+1 for Liberty University!

John Connor

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/04/27/liberty-university-to-allow-handguns-in-dorms-next-fall.html

LYNCHBURG, Va. – Liberty University will allow students with concealed handgun permits from the state to keep their weapons in their dorms beginning next fall.
The News & Advance reports those students would need permission from the school first. The guns would be kept in safes inside the residence halls at the private Christian university.


This is the school I would like to attend. A common sense college without the PC bull shit. That's in stark contrast to many Liberalized BS colleges. And then I read this today: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016...s-youll-need-permit-for-that-at-nc-state.html
 
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lxskllr

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Wikipedia said:
In 2015, Forbes' list of America's Top Colleges ranked Liberty University 639 out of 650 rated colleges.[61] In 2012, with 48.2% graduation rate, Liberty University ranked among the private universities with the lowest graduation rates, though this statistic includes the nearly 100,000 online student population.[62]

Liberty University was ranked by U.S. News & World Report in several categories for 2015:

Regional Universities (South) - 80th
Best Colleges for Veterans - 37th
Best Online Bachelor's Programs - 79th
Best Online MBA Programs - 93rd
Best Online Graduate Business Programs (Excluding MBA) - 61st
Best Online Graduate Criminal Justice Programs - 18th
Best Online Graduate Education Programs - 112th
Best Online Graduate Nursing Programs - 56th[63]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_university

Prestigious...
 

sandorski

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Shit school, shit policy(this and other longstanding policies). Not surprised.
 

Blackjack200

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Liberty's Astronomy program is to die for.

Heyooh!

Don't forget to tip your waders.

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You know, I got to wonder. Is it due to a shit school or shit students? Is a graduation rate the fault of the school or the student?

Yes. <whynotboth.jpg>

Students mostly fail to graduate when they run out of money or flunk out. The flunking out may cause the running out of money, since that breaks your schedule. In most cases, people who attend 4-year private schools are not running out of money.

People may flunk out because they are dumb. But if they are dumb, the admissions department should have caught that and not let them in (unless the goal is to fleece as many rubes as possible and let them flunk out as long as they pay their bills with student loan money. Which is what the for-profits do. With their online-diploma degree mill bullshit. Oh, wait... Liberty does that.)

Faculty also definitely play a role - some teachers are just better than others. I've had a few of each kind, and it's definitely harder to pass a class when the professor isn't really able to communicate the who/what/when/where of the course content, which assignments are due when, what they need to include, etc.

The real grey area is with borderline students - when you accept a student with a mediocre essay and a 20 on the ACT, they can probably do this college thing if they work hard (not all of them do), but that's where your advising staff comes in - that student should be guided to different (DON'T SAY REMEDIAL) classes, a study skills class, etc., (and maybe even, although nobody says this out loud, guided away from certain majors, certain classes, and especially certain professors) and that doesn't always happen. So that kid flunks out, when their just-as-smart-and-hard-working counterpart with a different course load and different professors succeeds.

Then there's the paperwork side of things. I knew a lot of people who ended up one class short of graduation, or who "took a year off" because of some paperwork snafu - and an unfortunate number of those people never went back to finish. An aggressively competent advising and clerical staff who effectively badger kids into graduating on time can have a big positive effect on a school's grad rate.

tl;dr: students sometimes fuck up, but a school is mostly responsible for its grad rate, since it picks which students get to go there in the first place, and should filter out the rubes.
 
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zinfamous

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Liberty university--probably the first example of a pyramid scheme "educational institution" prior to the advent of online colleges, like U of Phoenix.
 

preslove

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Liberty university is a movement conservative fake college set up by Jerry Falwell to create culture warriors. The only thing it is good for is getting jobs in government when republicans have the white house. The Bush admin stocked the justice department, the iraqi occupation organizations, and other bureaucratic positions with liberty grads because they came from that piece of shit institution.
 
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John Connor

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Yes. <whynotboth.jpg>

Students mostly fail to graduate when they run out of money or flunk out. The flunking out may cause the running out of money, since that breaks your schedule. In most cases, people who attend 4-year private schools are not running out of money.

People may flunk out because they are dumb. But if they are dumb, the admissions department should have caught that and not let them in (unless the goal is to fleece as many rubes as possible and let them flunk out as long as they pay their bills with student loan money. Which is what the for-profits do. With their online-diploma degree mill bullshit. Oh, wait... Liberty does that.)

Faculty also definitely play a role - some teachers are just better than others. I've had a few of each kind, and it's definitely harder to pass a class when the professor isn't really able to communicate the who/what/when/where of the course content, which assignments are due when, what they need to include, etc.

The real grey area is with borderline students - when you accept a student with a mediocre essay and a 20 on the ACT, they can probably do this college thing if they work hard (not all of them do), but that's where your advising staff comes in - that student should be guided to different (DON'T SAY REMEDIAL) classes, a study skills class, etc., (and maybe even, although nobody says this out loud, guided away from certain majors, certain classes, and especially certain professors) and that doesn't always happen. So that kid flunks out, when their just-as-smart-and-hard-working counterpart with a different course load and different professors succeeds.

Then there's the paperwork side of things. I knew a lot of people who ended up one class short of graduation, or who "took a year off" because of some paperwork snafu - and an unfortunate number of those people never went back to finish. An aggressively competent advising and clerical staff who effectively badger kids into graduating on time can have a big positive effect on a school's grad rate.

tl;dr: students sometimes fuck up, but a school is mostly responsible for its grad rate, since it picks which students get to go there in the first place, and should filter out the rubes.


What you just wrote could be applied to any college.

The hell if I would waist thousands of dollars on a liberal campus when there are better educational institutions that I can surround myself with that fit into my personal cultural and political beliefs. I've been to liberalized schools and they suck!
 

zinfamous

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What you just wrote could be applied to any college.

The hell if I would waist thousands of dollars on a liberal campus when there are better educational institutions that I can surround myself with that fit into my personal cultural and political beliefs. I've been to liberalized schools and they suck!

The purpose of education is to challenge your perspective of the world, not reinforce pre-conceived biases.

If you are willingly being spoon-fed assertions about unchallenged assumptions you have held your entire life, then you are not being educated. period.

This goes both ways, obviously.

You also don't understand the meaning of "liberal education," which is essentially applied to the vast majority of classic American institutions...it is exactly as I described. A program that encourages you to question and challenge yourself. The modern conservative insurgency has perverted this description into one with a political leaning, and it isn't. it never was. Simple minds have been addled into thinking that "questioning authority" is "anti-american." Any student of history knows that this is stupid. Why be stupid?

Seriously: what it is the point of paying any amount of money to have some knuckleheads confirm that you were right all along? You can just continue to sit in your bunker, listen to your AM radio while you scratch yourself and record weird blackout videos and save that money.
 
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What you just wrote could be applied to any college.

Umm... duh? I thought your comment was kind of generalized, and I gave a generalized answer.

Getting grad rates up is a challenge for virtually all Universities. The exception being a few places like Harvard, with grad rates in the high 90s. Even then, Harvard probably is spending some resources trying to have (and keep) a higher grad rate than Yale.

The hell if I would waist thousands of dollars on a liberal campus when there are better educational institutions that I can surround myself with that fit into my personal cultural and political beliefs. I've been to liberalized schools and they suck!

"waste."

That's why.
 

IronWing

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I think you should submit this thread as your personal essay. There is a scholarship weighting for you.
 

Strk

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Basing your choice on school based on political ideology seems pretty asinine. From the sound of it, it is extremely expensive and mediocre. I wonder what kind of loans conservatives take to go there?