Youtube, bunch of hypocrites

[Red Squirrel]

So I made a parody video with ISIS music. I guess the ISIS music is copyrighted. I figured you were in the clear if it's parody but guess not.

So they make me watch this video... from Happy Tree Friends, with their music and all. So suddenly, that's not copyrighted? What the hell? So a big corporation is allowed to use copyrighted characters/videos but an individual can't? Yay for capitalism.

 

[FleshLight]

Is it possible that Youtube has permission from the copyright holder to share that video?

 

[Ichinisan]

Is it possible that Youtube has permission from the copyright holder to share that video?

I would think so.

OP has repeatedly demonstrated an inability to comprehend copyright, intellectual property, and general morality when it comes to digital content online.

That said, I'm surprised anyone is enforcing copyright on that particular audio track. I wonder if someone *other* than the real copyright holder is claiming ownership through Google's system...

 

[Mixolydian]

That said, I'm surprised anyone is enforcing copyright on that particular audio track. I wonder if someone *other* than the real copyright holder is claiming ownership through Google's system...

Usually it's flagged automatically. You can, of course, contest it.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I'm thinking of contesting it just for the principle of it. It's a freaking 10 sec video. It's nothing important and I don't really care about it, but I just think it's retarded that Youtube is actually listening to a copyright claim for such a basic parody video, which I always figured was fair game.

But if you contest it, it basically triggers a lawsuit. What happens if you ignore a lawsuit notice? I don't even plan on putting the video back up, I just want to waste their time. I'm guessing the notice would come in the form of certified mail. Can you just choose to not accept it?

And it's not that I don't understand copyright, I just think it's a completely retarded concept. All published knowledge, information, creations etc should be free to use, share, modify and so on. Heck if they applied the copyright rules on every single youtube video it would apply to like 90% of them. All videos will have some element in them that is probably copyrighted in some way.

 

[Mixolydian]

But if you contest it, it basically triggers a lawsuit.

No it doesn't. I've contested dozens of those YouTube copyright claims and they all ended up with them allowing the video.

 

[Ichinisan]

And it's not that I don't understand copyright, I just think it's a completely retarded concept. All published knowledge, information, creations etc should be free to use, share, modify and so on.

You see? This is what I'm talking about.

Good luck finding quality entertainment if you remove the profit incentive for content creators. Quality TV shows and movies aren't cheap.

 

[Red Squirrel]

No it doesn't. I've contested dozens of those YouTube copyright claims and they all ended up with them allowing the video.

Maybe this is new, but I get a warning that it does. I guess they can just choose to skip that part and allow it, but if they don't then they set a court date and such.

Please note that when we forward the counter notice, it will include the full text of the counter notice, including any personal information you provide. The claimant may use this information to file a lawsuit against you in order to keep the content from being restored to YouTube.

By submitting a counter notification, you consent to having your information revealed in this way. We will not forward the counter notification to any party other than the original claimant.

Counter notifications must be submitted by the video’s original uploader or an agent authorized to act on their behalf, such as an attorney. To submit a counter notification, please use our webform. It is accessible via the Copyright Notices section of your account:

The counter notification process takes 10 business days to complete once initiated, so please be patient. During this time, the claimant may file an action seeking a court order to keep the content down.

Probably not worth messing with that anyway, this is just a Reddit meme going on and I just put the video somewhere else.

 

[Red Squirrel]

You see? This is what I'm talking about.

Good luck finding quality entertainment if you remove the profit incentive for content creators. Quality TV shows and movies aren't cheap.

Yeah because some random audio track I found on Youtube is generating millions of dollars and suddenly that money stopped coming in just because I used it in a parody that got 100 views. These companies make plenty of money even if people use parts of their audio or video in their own videos.

 

[Ichinisan]

Yeah because some random audio track I found on Youtube is generating millions of dollars and suddenly that money stopped coming in just because I used it in a parody that got 100 views. These companies make plenty of money even if people use parts of their audio or video in their own videos.

:whiste:

All published knowledge, information, creations etc should be free to use, share, modify and so on.

Hopefully, you'll realize some day that you've taken the wrong side on this issue because it's convenient for you. Though you feel like you're "sticking it to the man," you're justifying your own greed / selfishness.

 

[norseamd]

Good luck finding quality entertainment if you remove the profit incentive for content creators. Quality TV shows and movies aren't cheap.

Poor Ichinisan has to bear every day the atrocious exasperation of dealing with those who dare to not believe in neoliberalism.

 

[Ichinisan]

Poor Ichinisan has to bear every day the atrocious exasperation of dealing with those who dare to not believe in neoliberalism.

You're saying I'm a "neoliberal?"

Also, I assure you that I'm not "exasperated." I enjoy discussing my point of view and trying to persuade people I disagree with.

 

[Man I Suck]

Youtube's choice to censor your audio is not a conscious choice. It's an automated choice. If you feel that the system muted your audio unfairly, you have recourse. You can click the button to send a message to Youtube to plead your case. Did you do this and cite fair use and parody laws?

 

[norseamd]

Also, I assure you that I'm not "exasperated." I enjoy discussing my point of view and trying to persuade people I disagree with.

Alright. Alright...

Just wanting to give a tiny hard time there right now.

You are right that there is going to be a major drop in current content as it is made now. However that would mean that there would also be a major lack of content and entertainment and since many would be bored or annoyed some would naturally try to start producing content to fill that void in content or entertainment. And yes they would do it for free because art does not lose value without any money being attached to shit.

Also keep in mind this would only apply to copyright as patents do nothing for humanity. Scientists, Universities, and Enthusiasts already do science and research by the proverbial shit ton so humanity would still have huge fucking advances in science and technology without any patents and related laws and such bullshit.

 

[Man I Suck]

Just wanting to give a tiny hard time there right now.

I bet you tell that to all the girls :biggrin:

 

[Rakehellion]

And it's not that I don't understand copyright, I just think it's a completely retarded concept. All published knowledge, information, creations etc should be free to use, share, modify and so on. Heck if they applied the copyright rules on every single youtube video it would apply to like 90% of them. All videos will have some element in them that is probably copyrighted in some way.

So why don't you write, record, and produce your own music? Oh right, you can't.

 

[Markbnj]

It's probably ISIS themselves that are filing the takedowns.

 

[Red Squirrel]

So why don't you write, record, and produce your own music? Oh right, you can't.

Not everyone is born an artist. Does not mean I should not be allowed to make content just because it has bits of other content in it. Also if you're making a parody it kinda defeats the purpose if it's not based on the original content.

Also if you're making a video of game play the whole point of the video is to show the game play, not make something from scratch, yet showing game play from a game is copyright violation. Just because something uses elements from something else does not make it unoriginal.

Technically every single video out there has content from another, because digital content is all 1 and 0's. If I upload a video that has a very short spurt of data chances are other videos have it too. It's one thing to copy a full video verbatim and say I made it, that's not right, but to edit or add to it then it's not the same video anymore. Copyright should not apply just because it has parts of something because everything has a part of something else.

Heck there was a project going on for this actually but can't seem to find it. Their goal was to generate every possible image pixel by pixel so they can file DMCA notices, just to show how ridiculous the system is.

This guy explains it better than me how ridiculous it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vnr8QXCoQg

 

[Newbian]

It's probably ISIS themselves that are filing the takedowns.

They are getting op's address while they do it also.

 

[Red Squirrel]

They are getting op's address while they do it also.

They are welcome here if they leave their guns at the border. They'll probably freeze to death. :biggrin:

 

[darkswordsman17]

I would think so.

OP has repeatedly demonstrated an inability to comprehend a wide variety of topics.

That said, I'm surprised anyone is enforcing copyright on that particular audio track. I wonder if someone *other* than the real copyright holder is claiming ownership through Google's system...

Fixed that for you. The amount of FUD and nonsense he runs around spouting is ridiculous.

Alright. Alright...

Just wanting to give a tiny hard time there right now.

You are right that there is going to be a major drop in current content as it is made now. However that would mean that there would also be a major lack of content and entertainment and since many would be bored or annoyed some would naturally try to start producing content to fill that void in content or entertainment. And yes they would do it for free because art does not lose value without any money being attached to shit.

Also keep in mind this would only apply to copyright as patents do nothing for humanity. Scientists, Universities, and Enthusiasts already do science and research by the proverbial shit ton so humanity would still have huge fucking advances in science and technology without any patents and related laws and such bullshit.

They might do it for free but we'd end up with an overload of total shit content. Think worse than Youtube and that would be like all content. Which there's a lot of content in all mediums that I think is shit (even with big budgets), but without a way to actually make a living from it, content is going to suffer massively. All "art" will require some resources. I really hope you don't think that even "starving artists" do everything for free.

What? Without being able to monetize those developments it's meaningless. And guess what, all the technological advances required some form of monetization in order to come into existence enough to make widespread societal change.

For instance all the battery advancements that have been made in the past decade? The reason why we don't have those is because they can't find a way to actually make those feasible economically. They can accomplish all sorts of things in labs, but often can't actually make them work in real things in the real world. Being able to make money is what drives development of those (and also development in general as I hope you realize the money for scientists to advance technology has to come from somewhere).

Now as we move towards possibly maybe realizing a "post scarcity" society I do think the value we give to a lot of IP should change but that's delving into theoretical stuff and so while interesting to discuss isn't really that relevant. And that's not to say that money = good, or that patents are absolutely good. Right now the copyright/trademark/patent/IP setup has issues, but it's not because those are inherently bad, it's because the current state of the legal side and the governance of it have problems. We can change that (hopefully, there have been improvements in even just the past few years).

 

[CZroe]

It's probably ISIS themselves that are filing the takedowns.

They have to fund their movement/revolution somehow.

 

[norseamd]

They might do it for free but we'd end up with an overload of total shit content. Think worse than Youtube and that would be like all content. Which there's a lot of content in all mediums that I think is shit (even with big budgets), but without a way to actually make a living from it, content is going to suffer massively. All "art" will require some resources. I really hope you don't think that even "starving artists" do everything for free.

Have you ever tried any mods for any game? Have you ever tried NWN and downloaded any of the fan made modules?

Many of those are actually quite good sometimes nicer than the official content from paid professionals.

 

[zinfamous]

And it's not that I don't understand copyright, I just think it's a completely retarded concept. All published knowledge, information, creations etc should be free to use, share, modify and so on.

One of the many, many ways in which you display your naivete, blithe ignorance, and outright stupidity in these forums.

just saying.

 

[RossMAN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy0BxLb9Vl8