Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

[DisEnchantment]

Speculate at will

 

[Glo.]

Heh. So Apple M Max chips are also "Mobile Threadrippers"

Indeed.

 

[S'renne]

Not sure how high It will be priced, but ~2000euro is pretty likely in my opinion.
You kinda pay not for the IGP but for top CPU performance.
There will most likely be better options from pure FPS/$ ratio.

There would be but the potential of having that much memory for the GPU is pretty tempting as well, especially for a Linux system...dangit though, since in that price range it will have to compete against the xx80 laptops

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Large Language Models.

I always love when we talk ONLY about gaming, forgetting that use cases for APUs transcend gaming.

With 16 Zen 5 cores, 40 CUs, 32 MB of SLC and 256 bit bus Strix Halo fits more "Mobile Threadripper" description than just thin and light gaming on the go.

That doesn't look like a very widespread hobby for home users If you ask me.
As for corporate, wouldn't a desktop be more cost effective?
I think yes.

 

[Glo.]

That doesn't look like a very widespread hobby for home users If you ask me.
As for corporate, wouldn't a desktop be more cost effective?
I think yes.

Tell that to Apple.

Thats what AMD is competing with with Strix Halo.

 

[FlameTail]

That doesn't look like a very widespread hobby for home users If you ask me.
As for corporate, wouldn't a desktop be more cost effective?
I think yes.

MOBILE THREADRIPPER bro!!!

 

[igor_kavinski]

There will most likely be better options from pure FPS/$ ratio.

I would be very happy if it kills the reason for OEMs to pair a 3050/4050 with their "gaming" laptops.

At worst, low performing discrete mobile GPUs disappear from laptops.

At best, the company that wants to sell these crap chips with 6GB VRAM is forced to offer more performance for the same money to OEMs, to prevent them from seeing Strix Halo as an attractive alternative.

 

[FlameTail]

Tell that to Apple.

Thats what AMD is competing with with Strix Halo.

This Strix Halo has M Max class CPU + M Pro class GPU, with M Max class power consumption.

 

[Glo.]

This Strix Halo has M Max class CPU + M Pro class GPU

Bold statement.

VERY bold, considering that M2 Max graphics perf is right in the ballpark of 4060-4060 Ti, with which Strix Halo will compete.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

There would be but the potential of having that much memory for the GPU is pretty tempting as well, especially for a Linux system...dangit though, since in that price range it will have to compete against the xx80 laptops

4080 is starting at 2400 euro in my shop and goes easily past >3000.
Even many laptops with 4070 cost more than 2000 euro.

 

[FlameTail]

At worst, low performing discrete mobile GPUs disappear from laptops.

At best, the company that wants to sell these crap chips with 6GB VRAM is forced to offer more performance for the same money to OEMs, to prevent them from seeing Strix Halo as an attractive alternative.

In the future, Qualcomm and Nvidia too may offer SoCs with big iGPUs with 256+ bit memory buses.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Tell that to Apple.

Why should I tell that to a life style company?

 

[S'renne]

I would be very happy if it kills the reason for OEMs to pair a 3050/4050 with their "gaming" laptops.

At worst, low performing discrete mobile GPUs disappear from laptops.

At best, the company that wants to sell these crap chips with 6GB VRAM is forced to offer more performance for the same money to OEMs, to prevent them from seeing Strix Halo as an attractive alternative.

Probably not unfortunately with the really low supply AMD has for mobile products, like for example the Ryzen 6000 was barely around, even when refreshed into 7x35 HS processors...just here's hoping they actually decide to supply a lot of these too, when looking at their non-existent competitive RDNA 3 dGPU offerings for mobile where Framework and ASUS has RX 7600 r 7700S and nothing else :/

 

[FlameTail]

Bold statement.

VERY bold, considering that M2 Max graphics perf is right in the ballpark of 4060-4060 Ti, with which Strix Halo will compete.

ballpark of 4060-4060 Ti

Desktop 4060 you mean?

 

[S'renne]

4080 is starting at 2400 euro in my shop and goes easily past >3000.
Even many laptops with 4070 cost more than 2000 euro.

4070 laptops are barely under 2000 in my region...just hope its priced appropriately since it also does sound like how AMD GPUs are generally priced as well

 

[S'renne]

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Desktop 4060 you mean?

isn't the mobile and desktop about equal in performance for the 4060?

 

[Glo.]

Why should I tell that to a life style company?

Because that lifestyle company dictates the narrative for business workforce. Recently IBM made a survey about whether people like working on Macs in workforce, and it turned out people tend to believe they are more productive with macs, compared to using windows laptops.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

I would be very happy if it kills the reason for OEMs to pair a 3050/4050 with their "gaming" laptops.

At worst, low performing discrete mobile GPUs disappear from laptops.

At best, the company that wants to sell these crap chips with 6GB VRAM is forced to offer more performance for the same money to OEMs, to prevent them from seeing Strix Halo as an attractive alternative.

Strix Halo has a more powerful IGP than 3050/4050, let's not talk about the paired CPU.
Against 3050 even strix Point should be pretty decent offering, but that also won't be cheap.

 

[Glo.]

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Desktop 4060 you mean?

In games that have native versions for Mac, and windows, like World of Warcraft, M2 Max is equivalent to 4060 desktop.

We are talking about real world games performance.

 

[S'renne]

Strix Halo has a more powerful IGP than 3050/4050, let's not talk about the paired CPU.
Against 3050 even strix Point should be pretty decent offering, but that also won't be cheap.

most troubling imho besides the pricing is the supply, since AMD has recently not been able to provide competitive mobile dGPU offerings or dGPU pairing offerings, since Lenovo is only offering a Zen 4 Legion 7 this year and there's no telling if it would arrive in 6 months or in 2026/mid-2026 even

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Because that lifestyle company dictates the narrative for business workforce. Recently IBM made a survey about whether people like working on Macs in workforce, and it turned out people tend to believe they are more productive with macs, compared to using windows laptops.

Really? And the proof should be based on some survey?

 

[Glo.]

Against 3050 even strix Point should be pretty decent offering, but that also won't be cheap.

No chances 😉.

780M is already HEAVILY bandwidth starved. Let alone a GPU with 33% more ALUs, and zero SLC.

 

[Glo.]

Really? And the proof should be based on some survey?

Its better than having an opinion based on "my world perception". 😛

What I mean is that Macs are still considered the go to solution for work.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

No chances 😉.

780M is already HEAVILY bandwidth starved. Let alone a GPU with 33% more ALUs, and zero SLC.

It's not as heavily starved as you think.

 

[Glo.]

It's not as heavily starved as you think.

Its enough starved, that the system will have even more trouble feeding even larger iGPU, without SLC.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Its better than having an opinion based on "my world perception". 😛

You were the one who claimed Apple dictates the narrative for business workforce and as proof you gave an IBM survey about what their employees believe. 😛

What I mean is that Macs are still considered the go to solution for work.

Maybe in USA.