Your Republican Guide to Criticizing Obama on Libya

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Dude, we've already lost a Strike Eagle. Those aren't used for whale watching charters, they are ground attack aircraft. The US is the country that fired a hundred million dollars' worth of cruise missiles; the UK fired (I think) two.

OMG, wow, then let me lay praise to your efforts in this...

If it hadn't been for the US insisting on participating you wouldn't have.

Now, of course, the US are insistant on taking the lead, as if you didn't have enough problems with the area as it was, one can't help but wonder what the fuck you are thinking.

Anyway, this is under UN mandate with the support of the AU and several Arab nations, you can't make it equal to Iraq in any way shape or form.
 
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This is why Bush did not go in with a massive army, and why the US has (so far) succeeded where every other invading army has failed.

If you mean to do absolutely nothing but pissing off and enlisting more people to the Taliban and Al Qaida than there ever was then you are right.

Afghanistan was on the verge of a won war once all troops were removed (except 15k people who were on base almost all the time), that's a good call, to prolong the war on terror.

In 30 years, if we are still there then or if we pulled out leaving the Taliban and Al Qaueda stronger than ever then we can have this discussion proper, right now, i suppose in a few years we'll just hand it back to the Taliban again.
 

werepossum

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If you mean to do absolutely nothing but pissing off and enlisting more people to the Taliban and Al Qaida than there ever was then you are right.

Afghanistan was on the verge of a won war once all troops were removed (except 15k people who were on base almost all the time), that's a good call, to prolong the war on terror.

In 30 years, if we are still there then or if we pulled out leaving the Taliban and Al Qaueda stronger than ever then we can have this discussion proper, right now, i suppose in a few years we'll just hand it back to the Taliban again.
We certainly won't be in Afghanistan in thirty years; even if the American and British people would tolerate it, the Afghans will not.
 

FuzzyBee

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Gingrich takes the cake as the biggest hippocryte on earth starting with his impeachment against Clinton while having an affair. His gall knows no bounds.
Presidential material NOT!

Hmm. Did he lie about it under oath? Funny how y'all leftists like to act like certain laws don't seem to matter when it applies to "your people".

Anyway, back to the Libya thread.
 

FuzzyBee

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Libya: We were told the truth as to the rational for our actions
Iraq: We were told the t..... ooops!!

Also your left-right argument when the US goes into war kinda falls apart if you bring in Kosovo

Wha? - we haven't been told anything.

Last I heard, Obama wants to see how his bracket performs this weekend before addressing his constituents Monday. Priorities!
 
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We certainly won't be in Afghanistan in thirty years; even if the American and British people would tolerate it, the Afghans will not.

You mean the Taliban would not, if not for Iraq, there would be no Taliban, now even the government in Afghanistan is influenced by the Taliban in their decisions and we ALLOW THAT.

We had a chance to bring an end to both the Taliban and Al Qaueda, at that point GW panicked about the end of the war on terror and requested all information that could be doctored from the MI6 and the CIA to make up shit so he could stay in power and ensure that the Taliban and Al Qaueda didn't just survive but got a lot of new ground to work on as well as ensuring the overwhelming support amongst Arab nations for their plight.

It worked, it worked for GW, it worked for the Taliban and it worked for Al Qaueda, it worked so well that while that was the only possible outcome of doing so very few actually think it was on purpose... for fucks sakes, is that how stupid GW and company was? That they couldn't see that pulling out would prolong the effort?

I don't think so. Not even GW with advisors is THAT stupid and neither are you.
 

werepossum

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Nor could we afford it, hell we can't really afford it now.
True, but what we can afford seems to have no bearing on what we do far as I can tell.

You mean the Taliban would not, if not for Iraq, there would be no Taliban, now even the government in Afghanistan is influenced by the Taliban in their decisions and we ALLOW THAT.

We had a chance to bring an end to both the Taliban and Al Qaueda, at that point GW panicked about the end of the war on terror and requested all information that could be doctored from the MI6 and the CIA to make up shit so he could stay in power and ensure that the Taliban and Al Qaueda didn't just survive but got a lot of new ground to work on as well as ensuring the overwhelming support amongst Arab nations for their plight.

It worked, it worked for GW, it worked for the Taliban and it worked for Al Qaueda, it worked so well that while that was the only possible outcome of doing so very few actually think it was on purpose... for fucks sakes, is that how stupid GW and company was? That they couldn't see that pulling out would prolong the effort?

I don't think so. Not even GW with advisors is THAT stupid and neither are you.
It was a serious mistake to pull out most of our special forces, granted. I do give Bush the benefit of the doubt (as I do Obama on Libya) that he honestly believed Afghanistan was won, but culturally those people have a long history of inter-tribal warfare which includes a lot of switching sides in the middle of wars, if not battles. Shouldn't have taken too much smarts to figure out that if we largely left, the Afghans would see no point in not letting the Taliban escape into Pakistan. After all, the Northern Alliance was fighting for supremacy and might well have found themselves on the same side with the Taliban in the future - perhaps the near future now.
 
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True, but what we can afford seems to have no bearing on what we do far as I can tell.


It was a serious mistake to pull out most of our special forces, granted. I do give Bush the benefit of the doubt (as I do Obama on Libya) that he honestly believed Afghanistan was won, but culturally those people have a long history of inter-tribal warfare which includes a lot of switching sides in the middle of wars, if not battles. Shouldn't have taken too much smarts to figure out that if we largely left, the Afghans would see no point in not letting the Taliban escape into Pakistan. After all, the Northern Alliance was fighting for supremacy and might well have found themselves on the same side with the Taliban in the future - perhaps the near future now.

I'm sorry, i don't think you're that daft, i'll take this as sarcasm.

National pride is one thing, wanton ignorance another and i really don't want to insult you further so i'll let this be and stay out of any discussion with you on the subject.

Mostly because i really don't want to insult you.
 

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Obama's passive aggression isn't as bad as some make it out to be, have the other guys pay for this, we are paying for the other two wars, the War on Libya needs to be handled by someone else other than the infinite pockets of the American Tax Payer, thank you.

Anyone that thinks differently obvious in cahoots with those that think Americans should pay for every half cocked idea or position any politician comes up with and/or that we are responsible for the actions of foreign dictators, which is clearly not the case unless they take arms against our people or threatening the world. For going after one man (like Bin Laden) will most likely be an extremely expensive endeavor, as the General advised before hand. This is why one leader in the military said, anyone that puts their foot in the middle east needs to have their head examined. Now that's what I call being realistic!

How long will the troops be dispersed throughout the world, how long will we pay for Foreign involvement & wars? Do we really need to put our troops into every country to make a point? The Afghans are winning with passive aggression, so why can't it work for Obama?

I don't see why people would even take John McCain's stance, it's clear he is only posturing & criticizing for an election. When will the spending & wasting stop?

America is at the top of the Food Chain, all these desert people need to realize is, they can have their food and eat it too when they oust the bad guys and start selling the oil at reasonable prices. Till then, there will continue to be revolts, for the people want their food and water, and that's the bottom line! If you need some help in doing so, just ask, we will be more than glad to send a few countries' armed forced in to help ya..
 
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BoberFett

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Just because you're incapable of being logical doesn't mean you should blame your mom, whoops, maybe you should.

Seriously? A mom crack? And not even a good one at that. Go back to wherever you came from loser, this forum is beyond you.