Discussion Your pure honey test?

[Torn Mind]

Honey is merely highly concentrated sugar with some hydrogen peroxide and gluconic acid.

Approximately 82 grams of sugars are contained in 3.5oz of honey. A smattering of B vitamins and vitamin C are also present.

In these times, supply of energy is readily available, too easily available, in fact.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I don't know why I haven't been getting updates to this thread.

Anyway, here in UAE, they sell "fresh milk tea" as a lot of people don't like the taste of dairy creamer.

So I ask this cafeteria guy to give me some fresh milk tea with honey instead of sugar.

He's like, "It will ruin the fresh milk and the taste. You won't like it at all."

I insisted. So he made it for me.

Doesn't taste bad at all. Still not sure why he was trying to dissuade me.

 

[igor_kavinski]

@Leymenaide

Just the man I want in this thread. I'm interested in your views on the health benefits of honey.

 

[igor_kavinski]

You are isolating glucose from the honey. Google PMC5817209 and you will see honey has a beneficial effect, unlike the isolated benefits/drawbacks of glucose/fructose when they are administered alone.

80-85% carbohydrates. IE sugar.

 

[igor_kavinski]

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Gram for gram, honey is just plain better.

As always, excess of anything can lead to problems.

Fascinating study showing the protective effects of honey against cytotoxicity and aiding the liver in combating toxins: https://www.scirp.org/pdf/abb_2014022011164230.pdf

Sugar and Honey are not the same thing, most honorable @sdifox

Let us agree on that and bring the discussion to a close. This is not a win/lose competition. I just want everyone to realize that moderate honey consumption is beneficial for the human body and its health.

 

[sdifox]

You believe whatever you want to believe. When something is 80-85% sugar, it is basically sugar.




You see that? In 100g of honey there are 82g of carbohydrates. Out of those 82g, 0.2g is dietary fiber. Rest is sugar.

I can't believe you cannot read that...

 

[Torn Mind]

There are trace ingredients in natural honey that might prove beneficial.
They are also in such small amounts that any major benefit is unlikely to be experienced.

Honey vs. Sugar: Which is Healthier?

When it comes to honey vs. sugar, is one healthier for you? Here is everything you need to know in the great honey vs. sugar debate.

kaynutrition.com

Gram for gram, honey is just plain better.

As always, excess of anything can lead to problems.

Fascinating study showing the protective effects of honey against cytotoxicity and aiding the liver in combating toxins: https://www.scirp.org/pdf/abb_2014022011164230.pdf

Sugar and Honey are not the same thing, most honorable @sdifox

Let us agree on that and bring the discussion to a close. This is not a win/lose competition. I just want everyone to realize that moderate honey consumption is beneficial for the human body and its health.

The study you cite uses DOX on rats. That's a chemotherapy drug and they were applied to young healthy rats.

The study would thus be irrelevant for whatever relevant situation of "healing" honey has. If somebody already has cancer and is undergoing chemo, this study applies to rats and healthy rats being fed a poison. If it's to support healing other things, that's not relevant because those mechanisms were not bothered with in the study.

A young healthy organism is going to handle a sugar bomb much better than a diabetic or cancer patient, because in both situations, the increase in blood sugar is a bad effect. It causes damage and even cancer in diabetics. Cancer cells thrive off glucose and radioactive glucose is used to help detect cancer because they gobble resources much faster than normal cells.

 

[igor_kavinski]

You see that? In 100g of honey there are 82g of carbohydrates. Out of those 82g, 0.2g is dietary fiber. Rest is sugar.

I can't believe you cannot read that...

https://cales.arizona.edu/backyards/sites/cals.arizona.edu.backyards/files/b13fall_pp11-13.pdf

Check the sections on digestion of honey and glycemic index. Calling honey sugar is wrong coz the chemical structure is different and they are digested differently by the body. Sugar exacts more of a toll on the body before it can be utilized for energy.

 

[igor_kavinski]

If it's to support healing other things, that's not relevant because those mechanisms were not bothered with in the study.

Another one: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18211352/

HbA1c levels were significantly reduced, and HDL-cholesterol significantly increased, in honey-fed compared with rats fed sucrose or a sugar free diet

 

[sdifox]

sure, ignore the fact that 80+ percent of honey is sugar. Let's look at other things...

 

[igor_kavinski]

sure, ignore the fact that 80+ percent of honey is sugar. Let's look at other things...

Sugar refers to table sugar which is sucrose.

 

[Heartbreaker]

sure, ignore the fact that 80+ percent of honey is sugar. Let's look at other things...

And most of the remainder is just water.

Honey only has trace elements. You'd get more phenolic compounds from a cup of black tea, with none of the sugar.

The studies all seem to be from the middle east, likely in support of local honey production...

Eating 70g of Honey, may be slightly better than 70g of table sugar, but even better would be having none of either and black cup of tea/coffee.

I drink all my tea/coffee black without creamers/sweetener. The only sweetener I use is "Black Strap Molasses", but I use that rarely ( like once/month I might add a teaspoon to my oatmeal).

Blackstrap molasses has actual functional amounts of some vitamins/minerals, not just trace amounts, and it's higher in antioxidants as well.

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But I still stress, that I would not Add any sweetener for nutrition purposes. It's best to reduce sweetener usage.

 

[Torn Mind]

https://cales.arizona.edu/backyards/sites/cals.arizona.edu.backyards/files/b13fall_pp11-13.pdf

Check the sections on digestion of honey and glycemic index. Calling honey sugar is wrong coz the chemical structure is different and they are digested differently by the body. Sugar exacts more of a toll on the body before it can be utilized for energy.

I'm sure cereal with its added powdered multivitamin supplement(because that's what they literally do, even down to pure iron flakes) is going to produce better numbers than drinking Coca-cola or pure sugar water(you will become deficient in everything but energy if you do a Coke diet while cereal will at least get you by for your first 20-30 years). Vitamins do matter but that's all these studies prove about honey. That organisms need more than just energy sources to function well.

 

[RPD]

This thread... wow..

 

[Greenman]

Time to pick the scab of this one.

My pure honey test is buying from a local producer that everyone around here knows. The honey isn't blended, so it varies in color and flavor throughout the year.
I love the stuff, as long as I don't think about it as bee puss. Just thinking that makes my skin crawl.

 

[igor_kavinski]

bee puss

Bee puke, not pus.

 

[pete6032]

In the running for thread of the year.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I'm eating honey these days by putting it on my palm and licking it off. Now I know why Winnie the Pooh is addicted to honey