‘He will die in jail’: Intelligence community ready to ‘go nuclear’ on Trump, senior source says

[fskimospy]

I'd speculate the leakers action is their resultant view of inaction by the "official channels" Furthermore, if it isn't classified information, let it spill forth.

Exactly! They already went though the 'official channels' as the president knew for weeks and did nothing. If you tell someone that one of the highest national security officials in the country has potentially been compromised by a hostile foreign power what should responsible officials do, just throw their hands up and say 'well, we tried!'?

 

[Moonbeam]

We were fucked either way imo. But that said, what are these "obvious truths" you speak of...all I see in your post is you dancing with words such as "likely" and referencing the opinions of those with "reasoning capacity" who you no doubt perceive as like-minded. I'm full of questions as well...and speculation is not considered "obvious truth" the last time I checked.

But I'll try to keep an open mind here....please explicitly list these "obvious truths" and I'll promise to reconsider my opinion.

I refer to truths you know instinctively to be true. A simple example from recent memory would be the Time Magazine cover with Trump at the President's desk in a blizzard sand the caption being "nothing to see here". Every person of normal integrity and simple day to day political awareness recognizes instantly and instinctively the titanic con game Trump pushes as his desire for how he wants you to view reality. We can go deeper into the subject if the truth of this example escapes you.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I refer to truths you know instinctively to be true. A simple example from recent memory would be the Time Magazine cover with Trump at the President's desk in a blizzard sand the caption being "nothing to see here". Every person of normal integrity and simple day to day political awareness recognizes instantly and instinctively the titanic con game Trump pushes as his desire for how he wants you to view reality. We can go deeper into the subject if the truth of this example escapes you.

I guess I fail to see the actual con here...Trump is effectively doing everything he said he was going to do.

 

[brandonbull]

I guess I fail to see the actual con here...Trump is effectively doing everything he said he was going to do.

Maybe that's the con making people so butthurt? "No fair actually doing the things you said you would do." said the triggered snowflake.

 

[fskimospy]

I guess I fail to see the actual con here...Trump is effectively doing everything he said he was going to do.

The con is that he's said the results of his policies will make people's lives better, the working class in particular. Empirical research indicates the opposite is true, hence the con.

 

[Pens1566]

The con is that he's said the results of his policies will make people's lives better, the working class in particular. Empirical research indicates the opposite is true, hence the con.

For instance, that he's going to bring coal back. To WV. Where ~15k (most recent survey #s I can find) of the population is employed in the industry. Less than 1%. Pandering.

 

[zinfamous]

Whether the Russians should be treated as an ally, a neutral, or an enemy is a high-level strategic decision that needs to be made by elected officials, not career spooks. Trump's de facto position, as far as I can tell, is that Russia could be a useful partner in the fight against Islamic terrorism. You can agree or disagree with that, but it's the President's call to make. Only Congress, a co-equal branch of government, would have the right to stop him. Unelected bureaucrats only have two honorable choices: get in line, or resign. They are not independent policy-makers and have no right to override the President.

it's like....you aren't even paying attention to the issue here.

This isn't about some default president's policy with a foreign power.

 

[zinfamous]

Likely nothing will happen until there is a democratic majority in congress.

He cannot be removed from office by the NSA or CIA, unless they give the goahead on a JFK like event, which I do not see happening. So the only route to remove him from office and/or get him in jail is impeachment proceedings.

I do not see Republicans impeaching him unless there is really a groundswell of public support that puts their seats at risk.

...the CIA did not kill JFK, you numbnuts.

 

[zinfamous]

Like him or not, like his actions or not, Trump is the CIC. If the IC is really thinking of going "to war" with him, then it's time to start having a bunch of their members executed for treason. Apparently there is a lot of swamp that needs drained in the IC, which is not an easy thing to do.

No matter how bad you think Trump is, the concept that the spooks run the country and not the elected officials should be abhorrent to anyone who believes in anything resembling freedom.

Of course Trump is not smart to alienate the IC, he needs their support as much as possible, but gleefully delighting in the idea that the intelligence agencies can effectively get rid of the CIC says a lot about how much you value freedom versus just hating Trump.

nice wordplay you guys have going on. Now this is the IC attempting to run the country?

shit, where do you guys signup to get your daily folder of talking points delivered?

 

[momeNt]

...the CIA did not kill JFK, you numbnuts.

My post is somewhat ambiguous and could be interpreted as them just greenlighting a Trump assassination, or greenlight an assassination, like what they did with JFK. What I can tell you is that JFK was killed while in office, and that the CIA and FBI are very good at radicalizing people, look at the number of terrorists stings conducted.

 

[zinfamous]

We avoided the Nazi State once Clinton was defeated, and now seem to have to defeat the efforts of intelligence communities to overthrow our government.

you honestly watched Trump's RNC speech and didn't think you were watching a Nazi state in the making?

You failed history and just never gave a dick about critical thinking, right?

 

[zinfamous]

My post is somewhat ambiguous and could be interpreted as them just greenlighting a Trump assassination, or greenlight an assassination, like what they did with JFK. What I can tell you is that JFK was killed while in office, and that the CIA and FBI are very good at radicalizing people, look at the number of terrorists stings conducted.

The CIA was not involved in assassinating JFK, you numbnuts.

Oliver Stone is not a credible source of anything.

 

[Moonbeam]

I guess I fail to see the actual con here...Trump is effectively doing everything he said he was going to do.

Well the con I refer to with the Time cover is that Trump would have you believe that everything is fine with his Presidency when in fact his Presidency has produced a massive shit storm. Since he became President Google News is has been a litany of Trump related disasters. I believe it will only get worse and wind up wounding the country badly. Since I love my country I am morally outraged by the denial of reality that got him elected. I view the conservative brain defect as a threat to my nation. As a person with a moral compass I believe you can understand that. So do you get the con now, the pretense that in the middle of a shit storm the Trump folk are trying to pretend everything is coming up roses? Are you there yet?

 

[momeNt]

The CIA was not involved in assassinating JFK, you numbnuts.

Oliver Stone is not a credible source of anything.

I just said there was two ways to read my post, you chose to read it in a way that makes me incorrect, proving an inherent bias against my statements.

I haven't watched the movie.

 

[zinfamous]

Man, I've never seen a more triggered bunch of bed-wetters than the conservatives in this thread when confronted with their great orange leader's very very very very bad behavior.

 

[zinfamous]

I just said there was two ways to read my post, you chose to read it in a way that makes me incorrect, proving an inherent bias against my statements.

I haven't watched the movie.

I know I know...I was being more playful with the "numbnuts" thing.

it just irks me when I see that nonsense about JFK get splattered about all the time.

 

[IronWing]

I just said there was two ways to read my post, you chose to read it in a way that makes me incorrect, proving an inherent bias against my statements.

I haven't watched the movie.

You should, it's a good movie. Joe Pesci shoulda got an Oscar. John Candy done good too.

 

[momeNt]

I know I know...I was being more playful with the "numbnuts" thing.

it just irks me when I see that nonsense about JFK get splattered about all the time.

My nuts aren't numb, step on them and they hurt. Speaking of which, ball-busting or CBT in general would be worse than a pee pee tape if you ask me.

 

[zinfamous]

Something that conservatives aren't getting, here:

1) It's pretty thoroughly vetted and accepted that Russia was behind DNC and Clinton (and whoever else) campaign hacking
--none of that is controversial
2) The charges against the Trump campaign, and Trump, are that they colluded with Russian intelligence throughout the campaign, for a rather long time, in fact--just what and how they colluded, is the point of the investigation

Now, conservatives look at #2, forget about #1, and ask: "Well what law was broken? That was just Trump policy to be friendly!"

OK, let's ignore the treasonous aspects here and just ask a simple question: Do you hayseeds even remember what the fuck Watergate was about?

 

[NostaSeronx]

Do you hayseeds even remember what the fuck Watergate was about?

"Trump isn't a crook. He is a sex fiend and a star. He is famous, so he can get away with that." - Their Answer.

 

[momeNt]

Something that conservatives aren't getting, here:

1) It's pretty thoroughly vetted and accepted that Russia was behind DNC and Clinton (and whoever else) campaign hacking
--none of that is controversial
2) The charges against the Trump campaign, and Trump, are that they colluded with Russian intelligence throughout the campaign, for a rather long time, in fact--just what and how they colluded, is the point of the investigation

Now, conservatives look at #2, forget about #1, and ask: "Well what law was broken? That was just Trump policy to be friendly!"

OK, let's ignore the treasonous aspects here and just ask a simple question: Do you hayseeds even remember what the fuck Watergate was about?

Unless. The IC was behind the hacks and are being coordinated by an unknown power / group.

I say this because I cannot fathom why Comey would torpedo Hillary at the last minute if not to help Trump, and now every single intelligence agency is turning on Trump, a known commodity for the last 20+ years.

The only reason I can think of either Russia or the IC is to destabilize America. Both have motive for doing this it would seem.

 

[fskimospy]

Unless. The IC was behind the hacks and are being coordinated by an unknown power / group.

I say this because I cannot fathom why Comey would torpedo Hillary at the last minute if not to help Trump, and now every single intelligence agency is turning on Trump, a known commodity for the last 20+ years.

The only reason I can think of either Russia or the IC is to destabilize America. Both have motive for doing this it would seem.

Here's an easy answer: the IC doesn't act as a single entity and there are multiple factions in each. Isn't that far more likely than some Russian plant twirling his mustache?

I'm not at all convinced that Comey deliberately acted to torpedo Clinton either. I think he was simply under enormous pressure and made a stupid and unethical decision. He should be fired for that, but I don't see why that makes him a Russian mole or whatever.

 

[momeNt]

Here's an easy answer: the IC doesn't act as a single entity and there are multiple factions in each. Isn't that far more likely than some Russian plant twirling his mustache?

I'm not at all convinced that Comey deliberately acted to torpedo Clinton either. I think he was simply under enormous pressure and made a stupid and unethical decision. He should be fired for that, but I don't see why that makes him a Russian mole or whatever.

Still am not saying mole.

Is Russia that dumb to elect a guy with so much baggage he is going to be neutered before the first quarter of his first year? Bear in mind that apparently they are smart enough to have run an effective psy-ops campaign on the American voter base, but at the same time too stupid to realize that Trump would turn Washington into a complete shitshow and get nothing accomplished that benefits them?

Does destabilization help Russia? I'm sure there are ways that it does and specific goals that they can accomplish if that is the case. I can think of ways that destabilization helps the intelligence community, they get to have their Russian witchhunts and cherry pick candidates that will advance their power.

Here's another scenario. Say somebody in just ONE intelligence community was smart enough to hack the DNC and leave a bunch of Russian evidence (even if open source and available to anybody) and proxy an IP from Russia to conduct the hack, wouldn't ALL intelligence communities still believe the evidence pointed to Russia? Whatever motive Comey should fall under this operation as well.

The possibilities are endless. I'm not personally espousing any of these theories as I have no evidence. I'm just throwing alternates out there as is my duty as a skeptic. The one theory I have to discount is that Trump was in bed with the FBI before the election convinced them to torpedo Hillary, because them going "nuclear" on him so soon after the election after handing it to him makes absolutely no sense.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Unless. The IC was behind the hacks and are being coordinated by an unknown power / group.

Russian Oligarchy => RNC => Comey => Trump.

Hard focus on Putin, soft focus on Russia.

 

[zinfamous]

lol @ triggered lefty snowflake.

Your country? Newsflash, it ain't yours. It's all of ours, and that includes me. Don't like it, feel free to leave.

Good thing our country doesn't tolerate public square hangings, like you want to see, then.

You must feel so out of place. Tell me, have you considered living in Riyadh? I think you would find many like-minded persons there.