Youtube, bunch of hypocrites

[CZroe]

No one has claimed that IP is perfect. No one.

Open source is not an argument against IP BECAUSE THE CREATOR CHOOSES TO MAKE IT OPEN SOURCE.

Have you created anything in your life worth value? Bueller? Bueller?

Also, open source is almost always under a legally-enforceable open source license, like GPL, that wouldn't be possible to enforce without IP laws. For example, you usually can't just take an open source project and incorporate it into your closed-source commercial product without either making your product open source (release the source code) or having some agreement with the original authors (license, royalties, support, etc).

 

[norseamd]

No one has claimed that IP is perfect. No one.

Open source is not an argument against IP BECAUSE THE CREATOR CHOOSES TO MAKE IT OPEN SOURCE.

Have you created anything in your life worth value? Bueller? Bueller?

Let us go over what you actually said. How many of those who make free content are against IP laws? My guess is actually quite a lot in fact. So basically you are talking up some hot air.

It's funny that people that are totally against IP have never created anything.

 

[norseamd]

Also, open source is almost always under a legally-enforceable open source license that wouldn't be possible to enforce without IP laws.

The peasant who owns and uses an axe for carpentry because the law prevents him from using saws must be supporting that axes are the right tool.

Do you even know why they actually do that? Let me give you a hint there on that shit. I mentioned it just a few posts earlier.

 

[CZroe]

Let us go over what you actually said. How many of those who make free content are against IP laws? My guess is actually quite a lot in fact. So basically you are talking up some hot air.

You think the author of an open source SNES emulator wants someone to change the name and repackage it as their own work and sell it on the Google Play store with no credit or revenue sharing? You think they want a major corporation like Nintendo to take their emulator and use it with their own improvements to make their own Virtual Console without a shred of acknowledgement and not contributing improvements back to the project? You need to read the open source licenses a little more closely. Even the people making things for free ask for and receive the protection offered by IP laws.

The peasant who owns and uses an axe for carpentry because the law prevents him from using saws must be supporting that axes are the right tool.

Do you even know why they actually do that? Let me give you a hint there on that shit. I mentioned it just a few posts earlier.

There's your "hint."

 

[KeithTalent]

Exciting, I smell more ownage coming!

KT

 

[norseamd]

You think the author of an open source SNES emulator wants someone to change the name and repackage it as their own work and sell it on the Google Play store with no credit or revenue sharing? You think they want a major corporation like Nintendo to take their emulator and use it with their own improvements to make their own Virtual Console without a shred of acknowledgement and not contributing improvements back to the project? You need to read the open source licenses a little more closely. Even the people making things for free ask for and receive the protection offered by IP laws.

There's your "hint."

Familiarize yourself with copyleft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft

 

[CZroe]

Familiarize yourself with copyleft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft

Derp.

 

[norseamd]

Exciting, I smell more ownage coming!

Funny because it seems when you guys are able to deflect and deny you claim you win yet when something is laid out so clear it is impossible for even you guys to deflect and deny you guys just shut up and never respond.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2423154&page=3

 

[CZroe]

Funny because it seems when you guys are able to deflect and deny you claim you win yet when something is laid out so clear it is impossible for even you guys to deflect and deny you guys just shut up and never respond.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2423154&page=3

The only thing you've laid out is exactly what I said to make my case. Copyleft protects the work from exploitation by would-be IP thieves using IP laws exactly like I said. You're right: It is laid out clear. You, OTOH, seem to need glasses.

 

[norseamd]

Derp.

Derp what? If you are not able to do anything but deflect and deny then I guess you do not actually have to give me any straight responses.

 

[CZroe]

Derp what? If you are not able to do anything but deflect and deny then I guess you do not actually have to give me any straight responses.

Grabass.

 

[norseamd]

The only thing you've laid out is exactly what I said to make my case. Copyleft protects the work from exploitation by would-be IP thieves using IP laws exactly like I said. You're right: It is laid out clear. You seem to need glasses.

You apparently are just fine corrupting the meaning of the term copyleft for your own political ignorance. Copyleft only is around because we have to deal with copyright. Does the play on words not get through your dull mind? Copyleft in no way is endorsing the ideology of IP laws. It is only there to mitigate the devastation of IP laws.

 

[CZroe]

You apparently are just fine corrupting the meaning of the term copyleft for your own political ignorance. Copyleft only is around because we have to deal with copyright. Does the play on words not get through your dull mind? Copyleft in no way is endorsing the ideology of IP laws. It is only there to mitigate the devastation of IP laws.

Then why does GPL often require you to contribute *your modifications* back as open source? Why does it forbid commercial closed-source use without the author's consent? Have you ever read the GPL? Those are significant restrictions on use. Lots of free and open source stuff still forbids commercial use, and not only in derivative products. For example, Geek Squad can't use WinSockFix to repair someone's Windows XP machine that's infested with Spyware even though a normal user can.

"All Rights Reversed"

Oooooh

Heaven's down
And Hell is up
All rights reversed
Proven by the planets and their movements
While, down on earth
The primal chaos
Is pushing backwards
But even then the danger never stops

And no-ones stopping
It never stops
And no-ones stopping
It never stops
And no-ones stopping
It never stops
And no-ones stopping

Oooooh [x4]

It never stops
And no one's stopping

All rights reversed
Undertaking copyleft while flying sideways
While, down on earth
The primal chaos
Is pulling forward
And there are other threats below

It never stops
And no one's stopping
It never stops
And no one's stopping

It never stops
It never stops

Never stops
And no one's stopping
[repeats]

It never stops
and no one's stopping
[repeats]

And you are just fine being an ungrateful grabass perverting the intentions even of open-source, freeware, shareware, etc content creators.

 

[norseamd]

Then why does GPL often require you to contribute *your modifications* back to the open source community? Why does it forbid commercial closed-source use without the author's consent? Have you ever read the GPL?

Because without copyright laws derivative works would be by natural existence still publicly available to all. I have thought it was somewhat excessive but I am fine with it somewhat because it basically is flicking off all the big businesses who take advantage of the work of those who are less prominent in society or those who do not have that much money. Without those restrictions companies would just take that code and incorporate it into their own products advancing proprietary products while not transferring any of their own advances from their proprietary products over to the free knowledge products. This is basically a way to keep the free knowledge industry more competitive with the proprietary industry.

 

[CZroe]

Because without copyright laws derivative works would be by natural existence still publicly available to all. I have thought it was somewhat excessive but I am fine with it somewhat because it basically is flicking off all the big businesses who take advantage of the work of those who are less prominent in society or those who do not have that much money. Without those restrictions companies would just take that code and incorporate it into their own products advancing proprietary products while not transferring any of their own advances from their proprietary products over to the free knowledge products. This is basically a way to keep the free knowledge industry more competitive with the proprietary industry.

Hi...is short for Hypocrite

 

[Aikouka]

A couple of years ago I posted a video on YouTube demonstrating a few minutes of video playback of The Dark Knight Blu-ray on an Atom machine, showing that it played cleanly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmgxSxb6prM

A little while later, I got a notice from Warner Bros indicating that they were aware of the video... and that's it. They didn't actually ask me or YouTube to take it down. It's stayed online ever since.

Hm... what's surprising is that it looks like they didn't even try to monetize the video. I've made WoW videos where I used third party music (as is fairly common in them), and they usually get monetized for the music artist. I don't mind as it's not like I asked permission to use the music. However, that doesn't seem to matter as people have had their stuff flagged even when they have permission. Anyway, my only concern is that companies don't seem to understand that the exposure can serve as "free" advertising/outreach. I talked about my own WoW videos, but what's worth mentioning is that I found out about a good number of electronica artists and/or songs from other WoW videos. If I liked the song, I would usually go and buy the song or the whole album (I hate having a single track). Some of the artists that I used in my videos were the ones that I first heard in other videos.

Is it ever going to be an easy, clear cut system? No way. It's just too hard to police the sheer number of videos that YouTube gets. It'd just be nice to see companies seeing that there can be some good that comes out of it.