Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[Abwx]

Ha yes that's so obvious, I had never thought of that 😅 /s

You didn't address anything at all about my post.

I did, it s just that you re sticking to your point or lack of.

As a gamer, I don't care how a new CPU performs at 720p/1080p on a 4090. I want to know how it will perform at resolution most gamers now play with a GPU that doesn't cost three times more than the CPU.

There s rarely reviews of CPU perfs with mainstream cards, you should complain to the reviewers.

As a CPU designer and as a user of purely CPU bound software, I want to know how a new CPU performs on benchmarks that don't involve GPU or any other unrelated piece of hardware (NPU, etc.). I want deep analysis from a knowledgeable person, not some trash data dumped by a clown doing videos.

I wouldn't care about these 720p/1080p results with a $2k GPU if reviewers also spent time trying to understand their results. My feeling is that most of them just pile up results and are not able to analyze and understand what they get.

I once did adress this point, one more time the fault is on the reviewers who never test realistic set ups, FI they test mainstream CPUs with the most expensive GPU, wich is a case that do not exist in real life, and likewise they test mainstream GPUs with the faster CPU, wich is also a case that barely exist in real set ups of consumers.

So for the time we ll have to be content with AMD s 7900XTX based numbers wich are surely at 1080p, there s a computerbase review, at 720p, with numbers from this GPU in function of the CPU.

Ryzen 9 7950X3D im Test gegen 5800X3D und 13900K(S)

Zen 4 3D ist da. Im Test erweist sich AMDs Ryzen 9 7950X3D gegen 7950X, 5800X3D und Core i9-13900K(S) als schnell und effizient.

www.computerbase.de

 

[Abwx]

Interestingly enough, HUB just uploaded a Video basically comparing the RAM they (amd AMD) test with, with the one CB tests with on an 7700X. With 6000 EXPO, 7700X is a whopping 12% faster. Doesn't look good for 9700X, right?

Oh and why can't I put Screenshots directly in my comments?

I dont see any 5800X3D in this pic, beside if you had paid attention AMD gave two numbers for perf/clock in games, namely Farcry with 10% better perf/clock and Lol with 21%, the average is 15% and close to 3DMark CPU s 13%, i would look more at this kind of numbers than at hasardous comparisons where the reference, the 5800X3D, is missing in the charts.

Ryzen 9000/AI 300: Details zu Zen 5, RDNA 3.5, Zen 6(c) & Zen 7

Ryzen 9000 kommt am 31. Juli. Schon heute gibt es weitere technische Details zu den Desktop-CPUs und Ryzen AI 300 Strix Point für Notebooks.

www.computerbase.de

 

[FlameTail]

You’re a CPU designer?

He won't which company he designs CPUs at , though I have some good guesses...

 

[Thunder 57]

Interestingly enough, HUB just uploaded a Video basically comparing the RAM they (amd AMD) test with, with the one CB tests with on an 7700X. With 6000 EXPO, 7700X is a whopping 12% faster. Doesn't look good for 9700X, right?

Oh and why can't I put Screenshots directly in my comments?

I'm not sure what you are trying to say when you say CB then link a screenshot showing game averages. "something something Zen 5 bad", maybe?

 

[tsamolotoff]

GPU on stupidly low resolutions is of no use to me.

Testing at random JEDEC specs is even less useful, CB tests are just pure garbage from practical point of view. No one sane uses these settings

7700X to be around 8% faster than 5800X3D

Depending on the games tested, it can be from 15% slower to 50% faster, it's absolutely impossible to gauge a new CPU performance from median / average values, you can only do that on per-game basis (and currently there is only data for the games that AMD picked for their Computex keynote).

 

[Josh128]

Performance is exactly what amd has advertised minus a few percent.

lol, what does that even mean? Im still saying the betting line should be ~+10% faster in gaming, SKU vs SKU, not necessarily clock for clock, vs Zen 4. I really believe the Zen 5 core is capable of more, but zero improvements in memory speed vs Zen 4 will definitely hold it back.

So, ~10% better than vanilla Zen 4, 5%-8% slower than Zen 4 X3D on average. This is a big reason why I think AMD should (and likely will) price Zen 5 more competitively at launch than Zen 4.

 

[Goop_reformed]

lol, what does that even mean? Im still saying the betting line should be ~+10% faster in gaming, SKU vs SKU, not necessarily clock for clock, vs Zen 4. I really believe the Zen 5 core is capable of more, but zero improvements in memory speed vs Zen 4 will definitely hold it back.

So, ~10% better than vanilla Zen 4, 5%-8% slower than Zen 4 X3D on average. This is a big reason why I think AMD should (and likely will) price Zen 5 more competitively at launch than Zen 4.

No need to guess:

From WCCF tech

 

[Philste]

I'm not sure what you are trying to say when you say CB then link a screenshot showing game averages.

Oh sorry, I will edit it. CB=Computerbase. Didn't even think about Cinebench at the moment I wrote it.

 

[Josh128]

Anybody see this? Just posted up, no idea how legitimate it is.

AMD Ryzen 9 9900X Early Gaming Tests Leaked By YouTuber, Slightly Behind Ryzen 7 7800X3D, Lower Power & Temperatures

The first gaming performance tests of AMD's Ryzen 9 9900X "Zen 5" Desktop CPU seem to have been leaked by an Italian YouTuber.

wccftech.com

 

[Thunder 57]

Oh sorry, I will edit it. CB=Computerbase. Didn't even think about Cinebench at the moment I wrote it.

Thanks, makes more sense.

 

[Geddagod]

1080p ultra/competetive, average fps, 7800x3d %faster than 9900x, anything within 3% is a tie:
Alan wake 2: tie
Total War: tie
City Skylines 2: +24%
COD warzone: tie
CSGO 2: +8%
Cyberpunk: +16%
Fortnite: +16%
Starfield: tie
The Last of us P1: +18%

 

[leoneazzurro]

Anybody see this? Just posted up, no idea how legitimate it is.

AMD Ryzen 9 9900X Early Gaming Tests Leaked By YouTuber, Slightly Behind Ryzen 7 7800X3D, Lower Power & Temperatures

The first gaming performance tests of AMD's Ryzen 9 9900X "Zen 5" Desktop CPU seem to have been leaked by an Italian YouTuber.

wccftech.com

It is linked in the previous page. A thing he said that he had some troubles with the BIOS and setting the correct IF speed, so he had to set it manually. In any case, there is no comparison to the 7900X - only to the 7800X3D. And I think it was clear that the 3D chip - especially with a single CCD - would have been better at gaming. Also some strange results, i.e. Fortnite @1080p is practically the same score as @1440p for the 9900X - a bit strange.
EDIT: the RAM speed was set to 7200 for both CPUs

 

[Philste]

Anybody see this? Just posted up, no idea how legitimate it is.

I mean I got about 8-9% lead for 7800X3D with these tests. That would match the "12% faster than 5800X3D" claim. So I would say yeah, seems to be legit. Now you can argue if the numbers are good or not. I would say they are close to horrible.

But what do the guys at WTFTech smoke to write "lower power" in the headline? 102W average is way above 7800X3D. However, it's the 12 Core so it's sameish to 7900X. Still looks like a gen to skip. If they can't get 3D to clock with normal clocks, they only will have like a 10% lead over ZEN4X3D. Probably not enough to convince the majority to upgrade.

 

[Goop_reformed]

1080p ultra/competetive, average fps, 7800x3d %faster than 9900x, anything within 3% is a tie:
Alan wake 2: tie
Total War: tie
City Skylines 2: +24%
COD warzone: tie
CSGO 2: +8%
Cyberpunk: +16%
Fortnite: +16%
Starfield: tie
The Last of us P1: +18%

You are looking at it wrong. Starfield and Total War are what important here.

 

[Markfw]

The retail CPUs and reviews are not even out yet, and all this arguing about Zen 5 gaming performance ? Insanity....

 

[ShimmerBlade]

EDIT: the RAM speed was set to 7200 for both CPUs

Isn't that 2:1 mode? Strange to test them in this mode...

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

Isn't that 2:1 mode? Strange to test them in this mode...

Yeah, that would unduly handicap the 9900X. It should be run at 8000 2:1 or 6000-6400 1:1

 

[leoneazzurro]

I mean I got about 8-9% lead for 7800X3D with these tests. That would match the "12% faster than 5800X3D" claim. So I would say yeah, seems to be legit. Now you can argue if the numbers are good or not. I would say they are close to horrible.

But what do the guys at WTFTech smoke to write "lower power" in the headline? 102W average is way above 7800X3D. However, it's the 12 Core so it's sameish to 7900X. Still looks like a gen to skip. If they can't get 3D to clock with normal clocks, they only will have like a 10% lead over ZEN4X3D. Probably not enough to convince the majority to upgrade.

Horrible? The 9900X is clearly not the best choice for the gaming, but this was clear even before the launch, just as the 7900X is not the best choice for the gaming. But in every other aspect it will wipe the floor with the 7800X3D. The review is unfortunately missing quite a lot, like any comparison to the 7900X and to the Intel CPUs.

 

[Geddagod]

You are looking at it wrong. Starfield and Total War are what important here.

What?

 

[Geddagod]

The retail CPUs and reviews are not even out yet, and all this arguing about Zen 5 gaming performance ? Insanity....

Wow, people speculating in a speculation thread? Insanity....

I mean I got about 8-9% lead for 7800X3D with these tests. That would match the "12% faster than 5800X3D" claim. So I would say yeah, seems to be legit. Now you can argue if the numbers are good or not. I would say they are close to horrible.

But what do the guys at WTFTech smoke to write "lower power" in the headline? 102W average is way above 7800X3D. However, it's the 12 Core so it's sameish to 7900X. Still looks like a gen to skip. If they can't get 3D to clock with normal clocks, they only will have like a 10% lead over ZEN4X3D. Probably not enough to convince the majority to upgrade.

Maybe MT applications fare better. Otherwise, this would be a hilarious launch.

 

[tsamolotoff]

Anybody see this? Just posted up, no idea how legitimate it is.

AMD Ryzen 9 9900X Early Gaming Tests Leaked By YouTuber, Slightly Behind Ryzen 7 7800X3D, Lower Power & Temperatures

The first gaming performance tests of AMD's Ryzen 9 9900X "Zen 5" Desktop CPU seem to have been leaked by an Italian YouTuber.

wccftech.com

Looks like GPU bottleneck in most of the tests

 

[Goop_reformed]

What?

The total war games eat cpus for breakast.

 

[leoneazzurro]

Isn't that 2:1 mode? Strange to test them in this mode...

It is what he said.

 

[inf64]

It's not ideal to compare 2CCD chip with buggy BIOS (as per his own admission) versus the best gaming chip on the market. It would have been great if he could have used at least 9700X in the comparison.

 

[tsamolotoff]

CSGO 2: +8%

Zen4 is like 30% slower than x3d in cs2, fyi, My own personal tests, done by locking the game to one or another CCD

Spoiler

x3d
29-09-2023, 21:20:29 cs2.exe benchmark completed, 56597 frames rendered in 72.796 s
Average framerate : 777.4 FPS
Minimum framerate : 647.1 FPS
Maximum framerate : 928.7 FPS
1% low framerate : 254.0 FPS
0.1% low framerate : 197.7 FPS
ccd1
29-09-2023, 21:22:08 cs2.exe benchmark completed, 42766 frames rendered in 69.109 s
Average framerate : 618.8 FPS
Minimum framerate : 324.9 FPS
Maximum framerate : 817.8 FPS
1% low framerate : 161.2 FPS
0.1% low framerate : 10.2 FPS
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