Zero Tolerance - Zero Intelligence

[ivwshane]

Not all is lost...this will teach him a valuable lesson about how progressives have shaped the world we live in. Live and learn.

That should be an easy lesson to learn in the ever so progressive town of Clarksville Tennessee! I'm sure the policy was put in place by the anti religious progressives that represent a majority of Clarksville residents!/s




Look out DSF! The progressives are coming!

 

[Harabec]

I don't get it. Who the fuck cares about a relatively small knife in a parked car? Was the guy shooting his classmates with an AR? No? Then...

Your policy makers need to go out and see the world more, I think.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

There are other conservative areas around Houston that have had stories of zero-tolerance stupidity, unfortunately. However, thankfully, our school district does not have this policy.

Locals don't vote on whether or not to establish zero tolerance policies per se....school boards do which are typically controlled by progressives who have been pushing for zero tolerance in our education system for a long, long time. Conservatives are typically not behind this particular flavor of insanity (for once).

Anyway, here's an interesting paper regarding our need to reform zero tolerance policies in our schools for those so inclined.

http://www.apa.org/pubs/info/reports/zero-tolerance.pdf

Are Zero Tolerance Policies Effective in the Schools?

The accumulated evidence points to a clear need for change in how zero tolerance policies are applied and toward the need for a set of alternative practices. These alternatives rely upon a more flexible and commonsense application of school discipline and on a set of prevention practices that have been validated in over 10 years of school violence research. Although further research is necessary to understand how best to implement such alternatives, current evidence clearly suggests that research-based prevention practices hold a great deal more promise than zero tolerance for reaching our shared goals of safe schools and productive learning environments. It is time to make the shifts in policy, practice, and research needed to implement policies that can keep schools safe and preserve the opportunity to learn for all students.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Look out DSF! The progressives are coming!

I'm fully aware of that...but thanks for the warning.

 

[smackababy]

A four inch fishing knife is not a weapon, it is a fishing knife.

Can I stab you with a fishing knife and cause grievous bodily harm? A fishing knife is a knife. It is considered a weapon by the schools. Do we allow students to have different kinds of knives because some "aren't weapons"? Does any kind of knife serve any reasonable activity a student would be expected to perform at school?

 

[Moonbeam]

If there was a knife and malicious intentions I'd be glad he was caught as well. And I'm not advocating that we "let him take the knife to school". Do you think his punishment was appropriate considering what we know now?

I think it was ridiculous. I just urge we try to understand both sides. I have a thread about a Culture of Fear but all I get in it are put downs. It's terrifying. Fear is hard to deal with. A dog can be trained to respond to a bell and a clock can run a bell that rings with machine regularity. An intelligent mind can understand how a clock works and set aside absurd trained fears.

 

[ivwshane]

Locals don't vote on whether or not to establish zero tolerance policies per se....school boards do which are typically controlled by progressives who have been pushing for zero tolerance in our education system for a long, long time. Conservatives are typically not behind this particular flavor of insanity (for once).

Anyway, here's an interesting paper regarding our need to reform zero tolerance policies in our schools for those so inclined.

http://www.apa.org/pubs/info/reports/zero-tolerance.pdf

Are Zero Tolerance Policies Effective in the Schools?

Booh! Those sneaky progressives and their dirty tactics of getting elected in republican leaning cities and states!

 

[MrPickins]

Not all is lost...this will teach him a valuable lesson about how progressives have shaped the world we live in. Live and learn.

Zero tolerance isn't about progressive or conservative politics. It's about liability and the school covering its own ass at the expense of the students.

 

[dainthomas]

Can I stab you with a fishing knife and cause grievous bodily harm? A fishing knife is a knife. It is considered a weapon by the schools. Do we allow students to have different kinds of knives because some "aren't weapons"? Does any kind of knife serve any reasonable activity a student would be expected to perform at school?

I can stab you with scissors and cause grievous bodily harm. Should we ban scissors, or only allow the plastic ones we give to kindergarteners?

 

[dmcowen674]

I don't get it. Who the fuck cares about a relatively small knife in a parked car? Was the guy shooting his classmates with an AR? No? Then...

Your policy makers need to go out and see the world more, I think.

Daughter gets Chatanooga News since so close by and this is all over the news.

Having a knife labels the kid as a Terrist.

 

[HumblePie]

I'll bite. It is far harder to carry a baseball bat into a bathroom and beat someone to death than it is to have a knife in my pocket and shank someone. I am also going to go out on a limb here and suggest that carrying around a bat is also prohibited in school, however, one would be allowed on school premises because (shocker!) a baseball hat has a function deemed appropriate for school (even if baseball is pretty boring). A knife has no function that would require a student to have one.

The outrage also isn't over the fact that a 4" knife is considered a weapon. It is that a boy was found one to have it in his car (and therefore, his possession). If only the outrage was the same every criminal found with an illegal item / substance who claimed it wasn't theirs! This doesn't even have to be a knife. It could be a gun. Would the outrage be the same? Even if it "wasn't his"?

Common sense should tell you the school has rules barring all weapons from school, a knife is a weapon, a student was found with a weapon in his car and is then suspended. I think 90 days a bit much for alternative school (a friend of mine in high school was found with a shotgun shell in his car and only got 60 days in alternative school, but this was in Texas).

LOL, a baseball bat is a worse weapon than a small fishing knife. When I was in highschool I have carried my bat around with me during a day for one reason or another. Other kids have carried knives as well around for various reasons BEYOND having them as a weapon. Want to know what important school function a knife serves? Ever heard of home economics class? Ever try preparing food without a knife? Finger nails don't exactly chop carrots very well. My school also had an AG farm. There was pruning classes that required knives. There was classes on how to castrate pigs that required, you guessed it, knives.

A knife locked in a car during the day is stupid. If the kid had the knife on him, that would a completely different story. But in the car? That's retarded for the reaction that was given by the school to that. Although I know of several "kickers" at high school that always carried a folder on them on school grounds. This was at a school that hard "zero tolerance" policies. My school reacted stupid on other issues that their zero tolerance policy covered though. Just the school wouldn't have reacted stupid like this school in this scenario.

 

[master_shake_]

wow, a fishing knife...

next thing you know they'll ban plastic forks in the cafeteria...

what'll they think of next.

 

[fskimospy]

LOL, a baseball bat is a worse weapon than a small fishing knife. When I was in highschool I have carried my bat around with me during a day for one reason or another. Other kids have carried knives as well around for various reasons BEYOND having them as a weapon. Want to know what important school function a knife serves? Ever heard of home economics class? Ever try preparing food without a knife? Finger nails don't exactly chop carrots very well. My school also had an AG farm. There was pruning classes that required knives. There was classes on how to castrate pigs that required, you guessed it, knives.

A knife locked in a car during the day is stupid. If the kid had the knife on him, that would a completely different story. But in the car? That's retarded for the reaction that was given by the school to that. Although I know of several "kickers" at high school that always carried a folder on them on school grounds. This was at a school that hard "zero tolerance" policies. My school reacted stupid on other issues that their zero tolerance policy covered though. Just the school wouldn't have reacted stupid like this school in this scenario.

I have never been to a "bring your own knife" Home Economics class. I have seen people bring their own sporting equipment.

 

[Newell Steamer]

There you go guys - a black teen with a weapon.

All he needs now is a hoodie, some skittles and invading your home (or rather, open your door to him when he knocks on it "asking" for directions); poof, you have enough material to work up your usual fervor over how you wish you were near this kid to teach him a lesson and how someone you once knew heard of a story where a kid like this (only 30 years older) was once sort of kind of invovled in a crime you heard about from your brother's wife's cousin's neighbors on how this sort of thing always happens and you should be prepared.

Oh, and throw in there how liberals have created this*.

* this, as in all of this. I mean everything & anything this.

 

[HumblePie]

I have never been to a "bring your own knife" Home Economics class. I have seen people bring their own sporting equipment.

Depends on the school, but usually you didn't have to. Just like if you were on the baseball team, you could use a team bat. But they didn't care if you had your own personal one. Home Ec classes you could use the school knives or my school didn't care if you brought your own. Not the general home ec class though. I will state that.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

There you go guys - a black teen with a weapon.

All he needs now is a hoodie, some skittles and invading your home (or rather, open your door to him when he knocks on it "asking" for directions); poof, you have enough material to work up your usual fervor over how you wish you were near this kid to teach him a lesson and how someone you once knew heard of a story where a kid like this (only 30 years older) was once sort of kind of invovled in a crime you heard about from your brother's wife's cousin's neighbors on how this sort of thing always happens and you should be prepared.

Oh, and throw in there how liberals have created this*.

* this, as in all of this. I mean everything & anything this.

Zero tolerance policies were broadly implemented in our school systems as a direct result of the Federal Gun-Free Schools Act of 1994 (which was part of the Improving America's Schools Act of 1994) as it was the first time our federal government explicitly involved itself in student discipline. So yes...one could reasonably argue that liberals did in fact create this mess.

http://www2.ed.gov/offices/OSDFS/gfsaguidance.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Improving_America's_Schools_Act_of_1994

http://jjlp.law.ucdavis.edu/archives/vol-9-no-2/02%20Hanson%20final.pdf

 

[Newell Steamer]

Zero tolerance policies were broadly implemented in our school systems as a direct result of the Federal Gun-Free Schools Act of 1994 as it was the first time our federal government explicitly involved itself in student discipline. So yes...one could argue that liberals create this mess.

http://jjlp.law.ucdavis.edu/archives/vol-9-no-2/02%20Hanson%20final.pdf

We want your wealth, guns, virgin white daughters and to bow down to our real masters as well - don't forget those either.

Oh, BTW, conservatives are doing a great job as well,.. even though Americans are switching to liberalism.

Oh, but wait,.. it's the crafty media that is controling/tricking these people. Not that conservatives are raving lunatics. And people are fed up with their insanity.

 

[bshole]

Zero tolerance policies were broadly implemented in our school systems as a direct result of the Federal Gun-Free Schools Act of 1994 as it was the first time our federal government explicitly involved itself in student discipline. So yes...one could argue that liberals create this mess.

http://jjlp.law.ucdavis.edu/archives/vol-9-no-2/02 Hanson final.pdf

True story. There was a girl at my son's school who called him all the time (very fucking weird IMHO). After weeks of this, my wife eventually told her not to call our house anymore. This was in the 4th grade. Anyhow, she brought a knive to school and was showing it around to the other kids. She was suspended and then the principal contacted the other parents (including us). We and ALL the other parents wanted her kicked out of the school for good. She was. I did not trust the little psycho and I have no regrets about her being booted. My kid's safety is pretty important to me. I like the fact that the other parents were given the ultimate authority to make the decision. In matters like this, it should be collaborative decision between educators and parents.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

We want your wealth, guns, virgin white daughters and to bow down to our real masters as well - don't forget those either.

Oh, BTW, conservatives are doing a great job as well,.. even though Americans are switching to liberalism.

Oh, but wait,.. it's the crafty media that is controling/tricking these people. Not that conservatives are raving lunatics. And people are fed up with their insanity.

That's quite an interesting response...now I can clearly see where you're coming from. Plenty of crazies on both sides of the fence...that's for sure.

 

[BoberFett]

Can I stab you with a fishing knife and cause grievous bodily harm? A fishing knife is a knife. It is considered a weapon by the schools. Do we allow students to have different kinds of knives because some "aren't weapons"? Does any kind of knife serve any reasonable activity a student would be expected to perform at school?

Did you know that students walk around school with deadly weapons everyday? In fact they're instructed to bring them to every class?

The horror!

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Did you know that students walk around school with deadly weapons everyday? In fact they're instructed to bring them to every class?

The horror!

Reminds me of this scene.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KX3OriDpgg

 

[fskimospy]

Zero tolerance policies were broadly implemented in our school systems as a direct result of the Federal Gun-Free Schools Act of 1994 (which was part of the Improving America's Schools Act of 1994) as it was the first time our federal government explicitly involved itself in student discipline. So yes...one could reasonably argue that liberals did in fact create this mess.

http://www2.ed.gov/offices/OSDFS/gfsaguidance.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Improving_America's_Schools_Act_of_1994

http://jjlp.law.ucdavis.edu/archives/vol-9-no-2/02%20Hanson%20final.pdf

You could, but in all fairness it passed with significant republican support. (Modest support in the house and overwhelming support in the senate)

Really though I find the only difference between liberals and conservatives to be what specific items they wish to irrationally punish.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

You could, but in all fairness it passed with significant republican support. (Modest support in the house and overwhelming support in the senate)

I would say very modest support in the House.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/103-1994/h95

Really though I find the only difference between liberals and conservatives to be what specific items they wish to irrationally punish.

I think both parties have their good and bad points. I'm not an Obama fan but he's on the right side of this particular issue imo.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown...ds-ending-zero-tolerance-policies-in-schools/

 

[classy]

This was an over reaction, hopefully cooler heads will prevail.

 

[Fern]

Can I stab you with a fishing knife and cause grievous bodily harm? A fishing knife is a knife. It is considered a weapon by the schools. Do we allow students to have different kinds of knives because some "aren't weapons"? Does any kind of knife serve any reasonable activity a student would be expected to perform at school?

How do students dissect frogs etc in biology class without a sharp knife of some sort?

I had shop class, we used knives (and many other tools that were far more dangerous).

Although I never took it, I'm pretty sure we had some sort of 'Home Ec" class where food prep was taught. It's hard to imagine food prep without a good sharp knife.

But I'm old and maybe things are different now. I carried a pocket knife with every day, even at school.

Fern