Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[StefanR5R]

Copying this here for reference:

Apparently, this is Turin-Dense:

 

[Racan]

 

[jpiniero]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-preparing-ryzen-9000g-gorgon-point-and-epyc-4005-grado-for-am5-socket

Claim that the Strix Point refresh called Gorgon Point will be coming to AM5.

 

[LightningZ71]

I wonder if they are spinning a silicon version from the initial plans that didn't have an NPU, but did have a MALL cache instead? That would be... interesting.

 

[jpiniero]

I wonder if they are spinning a silicon version from the initial plans that didn't have an NPU, but did have a MALL cache instead? That would be... interesting.

Unlikely. If anything, I could see the AM5 products be where they dump the busted NPU dies.

 

[Joe NYC]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-preparing-ryzen-9000g-gorgon-point-and-epyc-4005-grado-for-am5-socket

Claim that the Strix Point refresh called Gorgon Point will be coming to AM5.

If you look through the Dell web site of the commercial desktop, and their new AMD offerings, those are Phoenix AM5 APUs.

With a Gorgon Point, these same commercial desktops become CoPilot+ compatible.

 

[fastandfurious6]

copilot pcs and rebranding..... Waste of everyone's money and time. Dell takes the cake lol

 

[Markfw]

copilot pcs and rebranding..... Waste of everyone's money and time. Dell takes the cake lol

With Dell's recent huge loses most likely due to sticking with Intel exclusively for many years, it's no surprise anything they do.

 

[jpiniero]

https://videocardz.com/press-release/amd-launches-epyc-4005-grado-am5-enterprise-cpus-featruing-6-to-16-zen5-cores

AMD launching Zen 5 Epyc on AM5. MSRP isn't too bad either.

 

[Win2012R2]

What a missed opportunity to do dual chiplet 3D cache

 

[gdansk]

What a missed opportunity to do dual chiplet 3D cache

There is still plenty of time before Zen 6 launches. They could even launch it after Zen 6. But based on AMD's earlier comments it seems they find the configuration questionable.

 

[StefanR5R]

EPYC 4005 was launched yesterday.
Compared to EPYC 4004,
– there are no 4c, 8c-105W, and 12c-X3D models anymore,
– a 16c-65W model was added,
– TDP of the 16c-X3D top dog was bumped from 120W to 170W.
The 16c-X3D model is still heterogeneous, like its Ryzen counterpart.

https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/server/epyc/4005-series.html
https://www.amd.com/en/newsroom/pre...ls-epyc-4005-series-processors-deliverin.html

Article with AMD's slide set:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/13/amd_epyc_4005/

 

[jpiniero]

AMD EPYC 4565P & EPYC 4585PX Benchmarks Against Xeon 6369P: EPYC 4005 Champions Entry-Level Server Performance Review - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

Unsurprisingly the 16 Core models are a lot faster than the top Raptor Lake Xeon... since the Cinebench Accelerators wouldn't really work there.

 

[fastandfurious6]

😂 love the term Cinebench Accelerators

 

[StefanR5R]

AMD EPYC 4565P & EPYC 4585PX Benchmarks Against Xeon 6369P: EPYC 4005 Champions Entry-Level Server Performance Review - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

Unsurprisingly the 16 Core models are a lot faster than the top Raptor Lake Xeon... since the Cinebench Accelerators wouldn't really work there.

They are not merely "not really working there", they are altogether disabled by Intel in Xeons. (Always have been, in all small-socket Xeon generations since Intel put heterogeneous cores into the corresponding laptop CPUs.)

 

[Abwx]

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Nice one, also the AI 350 has same MT perf at 15W than a LNL boosted at roughly 32W.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Brilliant-1-100-nit-OLED-but-unexpected-quality-issues-Lenovo-Yoga-Slim-7-14-G10-review.1017693.0.html

 

[igor_kavinski]

Nice one, also the AI 350 has same MT perf at 15W than a LNL boosted at roughly 32W.

Wow. Bye bye Looney Lake!

 

[adroc_thurston]

Wow. Bye bye Looney Lake!

Oh no LNL is still a whole bunch more efficient for actually doing laptop stuff.

 

[Abwx]

Oh no LNL is still a whole bunch more efficient for actually doing laptop stuff.

As long as it s not loaded, that is, if you just use it as a e-reader, otherwise once it s loaded with more than a single core it will drain 30W.

 

[adroc_thurston]

As long as it s not loaded, that is, if you just use it as a e-reader, otherwise once it s loaded with more than a single core it will drain 30W.

It's not gonna draw this much platform power on average. Boosts are very transient in normal use.
Also LNL 1t power is 12-15W iirc.

 

[Abwx]

It's not gonna draw this much platform power on average. Boosts are very transient in normal use.
Also LNL 1t power is 12-15W iirc.

Even a browser like Firefox is multithreaded since ages, there s no more purely ST real tasks, so even with transients there will be several cores loaded.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Even a browser like Firefox is multithreaded since ages, there s no more purely ST real tasks, so even with transients there will be several cores loaded.

Very true.

Spoiler

This is idle activity on my main laptop. Just tons of browser tabs in Chrome, Firefox and Brave.

 

[adroc_thurston]

Even a browser like Firefox is multithreaded since ages

Again, it's a transient workload.

so even with transients there will be several cores loaded.

Then you're not hitting 1t power at all. Next.

 

[Abwx]

Again, it's a transient workload.

Then you're not hitting 1t power at all. Next.

You re hitting 100% on several cores when just downloading a page with a 100-300Mb internet connection, so a transient but at full 30W on such a laptop.

 

[adroc_thurston]

You re hitting 100% on several cores when just downloading a page with a 100-300Mb internet connection

Not really, no, lmao.

so a transient but at full 30W on such a laptop.

You're not doing full 30W there over the full workload and most LNL SKUs are 17W anyhow.

Crikey, why do *I* have to defend Intel in a Z5 thread of all places.