Question Zen 6 Speculation Thread

[Hulk]

Both are quite important. For client, it is ST boost clock that disproportionately affects the performance.

Again, this was in reference to 285K and 9950X comparison where ST clocks are the same. They diverge as cores are loaded.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Interesting that the newer Intel CPUs (MTL, LNL, PTL, ARL) all have either same or lower clock speeds compared to years old ADL, RPL. While moving to better process nodes.

Way different design methodologies.
They don't have any excuse for being slower on N3 though.

It's possible, but it would be a historically bad.

Needing 1.21 gigavolts to hit 5.7 on N3 is also historically bad.

 

[inquiss]

Interesting that the newer Intel CPUs (MTL, LNL, PTL, ARL) all have either same or lower clock speeds compared to years old ADL, RPL. While moving to better process nodes.

Almost like the haven't yet got to grips with eeking out the best of external nodes because they're having to learn what other companies already know. Maybe they'll get better. Need to learn to be fast, fast though. AMD knows how to do this very very well.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Almost like the haven't yet got to grips with eeking out the best of external nodes because they're having to learn what other companies already know. Maybe they'll get better. Need to learn to be fast, fast though. AMD knows how to do this very very well.

everything pre-UC is garbage.
UC is a do or die moment, they gotta fix their logic/phys-des by UC or they're toast.

 

[Doug S]

Caching might drive performance with RAM at the ridiculous prices. Of course every reviewer has buttloads of RAM rather than accurate reflections of Joe Consumer.

Honestly that's kind of fair though. The people who are reading reviews are the enthusiasts who are not going to skimp on RAM. The people buying the 8 GB entry level laptops are not looking at reviews, they are looking at prices.

 

[Josh128]

When's the last time a new intel core lost 10%+ frequency iso-node?

Pentium 4 to Core / Core 2?

 

[OneEng2]

Pentium 4 to Core / Core 2?

Good call .

I personally don't feel that ARL architecture is as critically flawed as the entire design philosophy of Netburst though.

Still, your general assertion is correct. It is possible that NVL does more with less, and that this is a good thing all the way around. That is certainly how Core/Core 2 worked out.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Still, your general assertion is correct. It is possible that NVL does more with less, and that this is a good thing all the way around. That is certainly how Core/Core 2 worked out.

It's not about what they do, it's what they don't.
Intel is just incompetent at extracting speed from anything that looks like a normal foundry PDK.

 

[Hulk]

Some data from Techpowerup that I plotted to put some numbers to our discussion of frequency.