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Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)

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Please can you ask our masked leaker if arctic freezer III or LT720 will be enough for 9800x3d OC ? Or just 2 tower air will be enough to get in 2-3% range of his scores ?
 
OneEng2 said:
"Good enough" if you are using the pittiful speakers inside your computer monitor, or Apple Airpods. Using high quality over-the-ear headphones, or a quality PA system and suddenly all that crappy design shines through like a fart in church 🙂.
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Motherboard sound is awful. I still haven't found any motherboard that sounds close to a good discrete sound card. If you are using good headphones, the motherboard sound doesn't seems have enough power to drive it. If you increase the volume and bass it gets muddy and distorted. Maybe very expensive motherboards have "good enough" sound, but why buy an expensive motherboard when you can buy much better sound card for far less.

Sound is very subjective but if are used to discrete sound card/USB card, there is noway to going back to MB audio (at least for me).

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I'm interested in the improvement over the 7800X3D. If it's 15-20% in 4K gaming then it would be compelling, but not sure for less than that.
JustViewing said:
Motherboard sound is awful. I still haven't found any motherboard that sounds close to a good discrete sound card. If you are using good headphones, the motherboard sound doesn't seems have enough power to drive it. If you increase the volume and bass it gets muddy and distorted. Maybe very expensive motherboards have "good enough" sound, but why buy an expensive motherboard when you can buy much better sound card for far less.

Sound is very subjective but if are used to discrete sound card/USB card, there is noway to going back to MB audio (at least for me).

<end of off topic>
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Also a sound card can last forever while boards get changed more frequently. I use an X-Fi Titanium HD from 2012 for headphones and an external Denon receiver for speakers. Everything works great on Windows 11.
 
Now that the 9800x3D is so close, I'm wondering if it'll be enough to save Zen5 on desktop.

Also, weird that 9950x3d & 9900x3D are not ready yet. IF the 9950x3d actually does come with two CCDs with 3d-cache, I wonder if there's a chance that it'll beat the 9800x3d in gaming, and AMD is banking on some people upgrading twice.

JustViewing said:
Motherboard sound is awful. I still haven't found any motherboard that sounds close to a good discrete sound card. If you are using good headphones, the motherboard sound doesn't seems have enough power to drive it. If you increase the volume and bass it gets muddy and distorted. Maybe very expensive motherboards have "good enough" sound, but why buy an expensive motherboard when you can buy much better sound card for far less.

Sound is very subjective but if are used to discrete sound card/USB card, there is noway to going back to MB audio (at least for me).

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Easiest solution IMO is to just buy something like the Schiit Magni with an internal DAC or Schiit Gunnr/Fulla. You can also use it with other sources, or extend it to active speakers etc. iFi are also good, and there are others of course.
 
adroc_thurston said:
Expensive and useless. Buy a Truthear Shio/Moondrop Dawn Pro (any double CS43131 really) and there you go.
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I'm not a huge chi-fi fan, or dongles with mediocre to bad build quality with a form factor that's built more for phones. A $110 Fulla is not that much more expensive than $50 or $70 IMO, and you get a US built dac/amp with decent build quality, form factor and features that are more suited for a desktop. However, I'm not going to shill Schiit, will just say that to each their own.
 
linkgoron said:
However, I'm not going to shill Schiit, will just say that to each their own.
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Schiit has Hifiman-tier QC so they're almost disqualified from my recommendations. That's offtopic nayway.
linkgoron said:
or dongles with mediocre to bad build quality with a form factor that's built more for phones
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There aren't really phone dongles per se, they're the size of ye olde mini-DAPs.
 
CP5670 said:
I'm interested in the improvement over the 7800X3D. If it's 15-20% in 4K gaming then it would be compelling, but not sure for less than that.

Also a sound card can last forever while boards get changed more frequently. I use an X-Fi Titanium HD from 2012 for headphones and an external Denon receiver for speakers. Everything works great on Windows 11.
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i dont really agree , 4k just isnt worth it over 1080/1440p especially once you leave 16:9 ratio.

I would rather 1440p ~100fps with lots of features set really high , compared to 4k. That will be more CPU bound then 4k unless you really drop the settings in 4k.

So really generally speaking in gaming what we should be talking about is target frame rate, the higher the target frame rate the more the CPU will matter.
 
🤣🤣 I keep getting emails on zen 5 speculation posts about sound cards and audio..... normally I don't mind 200 pages of offtopic posts but the audio topic is just so random 🤣

that being said in 2024 just some $60 FiiO mobile dongle is good enough unless you go very expensive full-size headphones! but I remember some Soundblasters had amazing audio like 20 years ago.... how?

ontopic.... 9950X3D and Halo at January CES 2025 together with new laptops??? finally???

will new laptops have nvidia blackwell on time?
 
TBH I grabbed the X870e Nova board so that I could use my SBZ or Z2 I cant remember, also so I can use graphics x16, my M-Audio LX4, through the chipset lanes, and probable a 8TB PCIE4 m2.

Edit did not mean to quote mod. hopefully edit cleans that up.
 
DaaQ said:
TBH I grabbed the X870e Nova board so that I could use my SBZ or Z2 I cant remember, also so I can use graphics x16, my M-Audio LX4, through the chipset lanes, and probable a 8TB PCIE4 m2.

Edit did not mean to quote mod. hopefully edit cleans that up.
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Cool cool, but you guys take that discussion to the builders thread. This thread is about the CPUs, with the soon to be released X3D being the current focus.
 
itsmydamnation said:
i dont really agree , 4k just isnt worth it over 1080/1440p especially once you leave 16:9 ratio.

I would rather 1440p ~100fps with lots of features set really high , compared to 4k. That will be more CPU bound then 4k unless you really drop the settings in 4k.

So really generally speaking in gaming what we should be talking about is target frame rate, the higher the target frame rate the more the CPU will matter.
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The OLED TVs are all 4K and are the best gaming displays out there. On a big screen 4K is a noticeable improvement over 1440p. Some games are bottlenecked by a single thread in some specific areas regardless of resolution, so the newer CPU's clocks may help a bit there. Starfield was one example.
 
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