Your Republican Guide to Criticizing Obama on Libya

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Steeplerot

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It sured worked great for Russia.

It sured did.

Seriously though I hate Leninism and State Capitalism in Russia and its satellites as much as the rest, more then righties as I am a history buff and socialist (not a marxist). USSR losing that crap regime was the best thing to happen to the left in ages. The Bolsheviks were worse then Germany later on even in a lot of ways.

So yes, bolshevism and espically stalinism failed. Welcome to 1991.

In the end the SU was a rational enemy that was pretty predictable in its bumbling incompetence, they kept terrorist fundie assholes at bay in the mideast while pushing secularist governments in its own imperialist dealings (as we try to do and fail). Now Russia is full of homeless and what do they have to show for it? The rich are still running the show. Although it is laughable to say Reagan really crashed out the SU was it worth it vs democratic reforms which were already happening? History is what it is.
 
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Matt1970

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You are the one who said we fought the war poorly. Sending aid to France is hardly "fighting" in the war. That didn't happen till Johnson. You got called on your facts.
 

Steeplerot

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You are the one who said we fought the war poorly. Sending aid to France is hardly "fighting" in the war. That didn't happen till Johnson. You got called on your facts.

June 8, 1956 - The first official death in Vietnam is U.S. Air Force Technical Sergeant Richard B. Fitzgibbon, Jr. of Stoneham, MA who was killed by another U.S. airman.
21 October 1957 - Captain Harry Cramer killed in Vietnam.
8 July 1959 - Major Dale R. Buis and M/Sgt Charles Ovnand {Chester Melvin Ovnand} killed by sniper; first and second names listed on Vietnam Veterans Memorial.
22 December 1961 - SP4 James Thomas Davis, 3d Radio Research Unit (Army Security Agency), killed in an ambush in Vietnam, The Wall: Panel 01E - Row 004.

They don't count do they? Although you can visit them on the Wall.

Referring to communism in Indochina, U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower put the theory into words during an April 7, 1954 news conference:
“ Finally, you have broader considerations that might follow what you would call the "falling domino" principle. You have a row of dominoes set up, you knock over the first one, and what will happen to the last one is the certainty that it will go over very quickly. So you could have a beginning of a disintegration that would have the most profound influences.
 
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Matt1970

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June 8, 1956 - The first official death in Vietnam is U.S. Air Force Technical Sergeant Richard B. Fitzgibbon, Jr. of Stoneham, MA who was killed by another U.S. airman.
21 October 1957 - Captain Harry Cramer killed in Vietnam.
8 July 1959 - Major Dale R. Buis and M/Sgt Charles Ovnand {Chester Melvin Ovnand} killed by sniper; first and second names listed on Vietnam Veterans Memorial.
22 December 1961 - SP4 James Thomas Davis, 3d Radio Research Unit (Army Security Agency), killed in an ambush in Vietnam, The Wall: Panel 01E - Row 004.

They don't count do they? Although you can visit them on the Wall.

4 people in 6 years sure doesn't sound like the kind of deaths you have while fighting in a war.
 

colonel

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another crusade from the neoconservatives aiming to weak Obama in the election, if Gaddafi use WMD on the rebels neoconservatives blame him anyway, I wasn't surprise about this scam from the Republicans.
 

Matt1970

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Sure we had some people in Vietnam in the early years, but you can hardly fight a war good or bad, one way or the other untill you have troops on the ground. That didn't happen till a Democrat was in office.
 

Steeplerot

Lifer
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Sure we had some people in Vietnam in the early years, but you can hardly fight a war good or bad, one way or the other untill you have troops on the ground. That didn't happen till a Democrat was in office.

Boots were on the ground since Eisenhower. Sorry, but the right wing assumption that JFK started Vietnam is wrong. Eisenhower sent the first troops, (advisors lol) JFK tried to end it fast by "surging" the troops.


July 8, 1959 - Two U.S. military advisors, Maj. Dale Buis and Sgt. Chester Ovnand, are killed by Viet Minh guerrillas at Bien Hoa, South Vietnam. They are the first American deaths in the Second Indochina War which Americans will come to know simply as The Vietnam War.


John F Kennedy:
35th President of the United States
In office
January 20, 1961 – November 22, 1963
 
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Genx87

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January 20, 1953 - Dwight D. Eisenhower, former five-star Army general and Allied commander in Europe during World War II, is inaugurated as the 34th U.S. President.

During his term, Eisenhower will greatly increase U.S. military aid to the French in Vietnam to prevent a Communist victory. U.S. military advisors accompany American supplies sent to Vietnam. To justify America's financial commitment, Eisenhower will cite a 'Domino Theory' in which a Communist victory in Vietnam would result in surrounding countries falling one after another like a "falling row of dominoes." The Domino Theory will be used by a succession of Presidents and their advisors to justify ever-deepening U.S. involvement in Vietnam.

In other words once again it was some paranoid harebrained idea of a Republican telling us we had to interfere or we all would ALL DIE!

Sound familiar?

Are you really this stupid? IKE is responsible for LBJ invading Vietnam?
 

Steeplerot

Lifer
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What a world you have created for yourself lmao. Blaming IKE for LBJ increasing our troops levels by hundreds of thousands.

You see, for us not in wingnutlandia we can access history and progressions and escalations from years and decades, even centuries back. Bumper sticker talk-radio history has no place in the real world. Sorry. Ike started the invasion of indochina to help the French. You Conservatives should still rightfully be butthurt at losing that one...for the FRENCH lol!
 

DrewSG3

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All I know is Donald Rumsfeld criticized bombing Libya, so I fully throw my support behind military action 100%. ;)
 

Genx87

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You see, for us not in wingnutlandia we can access history and progressions and escalations from years and decades, even centuries back. Bumper sticker talk-radio history has no place in the real world. Sorry.

That is cute but doesnt explain why IKE is responsible for LBJ increasing troop strength. LBJ was more than capable of not invading Vietnam and escalating the war.
 

Steeplerot

Lifer
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LBJ was more than capable of not invading Vietnam and escalating the war.

LBJ did not "invade" he sent more troops in to reinforce the advisors and troops already there since the Eisenhower admin. Just because a occupying army "surges" does not count as invasion. Is this what you are trying to say?

That's some stupid logic even for a apologist as yourself.

Backpedal moar plx

Here's a hint, try using JFK's escalation if you want to even be relevant to what started it, LBJ's surge was later on in the 60s. You guys are missing the mark badly at your own argument, but I am a sharing comrade.
 
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LBJ did not "invade" he sent more troops in to reinforce the advisors and troops already there since the Eisenhower admin. Just because a occupying army "surges" does not count as invasion. Is this what you are trying to say?

That's some stupid logic even for a apologist as yourself.

Backpedal moar plx

You remind me of Baghdad Bob.
 

Genx87

Lifer
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LBJ did not "invade" he sent more troops in to reinforce the advisors and troops already there since the Eisenhower admin. Just because a occupying army "surges" does not count as invasion. Is this what you are trying to say?

That's some stupid logic even for a apologist as yourself.

Dont lecture me on logic when you are trying to blame somebody 4 years out of office for LBJ pushing for authorization to enter into a war with N. Vietnam over the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Thus formally entering us into a state of war with N Vietnam without a declaration. Advisors are not the same as having thousands of ground troops in Vietnam. JFK increased strengths from 900 advisors to 16,000 troops. Claiming Vietnam is a republican war is really pathetic. Even by your standards.
 

Steeplerot

Lifer
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You remind me of Baghdad Bob.

You get owned by simple 1950s US military trivia and you call me deceitful?

As I said, sour grapes. Good job on Big O for cleaning up republican cut and runners messes again. I despise both parties but it is obvious which one is trying to be somewhat competent and which one is just full of their own bullshit.
 

Zebo

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Well good news is Europeans allies are doing all the strikes from now on. It's up to them and the Liberians. This action was very different than Iraq.
 

Matt1970

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You get owned by simple 1950s US military trivia and you call me deceitful?

Please.....

Vietnam Troop Levels by year.

----Ike Years------

1959 760

1960 900

---JFK Years ------

1961 3,025

1962 11,300

--------LBJ Years----------

1963 16,300

1964 23,300

1965 184,300

1966 385,300

1967 485,600

1968 536,100

1969 475,200

--------Nixon Years----------

1970 334,600

1971 156,800

1972 24,200


Sorry, but this was LBJ's war.
 
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Steeplerot

Lifer
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Dont lecture me on logic

Here comes the irony!

Advisors are not the same.

Sour grapes, Vietnam was a paranoid "domino theory" Republican war started by Ike and cut and run on by Nixon. Both were started and ended by Republicans own paranoia. LBJ and JFK tried to finish a pointless war to the best of their abilities (of course following the US imperialist rulebook -money is nonpartisan) for what they had dropped on them. (with all the negative aspects of being seen as cowardly politically for not pursuing communism during the post mccarthy era) Sound familiar?

It's exactly whats happening now also.
 
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Steeplerot

Lifer
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here is an idea, if you want to talk about Vietnam start a thread about Vietnam.

Heres an idea, keep up. I was speaking about Libya in relation to other half-assed Republican wars not finished and dumped on another president.
 

Steeplerot

Lifer
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Please.....

Vietnam Troop Levels by year.

----Ike Years------

1959 760

1960 900

---JFK Years ------

1961 3,025

1962 11,300

--------LBJ Years----------

1963 16,300

1964 23,300

1965 184,300

1966 385,300

1967 485,600

1968 536,100

1969 475,200

--------Nixon Years----------

1970 334,600

1971 156,800

1972 24,200

Thanks for making my point. Vietnam was another half-assed Republican started war to back up the French colonizers for corporate monies and JFK and LBJ tried to surge to end it finally. (and we kicked ass fwiw) Nixon cut and run. Like cowardly Reagan in Libya and Beirut.

I am just using you guys same logic on Kerry's view of Iraq for example. ():)
 

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The ink barely dried on the Republican talking points about Obama driving the country into another quagmire. Now what horse shit will they scramble together that NATO is taking lead? The French are pussies? The English are imperialists? The UAE are Muslims?

The right-wing is weak. Impotence through incompetence. This is what the Afghanistan war should have a been...a 5 minute war with the whole world lending a hand. But as we know the Republicans weren't in it to win it. We will never get a real answer out of these Republicans why they had to lie the country into a choice war. I hope at least somebody got fucking rich!