Question Zen 6 Speculation Thread

[adroc_thurston]

- $1k Zen 5 flagship prediction
- crash
- attempt #2

ASPs already up, buddy.
Lube up.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

LNL was!

Lunar Lake wasn't designed for gaming. If it was, its GPU tile wouldn't be smaller than the Compute Tile.


Regardless:

- You claimed Intel's iGPUs are, and I quote, terrible
- Intel's latest iGPU on a 128bit platform largely surpasses AMD's latest 128bit platform in gaming workloads, at ISO TDP.
- This advantage only widens when raytracing and ML-based upscalers are used.



Therefore, Intel's iGPUs aren't terrible. At least until Zen6 solutions with RDNA5 appear on the market which is probably a year from now, Intel has the best iGPU on a 128bit platform.


Zen5 APUs would have probably been quite decent had AMD chosen a narrower RDNA4 design and/or some amount of GPU LLC. Instead they went with lots of CUs that are constantly choked out of bandwidth and are Osborned because they can't use AMD's own latest ML-based upscaler.
Strix Point's performance upgrade over Phoenix / Hawk Point is rather embarrassing, and it's only AMD's fault.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Lunar Lake wasn't designed for gaming

Neither was Van Gogh.

 

[Hulk]

Okay, here is one of those rarer use cases where I could use more cores. Rendering two Vegas Pro projects simultaneously. Everything is pegged. With my previous rigs they didn't have the compute and stability to make this worth the risk and degradation in performance. This rig is good for it. If I had moar cores I'd probably start editing another project while these are rendering.

 

[OneEng2]

Okay, here is one of those rarer use cases where I could use more cores. Rendering two Vegas Pro projects simultaneously. Everything is pegged. With my previous rigs they didn't have the compute and stability to make this worth the risk and degradation in performance. This rig is good for it. If I had moar cores I'd probably start editing another project while these are rendering.
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Pretty pegged on memory bandwidth as well!

 

[Hulk]

Pretty pegged on memory bandwidth as well!

Stability on this rig has honestly been astounding. These simultaneous renders with Vegas Pro are a serious stress test and this thing rarely, I mean really rarely goes down. I used to be one of those people that just "thought" AMD systems were less stable than Intel. That is certainly a myth. I have found that overall system stability is much more than the processor, it's the entire build, from memory/timing, PS, motherboard, cooling, CPU setup, etc... everything has to be "in bounds."

 

[poke01]

Stability on this rig has honestly been astounding. These simultaneous renders with Vegas Pro are a serious stress test and this thing rarely, I mean really rarely goes down. I used to be one of those people that just "thought" AMD systems were less stable than Intel. That is certainly a myth. I have found that overall system stability is much more than the processor, it's the entire build, from memory/timing, PS, motherboard, cooling, CPU setup, etc... everything has to be "in bounds."

system stability is not a problem these days unless you own those i9s 13-14th gen raptors with old microcode

 

[Hulk]

system stability is not a problem these days unless you own those i9s 13-14th gen raptors with old microcode

Maybe, but if you visit some NLE forums you will notice quite a lot of stability problems from some people but not others. Oftentimes it is the computer that is fine in Word but not so much when getting hammered in the NLE. Especially quick transients from idle to full blast. Lots of systems fail in that scenario.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Keep in mind there is no dual-X3D product in his realm.

Remember that there are no bad predictions, just bad prices! Or uh something.

 

[Gideon]

Stability on this rig has honestly been astounding. These simultaneous renders with Vegas Pro are a serious stress test and this thing rarely, I mean really rarely goes down. I used to be one of those people that just "thought" AMD systems were less stable than Intel. That is certainly a myth. I have found that overall system stability is much more than the processor, it's the entire build, from memory/timing, PS, motherboard, cooling, CPU setup, etc... everything has to be "in bounds."

Ok now i totally get why you were not interested in undervolting + PBO. While usually quite stable (or at least"gamer stable"), I certainly wouldn't want my renders to fail for a potential 5- 10% perf gain. Nor debug some esoteric errors when the cause might be the undervolt

 

[511]

Stability on this rig has honestly been astounding. These simultaneous renders with Vegas Pro are a serious stress test and this thing rarely, I mean really rarely goes down. I used to be one of those people that just "thought" AMD systems were less stable than Intel. That is certainly a myth. I have found that overall system stability is much more than the processor, it's the entire build, from memory/timing, PS, motherboard, cooling, CPU setup, etc... everything has to be "in bounds."

Well than Stock is the way to go cause that things are usually validated even XMP/EXPO can cause issues

 

[LightningZ71]

I also think that a lot of people don't realize that their wall outlet power isn't exactly clean. Modern power supplies can do a lot to help with that, but they can only do so much...

 

[Thunder 57]

Remember that there are no bad predictions, just bad prices! Or uh something.

No bad products? That was always false. I hate seeing it quoted. Unrelated, has everyone seen the McDonalds CEO call their new burger a "product"? (I love this product!) Who speaks like that? Then proceeds to take the tiniest bite out of it.

I also think that a lot of people don't realize that their wall outlet power isn't exactly clean. Modern power supplies can do a lot to help with that, but they can only do so much...

If you aren't using a quality UPS you are doing it wrong.

 

[Hulk]

No bad products? That was always false. I hate seeing it quoted. Unrelated, has everyone seen the McDonalds CEO call their new burger a "product"? (I love this product!) Who speaks like that? Then proceeds to take the tiniest bite out of it.



If you aren't using a quality UPS you are doing it wrong.

You are right. I used to have one, then it died. The other day we had a 10 second power loss and I lost a lot of time on what i was working on. I need to get one that just runs the box for a few minutes.

 

[gdansk]

system stability is not a problem these days unless you own those i9s 13-14th gen raptors with old microcode

Early days with Arrow Lake were a bit crashy too, but they fixed it pretty quickly in my experience. Like not waking from sleep.

 

[OneEng2]

I think that in this day and age, the expectation is 100% stability from all suppliers. Anything less gets pretty bad press.

 

[Thunder 57]

You are right. I used to have one, then it died. The other day we had a 10 second power loss and I lost a lot of time on what i was working on. I need to get one that just runs the box for a few minutes.

I use an old APC UPS for my monitor and speakers. For my PC I use a Cyberpower 1500PFCLCD. It's stupid expensive like everything these days at $240 on Amazon. I got mine for $150.

I'd recommend getting a UPS where you can change the batteries as they die. Also it's worth it to get the higher amp hour batteries. Many are 7AH, the Cyberpower came with 8.5AH, and 9AH are available for a small price increase. I am all about clean power I guess.

 

[Hulk]

I use an old APC UPS for my monitor and speakers. For my PC I use a Cyberpower 1500PFCLCD. It's stupid expensive like everything these days at $240 on Amazon. I got mine for $150.

I'd recommend getting a UPS where you can change the batteries as they die. Also it's worth it to get the higher amp hour batteries. Many are 7AH, the Cyberpower came with 8.5AH, and 9AH are available for a small price increase. I am all about clean power I guess.

I have a solar system I built in my shed. Victron charge controller and inverter with a 100AHr batter adn a few panels. Works great after I installed a small resistive heater in an insulated battery with a $10 temp control from Amazon to get it dialed in to keep temps above 40F. It was a fun little project. Thinking of a home brew UPS with separate battery, charge controller, and inverter. But only if I can snag some great deal. One of those long term, put 'em in your Amazon cart and wait for price drop things.