Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[Abwx]

The simple average of those results is 36.75%

I would reduce the tests set at 33% in MT FP because of Vray and 28% in MT INT according to 7 ZIP, this should corner the global improvement quite accurately, so 30% on average for MT perf excluding games.

 

[adroc_thurston]

so 30% on average for MT perf excluding games.

A higher but yes.
The relevant part is, again, front-end bound stuff.

 

[coercitiv]

The simple average of those results is 36.75%

Nothing is simple anymore, haven't you heard SPEC numbers can be outliers?

 

[Kaffeekenan]

Yeah but those aren't really relevant workloads for the most part.
Needs JS numbers.

Hm...is JS used by many programms? I have no idea tbh...

 

[adroc_thurston]

haven't you heard SPEC numbers can be outliers?

Libquantum is long gone so no.

Hm...is JS used by many programms?

You used it right now by poasting that.

 

[Kaffeekenan]

Libquantum is long gone so no.

You used it right now by poasting that.

lol okay... xD Thanks!

 

[yuri69]

Hm...is JS used by many programms? I have no idea tbh...

Sadly, JS has been the daily driver for like 90+% of *standard* workloads.

* browsers - ranging from Anandtech formus, FB chat, YT videos, Google Docs, or even fully embedded VSCode IDE or Excel
* Electron-based apps - Slack, Teams, or Discord IMs; next-gen Outlook; VSCode or Sublime IDEs
* Node.js-based backends

 

[Timorous]

Libquantum is long gone so no.

@coercitiv was being sarcastic.

 

[PJVol]

Needs translation:
Fortnite 7%
Passmark 11%
R23 1T 20%
7-Zip 28%
V-Ray CPU 33%
Metro Exodus 38%
Dolphin Bench 71%
WPrime 86%
Avg 3?%.

So this is a perf. increase over Zen 4, not an IPC increase? (keeping in mind the rumoured clocks being + ~3-4% )

 

[CouncilorIrissa]

So this is a perf. increase over Zen 4, not an IPC increase?

It's iso/clk, so an IPC increase apparently. The following tweet appears to suggest so.

 

[PJVol]

Sadly, JS has been the daily driver for like 90+% of *standard* workloads

Unlikely it's 90%. Surely for some JS accounts for a large share, but in my case it’s 10-20% at most, the rest is gaming, JRT, native (QT Creator), etc.

 

[PJVol]

an IPC increase apparently. The following tweet appears to suggest so.

Well, either way, the clock difference is not as big as with the previous gens (maybe this is what was meant by “Avg 3?%” ?)

 

[yuri69]

Unlikely it's 90%. Surely for some JS accounts for a large share, but in my case it’s 10-20% at most, the rest is gaming, JRT, native (QT Creator), etc.

Try to think out of your power-user bubble.

Think about the average PC workload. The wast majority of PCs is used for office work. These days it usually means interacting with one or more webapps in a browser. Plus Electron(-ish) Teams/Outlook if the corp goes the MS way.

 

[adroc_thurston]

The wast majority of PCs is used for office work. These days it usually means interacting with one or more webapps in a browser. Plus Electron(-ish) Teams/Outlook if the corp goes the MS way.

bingo!
Javascript is absolutely everywhere and while that's horrible, it's just a fact of life.

 

[inf64]

Well, either way, the clock difference is not as big as with the previous gens (maybe this is what was meant by “Avg 3?%” ?)

No, the poster was implying the average IPC is 3x% ( meaning between 30 and 39%). Clocks seem to be roughly the same or a slightly higher for ST with Zen 5. Overall it looks like a total pwnage.

 

[adroc_thurston]

No, the poster was implying the average IPC is 3x% ( meaning between 30 and 39%)

Yea.

Overall it looks like a total pwnage

It's really evil, moreso in mobile.

 

[Ghostsonplanets]

I really can't wait for AMD to disclose Zen 5. If the rumors are true, it seems AMD will sit on a throne looking from the top of the world. Very nice feeling to see such jump Gen over Gen in the x86 world again.

Granted, the margins play that Adroc has been drumming since ever mean that systems aimed at folks with lower budgets will only be able to taste Zen 5 a few generations from now? I get why AMD would position Z5 as a premium thing. But it's worrying that they're simply conceding the budget laptop market to RPL 282 (And MTL 241 in the future). I want competition😁

 

[adroc_thurston]

systems aimed at folks with lower budgets will only be able to taste Zen 5 a few generations from now?

That's mainstream laptop and they're getting KRK1+chop early next year.

But it's worrying that they're simply conceding the budget laptop market to RPL 282

They are not.
Not anymore at least.

 

[Joe NYC]

No, the poster was implying the average IPC is 3x% ( meaning between 30 and 39%). Clocks seem to be roughly the same or a slightly higher for ST with Zen 5. Overall it looks like a total pwnage.

The one app dragging down the average (Fortnite) is heavily GPU limited.

 

[Ghostsonplanets]

That's mainstream laptop and they're getting KRK1+chop early next year.

They are not.
Not anymore at least.

I assume KRK 1 is Kraken (Point?). So 8C Z5(C?) + RDNA 3.5 GFX IP? If so, that's really nice for mainstream laptop. Will absolutely shredd with RPL 282.

 

[adroc_thurston]

I assume KRK 1 is Kraken (Point?)

Yea.

So 8C Z5(C?) + RDNA 3.5 GFX IP?

4+4. Chop is 2+4.

RDNA 3.5 GFX IP

Yeah 8 CUs.
And a full AIE because le AIPC maymay.

Will absolutely shredd with RPL 282.

RPL 282 is still a far cheaper option but not compelling in 2025 at all.

 

[PJVol]

Think about the average PC workload. The wast majority of PCs is used for office work. These days it usually means interacting with one or more webapps in a browser. Plus Electron(-ish) Teams/Outlook if the corp goes the MS way.

Without disputing the distribution by type of PC use in the consumer segment, it is worth noting that for those you mentioned, even Zen4 is too much.

 

[adroc_thurston]

it is worth noting that for those you mentioned, even Zen4 is too much.

Ehhh, making MS teams even remotely snappy is the end goal.

 

[Timorous]

Ehhh, making MS teams even remotely snappy is the end goal.

Maybe zen 7 or 8 will manage it but I suspect by then MS will be able to bloat it out some more so it still runs like ass.

 

[CouncilorIrissa]

Ehhh, making MS teams even remotely snappy is the end goal.

Not really a feasible goal, eh.