DrMrLordX
Lifer
Enabling EXPO probably upped the power draw of non-core components which cut down on the available portion of the overall power budget (200W). Faster/lower latency RAM usually doesn't help much in CBR23 if memory serves correctly.
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Enabling EXPO probably upped the power draw of non-core components which cut down on the available portion of the overall power budget (200W). Faster/lower latency RAM usually doesn't help much in CBR23 if memory serves correctly.
igor_kavinski
Lifer
Only drawback: there are no yearly refreshes so Hulk can't keep buying new CPUs every year now. Gonna have to go to 9950X3D or a Threadripper.
lightmanek
Senior member
Most Asus boards defaults vSoc to 1.3V.
For 6000Mhz I always lower it to 1.15V or even 1.1V manually and that frees up few watts for CPU. Easy few hundred points in CB R23.
For 6000Mhz I always lower it to 1.15V or even 1.1V manually and that frees up few watts for CPU. Easy few hundred points in CB R23.
Sonikku
Lifer
Worked all day on taking my system apart and putting it back together. Every first time boot after a motherboard/cpu upgrade is always stressful. Especially when you only build a rig once every 5-6 years. Machine powers on! Bootable windows 11 usb made with rufus loads up. Go through all the options, pick my new nvme drive and... "Windows 11 failed to install". No error message or something to work with or anything. Hm. Tried a different drive to install onto and that didn't work either. Google says to try unhooking other drives and that doesn't work either. Sigh. I'll look into making a new bootable drive from my laptop tomorrow and see if that's the issue. Too tired to monkey around with this thing any more tonight.
Markfw
Moderator Emeritus, Elite Member
I have had to using the option to use legacy, and the win 11 thing also needs a lock on the drive or something. Others may be able to help more, I won't touch win 11 for these reasons
Hulk
Diamond Member
Ha ha, that's funny. I have been buying a lot of CPU's lately. Over the last 3 years I went from 12700K to 13900K (full refund from Intel of $611) to 13600K to 14900K (full refund from Intel $561) to 14700K to 14600K. Pat would be proud of me as I did 6 cores in 3 years.
But seriously, there are some workloads where the 9950X is remarkable. I mentioned it was about 20% faster than my 14900K in exporting a multitrack audio project. Well when it comes to mastering it is fully twice as fast as Raptor. From 16x realtime to 32 times. Mastering is more just adding a couple plugins to an already "mixed" wave file. Studio One only uses like 1 or 2 cores so the 9950X ramps up to 5.7GHz and just tears through them.
It was really hard to convince myself to move from Intel I have to admit. AMD? AMD? My mind is like still in the mid '90's. K5 and K6 with decent int performance and subpar fp performance and frequency. I had to overcome those old thoughts and preconceptions and just take the leap. So glad I did. Thank you to everyone here who helped me along the way. After going through so many Raptors for me the problem with them wasn't the high power consumption, that you can deal with, it's the heat that is the result of the high power consumption. Without pretty serious cooling you can't achieve the performance Zen 5 can get with much less power and heat. Plus, pushing the cores can and often does lead to degradation.
9950X3D. Jeez, that's going to be expensive and I know if the reviews come in hot I'm gonna be tempted!
DaaQ
Platinum Member
Please keep updated, my 2nd WD 850x 4TB drive arrived and I want to use 1 for OS and 1 for storage, both M.2. I have to remake 1 or 2 acrylic tubes to complete. I used RUFUS to install on my AM3+ board so, looking forward to your solution.
Mine may be done by end of year.
My first AMD processors were in the Athlon K7 and Athlon 64 era, which were generally superior to the Intel stuff at the time. But they really fell behind Intel for a long time after 2005 or so. I agree that the heat is a much bigger problem than power use, especially in the summer.
Sonikku
Lifer
I updated the bios and made a new bootable usb win11 install with the media creation and it worked. I'm home free! ...or rather, I would be. But it seems that windows 11 refused to finish installing unless it can connect to the internet. And it can't connect to the internet because the basic windows default driver for ethernet is apparently not a thing any more. But it can load drivers from a USB, but can't load drivers from the USB because the drivers I preemptively downloaded onto my spare drive is showing no drivers when I open the folder. Sigh. Will monkey around some more in the morning... I have half a mind to just make a windows 10 bootable and upgrade to 11 later. Sheesh. No wonder nobody wants this blasted PoS OS.
Seba
Golden Member
Give it another try to a Rufus made USB with the updated BIOS (with the online account requirement disabled).
If still does not work, you should be able to bypass that even when using a USB made using Microsoft Media Creation Tool:
- When it asks to connect to a network, press Shift+F10.
- In the command prompt which opens enter "OOBE\BYPASSNRO" command.
(it might be necessary to use the full path: %systemroot%\System32\oobe\BypassNRO.cmd or cd to that folder first).
- After the reboot, you should be able to skip the online account (and a "I don't have Internet" option should be available).
If still does not work, you should be able to bypass that even when using a USB made using Microsoft Media Creation Tool:
- When it asks to connect to a network, press Shift+F10.
- In the command prompt which opens enter "OOBE\BYPASSNRO" command.
(it might be necessary to use the full path: %systemroot%\System32\oobe\BypassNRO.cmd or cd to that folder first).
- After the reboot, you should be able to skip the online account (and a "I don't have Internet" option should be available).
igor_kavinski
Lifer
Sadly, you won't get any performance enhancing updates backported to Windows 10 once it goes out of support. For gaming, it seems Win11 is a necessary evil.
You mean the performance updates with which Win11 still has not been able to catch up to Win10 perf wise in games?😉
igor_kavinski
Lifer
Maybe they might come once Microsoft relegates Win10 to security only updates.
blackangus
Senior member
I used the lastest Win11 with the lastest rufus and also got install failed errors.
I then used windows media creation tool and no problem.
Hulk
Diamond Member
Amazing.
I do it about every 2 years or so. Whenever I "feel" things are clogged up. Most likely unnecessary.
gdansk
Diamond Member
They're fixing performance problems that Windows 10 doesn't have to begin with.
These new CPUs have been showing more consistent results in W10 than between different releases of W11.
I really don't know how Microsoft is testing these days but however they're dogfooding it no one seems to notice.
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igor_kavinski
Lifer
Maybe too much reliance on Windows Insiders.
Hulk
Diamond Member
So many bad things put into Windows over the years. Onedrive, Cortana, 3DObjects, Xbox, .. all things that you should be able to install if you want to. Oh yeah and Edge, which I would probably use if it wasn't forced on me. As long as it is not easily uninstalled I will not use it.
Sonikku
Lifer
YOU ARE A LIFE SAVER!!! IT WORKED!
Why in blazes doesn't Microsoft make this option available by default instead of burying it in kernal commands... If I had this much trouble with an install I can't even imagine the kind of chicken and the egg conundrums laymen are having.
Sonikku
Lifer
Yep. My experience precisely. Win11 boot crashed right after I hit install and while the media creation tool made an 11 bootable that worked, it just ended up hitting its own brick wall in the home stretch on account of the the arbitrary online requirement. I had just finished using media creation to make a Windows 10 bootable when I used the kernal command work around that Seba posted and it worked. A cynical part of me almost wishes he hadn't, if only to savor windows 10 bliss for nine more months.
On a lighter note, I feel like I'm proposing to my new Gaming PC with this ram/box. XD
Will you be my Gaming PC?
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DaaQ
Platinum Member
YOU ARE A LIFE SAVER!!! IT WORKED!
Why in blazes doesn't Microsoft make this option available by default instead of burying it in kernal commands... If I had this much trouble with an install I can't even imagine the kind of chicken and the egg conundrums laymen are having.
Not sure what the issue is, I used RUFUS with all checkboxes to install on AM3+ mobo with 4x128GB RAID drives all check boxes checked, and no problemo.
Internet connected.
One caveat is I did pay for a W11 Pro key, not saying yall didn't. Although I did not enter key until after installed and all updates completed.
Hulk
Diamond Member
They are doing exactly what Microsoft and Intel want them to do. They are buying new pre-built computers from Dell, HP, or whatever.
YOU ARE A LIFE SAVER!!! IT WORKED!
Why in blazes doesn't Microsoft make this option available by default instead of burying it in kernal commands... If I had this much trouble with an install I can't even imagine the kind of chicken and the egg conundrums laymen are having.
But we RESIST! Resistance is NOT futile!
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