresh vegetables, fruits, and meats. NO! If you're on food stamps, you should be restricted to rice, beans, and multivitamins. No luxuries like milk and cheese for you sir. Get off the taxpayer dime, get off your lazy ass, and go find a job.

 

[feralkid]

Kill all your neighbors; make the voices go away.

 

[whylaff]

I am confused by your post. Are rice, beans, and multivitamins available at no cost, thus alleviating the funding problem? Perhaps the issue is not as simple as you portray.

 

[nageov3t]

food stamps are great. the money gets put right back into the economy and I'd imagine that people with full bellies are easier to control.

 

[First]

Kill all your neighbors; make the voices go away.

lmao, my first thought as well. Why is it always right-wing extremists that sound like schizophrenics? Must be the massive dose of stupid it takes to conclude that you must be a lazy person if you're on food stamps or that illegals somehow get stamps in any significant quantity.

 

[stateofbeasley]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/29/us/29foodstamps.html?hp

Get off the taxpayer dime, get off your lazy ass, and go find a job.

Hacp, why don't you get off this forum, go back to school, and learn to read.

The people profiled in this article either HAVE jobs, or lost them due to the recession.

Working:

With most of his co-workers laid off, Greg Dawson, a third-generation electrician in rural Martinsville, considers himself lucky to still have a job. He works the night shift for a contracting firm, installing freezer lights in a chain of grocery stores. But when his overtime income vanished and his expenses went up, Mr. Dawson started skimping on meals to feed his wife and five children.

While Mr. Dawson, the electrician, has kept his job, the drive to distant work sites has doubled his gas bill, food prices rose sharply last year and his health insurance premiums have soared. His monthly expenses have risen by about $400, and the elimination of overtime has cost him $200 a month. Food stamps help fill the gap.

2 income household hit by double layoff:

Sarah and Tyrone Mangold started the year on track to make $70,000 — she was selling health insurance, and he was working on a heating and air conditioning crew. She got laid off in the spring, and he a few months later. Together they had one unemployment check and a blended family of three children, including one with a neurological disorder aggravated by poor nutrition.

They ate at his mother’s house twice a week. They pawned jewelry. She scoured the food pantry. He scrounged for side jobs. Their frustration peaked one night over a can of pinto beans. Each blamed the other when that was all they had to eat.

This is what I hate about a lot of the "conservatives" here. No compassion whatsoever. Just a lot of greed and narcissism.

 

[boomerang]

Don't for one single minute think that our government is interested in saving money. They'll spend every dollar they get, every dollar they're going to get and every dollar they can borrow.

What's relevant is that our Chairman has now realized that there may be some importance to job creation. He's scheduled a look into that in the near future.

Barack Obama announces jobs summit

Under pressure from a double-digit unemployment rate, President Barack Obama announced Thursday that he will hold a jobs summit at the White House in December.

Obama said a variety of business, labor and non-profit leaders will discuss job creation at the forum. He didn’t announce the date of the summit.

It's encouraging to see he now thinks there may be a problem.

Nancy Pelosi has publicly stated that she feels that Americans are ready to take on more debt to create still more jobs. Pay no attention to recent discoveries of fraud by our government concerning job creation. Don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain, actually, pretend there is no curtain at all.

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) figures that most Americans wouldn’t mind “absorbing” more "stimulus"-spawned government indebtedness if the additional government spending means increasing employment. “So if somebody has the idea that the percentage of GDP of what our national debt is will go up a bit, but they will now — and their neighbors and their children will — have jobs, I think they could absorb that,” Pelosi told bloggers during a conference call on November 24.

So brace yourself to take on still more debt. We may just tap out all the funds that the Chinese are willing to throw our way.

Google the "cloward-piven strategy".

History is being made right before your very eyes.

 

[Hacp]

Hacp, why don't you get off this forum, go back to school, and learn to read.

The people profiled in this article either HAVE jobs, or lost them due to the recession.

Working:



2 income household hit by double layoff:


This is what I hate about a lot of the "conservatives" here. No compassion whatsoever. Just a lot of greed and narcissism.

Great, 2 people out of millions. Thats a nice percentage.

 

[Hacp]

I am confused by your post. Are rice, beans, and multivitamins available at no cost, thus alleviating the funding problem? Perhaps the issue is not as simple as you portray.

No its cheaper to feed people with rice and beans. Guess what India gives its poor? Rice and beans! They spend significantly less feeding their poor than we spend feeding our "poor".

 

[stateofbeasley]

Hey buddy, the burden is on YOU to prove that food stamp recipients are what you say they are.

You make the accusation, you back it up. C'mon you fraking wimp, put up a real fight.

 

[Hacp]

Hey buddy, the burden is on YOU to prove that food stamp recipients are what you say they are.

You make the accusation, you back it up. C'mon you fraking wimp, put up a real fight.

66% of Americans are overweight. And, according to the American Obesity Association, a research organization, poor minority women have the greatest likelihood of being overweight. Lets start by denying these overweight people food stamps first. If your BMI is greater than 20, you shouldn't be on food stamps.

Also, 99% of Americans own a TV. That means 99% of the 1/8 on food stamps own a TV. Maybe they should pawn the TV first before they get food stamps?

Of the people who earn less than 25000, over 30% are obese.

 

[Ozoned]

lmao, my first thought as well. Why is it always right-wing extremists that sound like schizophrenics? Must be the massive dose of stupid it takes to conclude that you must be a lazy person if you're on food stamps or that illegals somehow get stamps in any significant quantity.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/FSP/applicant_recipients/eligibility.htm#income



The government has food stamp guidelines for the lazy. They require them to get off their ass and look for a job. The illegals use the same id on their foodstamp aps as they do to get a job. Verification is a joke. When they can't get stamps using federal guidelines, they defer to the state programs that often accomodate their needs.

 

[nageov3t]

No its cheaper to feed people with rice and beans. Guess what India gives its poor? Rice and beans! They spend significantly less feeding their poor than we spend feeding our "poor".

they'd be more expensive still to support if they were in prison for stealing food.

are you really losing sleep over poor people eating meat and vegetables instead of rice and beans when the money goes right back into the economy?

 

[Cogman]

Um, lets do the math here, Unemployment rate, 10%, What does that translate to? 1/10. Does it make sense that some people (2.5%) work and don't receive enough income to support themselves or their families? Yes. Does 1/8 or 12.5% sound reasonable then? I think it does.

Whats really depressing is that 1/4 of the children are on food stamps. What does that mean? It means that low/no income families account for 1/4 of all the children in the US. That is a MUCH scarier statistic to me. It means that by the time that next generation grows up, there is a good chance that welfare will increase to that level.

(I know, some kids get out of the slums, yada yada, but the fact is, a mass majority of them stay in the slums. If mom and dad are one welfare there is a good chance that the kids will be as well.)

 

[Hacp]

Um, lets do the math here, Unemployment rate, 10%, What does that translate to? 1/10. Does it make sense that some people (2.5%) work and don't receive enough income to support themselves or their families? Yes. Does 1/8 or 12.5% sound reasonable then? I think it does.

Whats really depressing is that 1/4 of the children are on food stamps. What does that mean? It means that low/no income families account for 1/4 of all the children in the US. That is a MUCH scarier statistic to me. It means that by the time that next generation grows up, there is a good chance that welfare will increase to that level.

(I know, some kids get out of the slums, yada yada, but the fact is, a mass majority of them stay in the slums. If mom and dad are one welfare there is a good chance that the kids will be as well.)

Not all of the people unemployed need food stamps. They have savings. They have retirement accounts. They have equity in their house. They have cars. They can ask for help from their friends and relatives. Only when you exhaust all options should you be allowed to get assistance. In most countries, if you can't work for your food, you starve to death. I think people should be grateful that we have a food program at all.

 

[Acanthus]

66% of Americans are overweight. And, according to the American Obesity Association, a research organization, poor minority women have the greatest likelihood of being overweight. Lets start by denying these overweight people food stamps first. If your BMI is greater than 20, you shouldn't be on food stamps.

Also, 99% of Americans own a TV. That means 99% of the 1/8 on food stamps own a TV. Maybe they should pawn the TV first before they get food stamps?

Of the people who earn less than 25000, over 30% are obese.

The problem there is, cheap food is loaded with sugars and starches.

 

[Slew Foot]

And here I am getting up at 4am on a sunday to have the government take 50% of my salary. F you government.

 

[stateofbeasley]

66% of Americans are overweight. And, according to the American Obesity Association, a research organization, poor minority women have the greatest likelihood of being overweight. Lets start by denying these overweight people food stamps first. If your BMI is greater than 20, you shouldn't be on food stamps.

Also, 99% of Americans own a TV. That means 99% of the 1/8 on food stamps own a TV. Maybe they should pawn the TV first before they get food stamps?

Of the people who earn less than 25000, over 30% are obese.

That's a miserable effort. That all you got?

People get fat when they eat lots of simple sugars and starches. You complain that they are buying milk and fruit and vegetables, but those kinds of foods have nutritional value, not just empty calories.

 

[Cogman]

Not all of the people unemployed need food stamps. They have savings. They have retirement accounts. They have equity in their house. They have cars. They can ask for help from their friends and relatives. Only when you exhaust all options should you be allowed to get assistance. In most countries, if you can't work for your food, you starve to death. I think people should be grateful that we have a food program at all.

Do you think that the average low-income American HAS savings, a retirement account, or friend that are willing to dip into theirs to fund them? While high unemployment hurts everyone, it primarily targets those with low incomes.

Heck, the average american doesn't have a savings or retirement plan. They are up to their Eyeballs in credit card debt.

 

[stateofbeasley]

And here I am getting up at 4am on a sunday to have the government take 50% of my salary. F you government.

Stop whining. Move to a state with lower taxes.

 

[Hacp]

That's a miserable effort. That all you got?

People get fat when they eat lots of simple sugars and starches. You complain that they are buying milk and fruit and vegetables, but those kinds of foods have nutritional value, not just empty calories.

No, people get fat when they eat too much. If you eat 5000 calories a day in fruits and vegetables every day, you'll still be net 3k calories or around 1 pound a day. Limit their calorie intake and you reduce their weight. You'll even save on health care costs when they lose a couple of pounds.

 

[Tab]

Heh. Hacp - a compassionate conservative.

 

[stateofbeasley]

No, people get fat when they eat too much. If you eat 5000 calories a day in fruits and vegetables every day, you'll still be net 3k calories or around 1 pound a day. Limit their calorie intake and you reduce their weight. You'll even save on health care costs when they lose a couple of pounds.

Fail. Try eating 5000 calories worth of fruits and vegetables... that's right, YOU CAN'T, not without exploding!

Calories per unit volume of fruits and vegetables is much lower than that of processed sugars and starches. Calories from fruits and vegetables keep you full longer. People eat less when they eat real food, not cheap processed crap.

Simple sugars = digested quickly, and then you are hungry again! Which leads to more eating and too many calories.

 

[Hacp]

Fail. Try eating 5000 calories worth of fruits and vegetables... that's right, YOU CAN'T, not without exploding!

Calories per unit volume of fruits and vegetables is much lower than that of processed sugars and starches. Calories from fruits and vegetables keep you full longer. People eat less when they eat real food, not cheap processed crap.

Simple sugars = digested quickly, and then you are hungry again! Which leads to more eating and too many calories.

Its called personal responsibility. Count your calories.

 

[Hacp]

Heh. Hacp - a compassionate conservative.

No, I'm a fiscal conservative. I don't care about any of the compassionate crap.