“Project 2025”: Conservative master plan to end democracy?

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MtnMan

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Hypothetical, but...

Trump failed in his first term because people with integrity and honored the oath to defend the Constitution were in place. Project 2025 is a clear set of instructions to change that on day #1
 
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MtnMan

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How do you deny Trump called injured and captured soldiers suckers and losers based on…

He dissed John McCain in public for being captured so it is within character.

He criticized a widow of a soldier so it is within character.

He dissed a gold star family in public so it is within character.

His former Chief of Staff admitted it happened

Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen Mark Milley said Trump complained about being placed next to a wounded vet.

How much more evidence do you need?? Does evidence mean ANYTHING to you? Do facts mean anything to you or is it all loyalty to Trump? Now all of those people are lying and we didn't see/hear what we all saw and heard?
I have to question why you waste your time on this orange shitberg. Just put him on ignore, as you are merely wasting electrons responding to him, he doesn't have the IQ points to be reached.
 

IronWing

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I've read a couple chapters now. It is mostly a litany of rightwing grievance culture memes backed by discredited bullshit from the Heritage Foundation. With bullshit, quantity has a quality all its own.

The fascists of the Federalist Society are a far bigger threat to our Republic than the lunatics at Heritage. The Federalist Society judges are the ones who are going to rubber stamp this crap.
 

VRAMdemon

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Trump is such a dumbfuck! .... I guess it helps bring it to a wider audience when Trump claims to be no part of it. "I never met that women before. I don't know who she is!". Same old same old lying denial from a 8 year old playbook. Trump wants to get rid of the Department of Education. I see why - It never did anything for him.

So, when does the Heritage Foundation become labeled a domestic terrorist organization?

I'm dumber reading this "project 2025 dumpster fire ... things I "learned"? ....

The deaths of the Covid Pandemic were cause by the lock downs and the Vaccine and had nothing to do with the virus.

Health care is best handled by the wonders of the free market without all that pesky government regulations or employer insurance. Hey ...being in the midst of having a heart attack is the perfect time to price shop! :rolleyes:

Lawmakers are much better than scientists at determining which studies are worthy of government funding, since (despite lack of ethics rules) they are less likely to be corrupted by corporate kickbacks than NIH workers (who have extensive and strict ethics rules).

It is vitally important that every state where abortion is legal carefully document any abortions in their state including, how old the fetus was, and how the procedure was done and where the victim came from so that they can be prosecuted when they get back home.

That the government owns the patents on products that their scientists invented on government time is a conflict of interest and proof of corruption. Ooookaaayyy! ... Who the fuck do they think should own such patents? I’m going to guess it’s not the government scientists themselves. Are they just going to ban the government from applying for patents? Are they going to auction them off? Wtf?

The government should not partner with private companies to develop lifesaving drugs.

Discrimination on the basis of sexual identity or orientation is not a real problem.

etc. etc .etc....

“They” think Project 2025 is great since the laws and mores they propose fit their particular God kink. It’s not good enough for them to have the freedom to practice THEIR religion in THEIR homes with THEIR families. No, they can’t stand to see anyone else have that same freedom.

Who wrote this shit Mike Lindell and Steve Bannon? Ah well ....What’s to worry about? It’s not like the right are publicly calling for the destruction of democracy in America, oh wait…
 

K1052

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I like the part of P2025 whey they basically blow up the VA and give what's left to the private sector to save money.
 

trenchfoot

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The Lincoln Project was nice enough to put a list of Trump connections with Project 2025, a thread


So I scrolled down that list of coupsters and damn, I don't know why it is, but to me they were all wearing brown uniforms, crucifixes on gold chains displayed proudly at the breast, with black armbands inscribed with a red circle in the background and a big black letter T on the fore, with their fingers extended, right arms slightly to the side and raised at the quarter degree, left hands casually gripping their belt buckles, heads at the tilt, chins stuck high up in the air. Can't figure that one out.
 

ch33zw1z

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changing some stuff is fine, but blowing it up but leaving people that have served and need the VA is not cool with me at all

Besides, this is just one of the many bad ideas in a long list of horrible or straight up anti American ideas on the P2025 list.
 

dank69

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[DHT]Osiris

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Maxima1

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Are you fucking serious? Like really, are you serious in your belief of anything here or is this just a really bad troll?
It's funny you're mad at what I say yet the rest of the workforce has an Afghanistan/Iraq casualty rate every 1.5 yrs and vastly more workplace injury events yet worker's comp is just a pittance in comparison to VA budget. PTSD generally gets you nothing outside of the military or a paltry temp payment for lost work (so it's actually net negative as worker comp generally just covers 1/3 to 2/3 wages) and depression obviously nothing.

What?!? Our resident race realist @Maxima1 consumes agitprop?
It's not, haha. Every veteran that wants it has a good shot at 100% combined rating on first try, but even if you fail, there is no finality to their claims. Even if they were seen and assigned a 10% or even 0% rating, they can turn that potentially into 100% and add secondaries. For ex, here for an upgrade on their original depression rating which is comically stupid to even cover for. Typically they throw several dumb things (migraines, GERD, etc. -- I know some go almost to 100 individual claims) along with depression/anxiety/adjustment disorder/PTSD for the separate mental health rating.

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K1052

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NYT article on what will happen if he wins


/so vets are the rights new 'welfare queens'?

As a rule when Americans routinely demand "change" odds are they aren't going to actually like it when it happens and they'll go "not like that" (see also: Afghanistan withdrawal). Take that to the 3rd power when the actual policy and its implementation is a total disaster as another Trump term promises. I mean if there is one thru line here it's Trump and crew's total lack of competency in execution and these guys are going to start a war with Mexico and build concentration camps? What could go wrong.
 

ch33zw1z

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It's funny you're mad at what I say yet the rest of the workforce has an Afghanistan/Iraq casualty rate every 1.5 yrs and vastly more workplace injury events yet worker's comp is just a pittance in comparison to VA budget. PTSD generally gets you nothing outside of the military or a paltry temp payment for lost work (so it's actually net negative as worker comp generally just covers 1/3 to 2/3 wages) and depression obviously nothing.


It's not, haha. Every veteran that wants it has a good shot at 100% combined rating on first try, but even if you fail, there is no finality to their claims. Even if they were seen and assigned a 10% or even 0% rating, they can turn that potentially into 100% and add secondaries. For ex, here for an upgrade on their original depression rating which is comically stupid to even cover for. Typically they throw several dumb things (migraines, GERD, etc. -- I know some go almost to 100 individual claims) along with depression/anxiety/adjustment disorder/PTSD for the separate mental health rating.

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As a lifelong migraine sufferer, I assure you this is not a “dumb thing”

If your argument is that we don’t do enough for non veterans, I agree
 
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brycejones

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It's funny you're mad at what I say yet the rest of the workforce has an Afghanistan/Iraq casualty rate every 1.5 yrs and vastly more workplace injury events yet worker's comp is just a pittance in comparison to VA budget.
And you think a Trump administration will do anything to improve that situation?
 

dank69

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That's because a bunch of people think change is a good thing, without ever looking at evidence to the contrary.
If a change turns out to be bad we can just change it back or change it to something different. People afraid of change have been holding back humanity for our entire history and you are no different.
 

Amused

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It's funny you're mad at what I say yet the rest of the workforce has an Afghanistan/Iraq casualty rate every 1.5 yrs and vastly more workplace injury events yet worker's comp is just a pittance in comparison to VA budget. PTSD generally gets you nothing outside of the military or a paltry temp payment for lost work (so it's actually net negative as worker comp generally just covers 1/3 to 2/3 wages) and depression obviously nothing.


It's not, haha. Every veteran that wants it has a good shot at 100% combined rating on first try, but even if you fail, there is no finality to their claims. Even if they were seen and assigned a 10% or even 0% rating, they can turn that potentially into 100% and add secondaries. For ex, here for an upgrade on their original depression rating which is comically stupid to even cover for. Typically they throw several dumb things (migraines, GERD, etc. -- I know some go almost to 100 individual claims) along with depression/anxiety/adjustment disorder/PTSD for the separate mental health rating.

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So it's come full circle. Now MAGA is attacking disabled veterans like they're unworthy welfare queens.

And surprise: Who is the defender of veterans and the military now? Democrats.

MAGA hypocrisy knows no bounds.

BTW, as a retired veteran, allow me to inform you that you have no fucking clue how difficult it is to get disability claims through much less ANYTHING with the VA. They've FINALLY just started getting better and now MAGA wants to fucking undo all of that.

To get 100% for PTSD requires multiple diagnoses from multiple VA doctors. It drags on for fucking years. So much so that many end in suicide before they're actually helped.

Not to mention every couple of years you're reevaluated by THEIR doctors and have to go through the whole fucking process again if denied or downgraded.

In short, fuck off. Assholes like you are indirectly responsible for EVERY FUCKING VETERAN SUICIDE.

Just like the assholes who wear "veterans before immigrants" t-shirts while voting for GQP assholes who cut VA funding at every chance they get.

Seriously. Just fuck off.
 

dank69

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It's funny you're mad at what I say yet the rest of the workforce has an Afghanistan/Iraq casualty rate every 1.5 yrs and vastly more workplace injury events yet worker's comp is just a pittance in comparison to VA budget. PTSD generally gets you nothing outside of the military or a paltry temp payment for lost work (so it's actually net negative as worker comp generally just covers 1/3 to 2/3 wages) and depression obviously nothing.


It's not, haha. Every veteran that wants it has a good shot at 100% combined rating on first try, but even if you fail, there is no finality to their claims. Even if they were seen and assigned a 10% or even 0% rating, they can turn that potentially into 100% and add secondaries. For ex, here for an upgrade on their original depression rating which is comically stupid to even cover for. Typically they throw several dumb things (migraines, GERD, etc. -- I know some go almost to 100 individual claims) along with depression/anxiety/adjustment disorder/PTSD for the separate mental health rating.

DUvBOMeUQAAG7kI
If the military gives a better deal for PTSD than the private sector, the solution isn't to make the military package equally shitty, the solution is to make the private sector package better. This is basic humanitarian stuff you piece of shit.
 
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K1052

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If a change turns out to be bad we can just change it back or change it to something different. People afraid of change have been holding back humanity for our entire history and you are no different.

In my experience voters seem skeptical of actual change on a scale that is proportional to the size and abruptness of said change. A lot of slower smaller adjustments create fewer ripples than a single big one. Trump out there promising stuff on the hydrogen bomb effect end of the scale which could have wildly unknowable consequences.
 
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