Younger me wasn't smart enough to understand

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Homosexuality used to be a disorder, perhaps I phrased it tongue in cheek, but what type of currently deviant behavior will be considered normal next?

It's never been deviant. Have you ever studied Greek/Roman culture? Or medieval European culture?

 

[Pliablemoose]

The APA dropped homosexuality from the DSM III in 1973, it was considered a legit diagnosis...

Removal from the DSM In 1973, the weight of empirical data, coupled by changing social norms and the development of a politically active gay community in the United States, led the Board of Directors of the American Psychiatric Association to remove homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). Their decision was supported in 1974 by a vote of the membership.

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[docmanhattan]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Homosexuality used to be a disorder, perhaps I phrased it tongue in cheek, but what type of currently deviant behavior will be considered normal next?

It's never been deviant. Have you ever studied Greek/Roman culture? Or medieval European culture?

that's untrue. it's been both. deviance is subjective at best and defined relative to the time inwhich you're comparing it.

 

[gopunk]

even if being gay was a disorder, why would it matter? it's their own disorder, it's not contagious... it would be like if they had MS or something. you don't see us getting all angry at jerry's kids...

 

[docmanhattan]

Originally posted by: gopunk
even if being gay was a disorder, why would it matter? it's their own disorder, it's not contagious... it would be like if they had MS or something. you don't see us getting all angry at jerry's kids...

i get angry when i see people using MS.

 

[fluxquantum]

Next time they do it just slap them silly you big brute!

LMAO!

 

[Red Dawn]

Yes, Red, it is ok and normal. Gay people have been around as long as heterosexuals. If you were around in Romans time, even you probably would have tasted pecker too.

Et Tu Brutus? There has always been abnormality in nature. Leave it to some Bunghole Mounties to declare it normal.

I'm sure to a gay guy the thought of a vagina is disgusting,

Yeah but it can't be as disgusting as getting your Shiit pushed in.

 

[Lucky]

It's never been deviant.

It certainly IS deviant.

1 : to stray especially from a standard, principle, or topic
2 : to depart from an established course or norm

 

[YetioDoom]

Originally posted by: docmanhattan
YetioDoom, Do you live in a cave off the tip of point?

There are LGB flyers all over. Take a peek at a kiosk once in a while. I think what GoBadgers is getting at is that it's not as though there's a herterosexual parade. There aren't "hetero" dances and while one can claim that the "regular" dances or events are inherantly exclusionary of the LGB community, I would argue that at this point and especially at Madison, it's a self-imposed exclusion more than it is a the other way around.

Originally posted by: YetioDoom

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
Now I am sure that you are all here and ready to flame (no pun intended), but listen to my point. I have almost no problem with gay people. I think that their choice of lifestyle is disgusting, but if that's what they want, more power to them. My problem with them, is that esp on my campus, UW madison, they get all proud about it and shove it in my face. My feelings are if you are gonna be gay, then be gay but I don't want to hear about it or know about it. I dont go running around shoving into gay peoples faces that I am a heterosexual. As far as the whole judgement/god thing thats for him to sort out after they die, assuming he exists. I just was wondering what some of your inputs were on the matter of why gays and lesbians feel it manditory to shove their homosexuality in the face of all other heterosexuals. In my opinion, it causes a lot of extra problems for them.

Gobadgrs -

I've been going to UW for 4 years, and have lived in Madison my whole life, and I must say that I have never once seen homosexuality "shoved" in my face. Where on campus have you seen these displays? at the bars? in a dorm? on state street? around the capitol? I can' t say that in my 22 years of existence I've ever even seen a gay couple in Madison...

Doc -

Not in a cave, just on the engineering campus

As for "hetero" events, I don't see them as being at all neccesary. We grew up going to dances where each boy was matched up with a girl. With 10% dances, maybe they help closeted gays realize that there are others like them out there, and they aren't alone.

Most of the stuff that Gobadgrs feels is being shoved in HIS face is actually trying to be shoved into the faces of other gays who may be confused about their feelings and what not.

 

[Jfur]

Originally posted by: McPhreak
While we're on the subject of gays...this question has always been on my mind:

Why is it that gay men are always so neat (as in tidy, mind you). Have you ever seen a gay man that was a complete slob? Or had long, unkept hair?

I just find it so strange that their lifestyles are all so similar. I read this article once in the Village Voice about this guy describing his apartment and I read something about how he cooks these elaborate dishes, and for some reason, the thought of "I wonder if he's gay" came up into my mind (This is of course not to say that all guys that can cook are gay. It was just the way the man managed to put it in words). Sure enough, near the end of the article, he mentions that he lives with his male companion and I just thought it so weird that you read about some guy's lifestyle without even looking at him or knowing him and come up with a notion of his sexual orientation.

There are tons of fat, gay slobs. Trust me, I have met them. People seem to think most or all gay men are feminine and talk in a high voice, like musicals, cooking, etc. Many of the gay people I know look and act more masculine than the average guy, and you would never know that the guy in the shower next to you has a boyfriend. Another misconception is that gay men will find you (if you are male) attractive. Many guys here can hardly get a female date, what makes you think the gay men are lusting after you (ok, maybe it happens on occassion, but most of you are not being hounded by gay admirers) the "gay lifestyle" is a culture that some gay people pick up on for a sense of community or to communicate their preferences (in this case about something that could quite literally get them killed). Just like all of the young white or asian, upper-middle class "ganstas" you see runnning around.

 

[Red Dawn]

Just like all of the young white or asian, upper-middle class "ganstas" you see runnning around.

They are just latent homsexuals.

 

[SilverThief]

Yea I just got 3 threads locked up and one deleted in about 15 minutes. It would be nice if the Mods left me a note why, so I could stop making whatever mistake I am making.

You keep posting.

 

[LiekOMG]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Yes, Red, it is ok and normal. Gay people have been around as long as heterosexuals. If you were around in Romans time, even you probably would have tasted pecker too.

Et Tu Brutus? There has always been abnormality in nature. Leave it to some Bunghole Mounties to declare it normal.

I'm sure to a gay guy the thought of a vagina is disgusting,

Yeah but it can't be as disgusting as getting your Shiit pushed in.

Being gay has nothing to do with anal intercourse. Not all gay men have anal sex. Actually, less than 50% of gay men do. Some gay men actually find it disgusting too.

 

[beatniks3]

just posting as another madison voice. I don't think there is any 'flaunting' of gayness in this town, there are too many beer-drinkin badgers that do & would talk sh*t to them if they did. I think that the gay community in madison as a whole has come to terms with who they are & are just trying to get along like everyone else. If you think that is flaunting, then all I can say is perhaps you are thinking along the lines of the grass is always greener in someone else's lawn...

and I just wanted to say that the funniest thing I've read all day was the reply in this thread suggesting that there be more 'hetero' pride/activities, esp. in this town with the bars stretching from the capital to campus on state st. (everyone come visit madison at least once in the summer time or early fall, unique place)//

always nice to see madison represented in this forum

 

[Jfur]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Just like all of the young white or asian, upper-middle class "ganstas" you see runnning around.

They are just latent homsexuals.

I won't argue with that.

 

[Red Dawn]

Being gay has nothing to do with anal intercourse. Not all gay men have anal sex. Actually, less than 50% of gay men do. Some gay men actually find it disgusting too

So when you pick up a dude how do you know whether he is an Anal Astronaut or a Bone Smoker?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Being gay has nothing to do with anal intercourse. Not all gay men have anal sex. Actually, less than 50% of gay men do. Some gay men actually find it disgusting too

So when you pick up a dude how do you know whether he is an Anal Astronaut or a Bone Smoker?

maybe hes just a meat manipulator?

 

[Jfur]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Being gay has nothing to do with anal intercourse. Not all gay men have anal sex. Actually, less than 50% of gay men do. Some gay men actually find it disgusting too

So when you pick up a dude how do you know whether he is an Anal Astronaut or a Bone Smoker?

I assume the same way you find out if a female likes it up the a$$ or is willing to blow. I've seen you all try many variations of that , so develop your own personal style

 

[LiekOMG]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Being gay has nothing to do with anal intercourse. Not all gay men have anal sex. Actually, less than 50% of gay men do. Some gay men actually find it disgusting too

So when you pick up a dude how do you know whether he is an Anal Astronaut or a Bone Smoker?

Hmm not really sure. I guess you can compare it to women - not all like oral sex. So I guess you just have to hope when you find a mate that they either like/dislike it. And some might be perfectly fine with abstaining from doing it.

 

[Red Dawn]

assume the same way you find out if a female likes it up the a$$ or is willing to blow.

Yeah but there is a third Judeo/Christian option when you deal with a female, not that lip service is not normal (unless you are some uptight turn off the lights Fund a Mental Case like John Asscroft)

 

[Jfur]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

assume the same way you find out if a female likes it up the a$$ or is willing to blow.

Yeah but there is a third Judeo/Christian option when you deal with a female, not that lip service is not normal (unless you are some uptight turn off the lights Fund a Mental Case like John Asscroft)

Well, a whole lot of women don't like to open those doors, either. So it's still a good comparison.

 

[LiekOMG]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

assume the same way you find out if a female likes it up the a$$ or is willing to blow.

Yeah but there is a third Judeo/Christian option when you deal with a female, not that lip service is not normal (unless you are some uptight turn off the lights Fund a Mental Case like John Asscroft)

Blah!! You changed it from "normal"!!

 

[Red Dawn]

Well, a whole lot of women don't like to open those doors, either. So it's still a good comparison.

What ever. Homo's should have all the same rights as Hetro's but that still doesn't change the fact that hetro's (which are the vast majority) find their (The Homo's) sexual practices abnormal and extremely disgusting. You can yell to your blue in the face saying they are normal but we will still cringe when Homo's, especially those with Johnsons, talk about making each other their "love pin cushions".

 

[Jfur]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Well, a whole lot of women don't like to open those doors, either. So it's still a good comparison.

What ever. Homo's should have all the same rights as Hetro's but that still doesn't change the fact that hetro's (which are the vast majority) find their (The Homo's) sexual practices abnormal and extremely disgusting. You can yell to your blue in the face saying they are normal but we will still cringe when Homo's, especially those with Johnsons, talk about making each other their "love pin cushions".

hee hee, I never pictured you as conservative

 

[Red Dawn]

hee hee, I never pictured you as conservative

I'm not. I'm also not a Liberal nor am I PC.