Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[DrMrLordX]

Just to note, all of the batches are Q3 (there is an "All Batches" link showing the whole list), with the first batch being "early Q3". And Q3 starts tomorrow.

Right, and it ends in September.

We'll find out for sure what the market dynamics are for Strix Halo mini PCs soon enough when we see how the scalper market shapes up. If demand is tepid, you'll see $1500 Strix Halo mini PCs all over the place. If not, expect them to be marked up significantly, just like the laptop models.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

That's laptops.

No. One laptop, one tablet.

No, mobile parts existed long before Llano.

Not with embedded GPUs, and AMD was pretty much non-existent in laptops before Llano.

That would be Very True if stxH had GT4e levels of design volume.
alas!

Sure looks like it.

Why are you so fixated on niche Strix Halo laptops when $1600+ Strix Halo mini PCs are going through presale right now and are apparently selling out?

Name one tech or product line that flourished from being in many low volume mini PCs.

So there's three possibilities:

1 - amd's laptop sales/pr/planning team sucks

2 - amd's laptop sales/pr/planning team does good job but the game is rigged, OEMs continue gutting AMD laptop designs for no clear reason

3 - all of the above

Probably option 3. Which doesn't make 1 any less true.

AMD won _all_ of the designs (that is, 100%) of x86 quadchannel notebooks. And did so at their first attempt. :-P

Not if you count dGPU memory channels. If you do, it's a terrible loser against all the designs with 128-256bit dGPUs.

 

[adroc_thurston]

No. One laptop, one tablet.

They're both laptops.

Not with embedded GPUs, and AMD was pretty much non-existent in laptops before Llano.

Semantics.
Llano slotted into MSNB.

Sure looks like it.

that's outright cope.

 

[poke01]

They're both laptops.

A computer with a detachable keyboard is called a tablet.

 

[adroc_thurston]

A computer with a detachable keyboard is called a tablet.

What the hell does that makes all Surface Books?

 

[poke01]

What the hell does that makes all Surface Books?

Tablets. They just have a metal keyboard, they are just a fancy Surface Pro. All the main components are behind the display.
Plus there is a reason why Surface Laptops exist, those are laptops

 

[adroc_thurston]

Tablets

no, it's a flavour of 2-in-1.
And so is Z13.

 

[MS_AT]

A computer with a detachable keyboard is called a tablet.

but if I put it on my lap, is it a laptop? I mean I had tablets to which I couldn't connect a keyboard, but now I have a smartphone to which I can, since it is a computer I think, then it would make it a tablet. And if I put it on my lap when doing so, it will become a laptop? Crazy world.

 

[poke01]

but if I put it on my lap, is it a laptop? I mean I had tablets to which I couldn't connect a keyboard, but now I have a smartphone to which I can, since it is a computer I think, then it would make it a tablet. And if I put it on my lap when doing so, it will become a laptop? Crazy world.

Nope, laptops have components like main board and SoC below the keyboard deck. Come on guys, this should be common knowledge by now

 

[adroc_thurston]

Nope, laptops have components like main board and SoC below the keyboard deck

ProArt Studiobook One exists.

 

[poke01]

A framework is a laptop, a MacBook is a laptop, a Surface laptop is a laptop, a Dell XPS
9930 is a laptop, a HP dragonfly G4 is a laptop.

A Surface Pro is a tablet, A Dell 7320 is a tablet, a ASUS Z13 flow is a tablet.

ProArt Studiobook One exists.

Cool that’s a hybrid.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Cool that’s a hybrid.

No, that's a laptop.

 

[poke01]

No, that's a laptop.

Because that computer has a fixed keyboard?

 

[poke01]

that ASUS design is very smart. Pretty much solves almost all issues with tablets and laptops. With the keyboard being fixed, it’s less wobbly and main board and battery behind the display makes it easy to use on the lap.

 

[adroc_thurston]

that ASUS design is very smart

No, it's expensive and pointless.

 

[fastandfurious6]

Halo thinkpad 18'' weighing 1kg the dream machine

with foldable OLED so it's ~12'' base just for keyboard mobo and 18'' OLED screen

 

[DrMrLordX]

Name one tech or product line that flourished from being in many low volume mini PCs.

Rockchip RK3588 (and variants)? It was also heavily-delayed, yet the thing wound up in Orange Pi boards and will have successors. And that was low margin too. It's unclear what the volume will be for Strix Halo, but if it sells out and sees massive aftermarket markups then it'll be hard to call it a failure.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

Rockchip RK3588 (and variants)? It was also heavily-delayed, yet the thing wound up in Orange Pi boards and will have successors. And that was low margin too. It's unclear what the volume will be for Strix Halo, but if it sells out and sees massive aftermarket markups then it'll be hard to call it a failure.

RK3588 became popular for RPi-like SBMs and IoT gadgets, mainly due to price. People don't really look at the RK3588 and think "what a nice miniPC I have here for my daily compute needs".

 

[DrMrLordX]

RK3588 became popular for RPi-like SBMs and IoT gadgets, mainly due to price. People don't really look at the RK3588 and think "what a nice miniPC I have here for my daily compute needs".

RK3588 is perfectly acceptable for a barebones non-gaming desktop PC, assuming you can run the software you want on it (which given that it's ARM, is not a given).

The point still stands. Let's not go any further down that rabbit hole before we start moving goalposts (and mixing metaphors).

 

[jpiniero]

Acer - Geekbench

Benchmark results for an Acer with an AMD Ryzen AI 5 330 w/ Radeon 820M processor.

browser.geekbench.com

Kraken with 1 big and 3 small coming.

 

[techjunkie123]

Acer - Geekbench

Benchmark results for an Acer with an AMD Ryzen AI 5 330 w/ Radeon 820M processor.

browser.geekbench.com

Kraken with 1 big and 3 small coming.

Is that the rumored Samsung node chip? Sonoma Point?

Single core results are low. I guess maybe clock speeds are much lower than TSMC.

 

[LightningZ71]

VideoCardz speculated that Kraken Point 2 is 2+4 with 2 CUs (recovery bins will be 1+3/2). That would cut about a 1/3rd off of normal Kraken Point. No word on if it keeps the NPU...

 

[fastandfurious6]

what's the point of tiny kraken when you get used phoenix full 8core machine for 500 bucks 😭

 

[LightningZ71]

Why sell Phoenix for such a low cost when you can dis continue it and sell Kraken 2 for just as much ASP but a lower COGS?

 

[Abwx]

what's the point of tiny kraken when you get used phoenix full 8core machine for 500 bucks 😭

Where are those 500$ 8C PHX.?.
At this price you wont even find a 6C PHX2.

That s PHX/PHX2 offerings in Germany wich is the most competitive european market, all prices have 19% VAT included.

Notebooks mit Codename AMD: Phoenix Preisvergleich Geizhals Deutschland

Preisvergleich und Bewertungen für Notebooks mit Codename AMD: Phoenix

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