You have to give the French admiration...

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7951949.stm


A lot of people like to poke fun at the French for constantly protesting. We tend to think it is entirely because they are lazy bitches, incapable of working hard. Hell there have been some posts about this laziness before. I also have a friend who did EAP in Switzerland two years back and he told me that one of the professors emphasized that they must turn in HW no matter what or they will not pass; he later asked, "why did you make such a point about that? Isn't it obvious that you need to do HW?" and the professor told him jokingly, "A lot of the French Kids tend to think that simply showing up to every class entitles them an A". I can't claim to know the truth, although I think the truth is that some French work hard, and some are lazy bitches. Much like any other country.

However, when it comes to politics, they are willing to take a LOT more action against their government than we are. I see ourselves as more lazy within this regard - we will bitch, yet when it comes to go out, protest, and actually come through with actions a lot of us entirely fall short.

At least when they bitch, even if you don't agree with why they are bitching, they follow through with it. IMO that is one of the most important methods to ensure that the government is paying attention to the social welfare of the people --> make the govt hurt by by striking and crippling services (This tactic doesn't work in very many 3rd world countries however...because the governments do not fully rely on the people). Isn't that what democracy is supposed to be? Isn't that what vigilance is about?

I can't say I agree or disagree (French politics isn't my focus) but coming out in force against their government until they are satisfied is definitely one quality I wish we had. Repub, Demo or 3rd party...I think we just like to talk than actually take action


New nationwide strike hits France
Protesters rally in Marseilles, France (19 March 2009)
Rallies are taking place in towns and cities throughout France

Hundreds of thousands of French workers have begun protests across the country during a nationwide strike.

Schools are closed and public transport is being disrupted, with demonstrations organised in about 200 towns.

Unions are opposing President Nicolas Sarkozy's economic policies. Unemployment has reached two million and is expected to rise further.

Organisers predict the protest will be bigger than one in January, when more than a million people took part.

Union members marched towards Nation in Paris behind a banner that read: "United against the crisis, defend employment, spending power and public services."

Police said there were about 85,000 people at the rally, according to the AFP news agency.

"They have a profound sense of social injustice, and that, I think, is something that neither the government nor the employers have understood," said Jean-Claude Mailly, head of the large Force Ouvriere union.

Marches are also being held in Marseille, Lyon, Grenoble and many other towns and cities.

It is the second time in two months that major demonstrations have been held, following a similar display in January.

Beleaguered industries

The strikes began on Wednesday evening with staff on transport networks.

The national rail operator, SNCF, cancelled 40% of high-speed trains and half of regional services.

A third of flights out of Paris's Orly airport have been cancelled, while a tenth of France's electricity output has been shut down with workers on strike.

However, buses and the Metro rail system in Paris were running normally, thanks to a new law enforcing a minimum transport service during strikes,.

But with many schools and public buildings shut for the day, the number of workers travelling into the capital was reduced.

Private-sector firms were also expecting a depleted workforce, with staff from the beleaguered car industry, oil and retail sectors taking part in the strike.

Rising unemployment

The unions say the 26bn euro ($35bn; £24.5bn) stimulus package for France's struggling economy, unveiled by President Nicolas Sarkozy in December, does not go far enough.

An employee assists commuters at Gare Saint-Lazare train in Paris (19 March 2009)
French commuters face a limited rail service because of the strike

A further 2.4bn euros ($3.2bn; £2.3bn) of measures, including tax breaks and social benefits, presented by President Sarkozy after January's strike has failed to placate them.

They want him to increase the minimum wage and scrap his plans to cut public-sector jobs.

Recent polls show three-quarters of French people support the strikers.

Many commuters on Thursday said they backed the action, but hoped it would be short-lived.

"Fundamentally I agree, but too much is too much," one was quoted as saying. "There are strikes in the transport sector too often and we have to put up with them."

President Sarkozy said on Wednesday that he "understands the concerns of the French people" but has ruled out plans for further measures.

Unemployment is likely to shoot up to 10% in the next 12 months with a further 350,000 lay-offs expected by the end of this year.

Many people are angry that big companies like the oil giant Total is making staff redundant while simultaneously announcing record profits, the BBC's Emma Jane Kirby in Paris says.
 

Atreus21

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Perhaps instead of protesting, they might actually spend the time looking for a job.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Atreus21
Perhaps instead of protesting, they might actually spend the time looking for a job.

Are you kidding. The only people who protest are hippies.
 

brandonbull

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Originally posted by: Atreus21
Perhaps instead of protesting, they might actually spend the time looking for a job.

They are waiting for the government to issue them with one. If we don't start kicking those California idiots out of congress, we will end up the same way.

 

StageLeft

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It is in their culture to protest. It is in Americans' culture to whine about it at work and on the internets but do nothing else. I agree it's nice to see visible dissent, though.
 

OCGuy

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I dont admire them at all.

The only reason they have the right and ability to protest is because the US, British, and Russians lost thousands and thousands of young men.
 

daniel49

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meh, let your French president get you off the national teat. Your country will be stonger for it.
 

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
I dont admire them at all.

The only reason they have the right and ability to protest is because the US, British, and Russians lost thousands and thousands of young men.
And Canadians and others. Still, why not respect that they are using what rights they have?

 

MovingTarget

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
I dont admire them at all.

The only reason they have the right and ability to protest is because the US, British, and Russians lost thousands and thousands of young men.

...and the French themselves didn't? Generally getting mowed over by German tanks will do that to anyone. :confused:

Also, how is WW2 relevant here? Couldn't they claim the same thing about our Revolutionary war?

I admire them for making their voices heard. It seems that as a nation, we have forgotten how to properly and effectively raise a stink when something needs fixing...
 

freegeeks

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
I dont admire them at all.

The only reason they have the right and ability to protest is because the US, British, and Russians lost thousands and thousands of young men.

one of the reason why you can call yourself American is because of French assistance during your struggle for independance.
And stop using the achievements of one of the greatest generations of Americans for your lame French bashing.
 

Double Trouble

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The fact that they are willing to take real steps to achieve things instead of just complaining is admirable, but unfortunately their entitlement mentality makes them protest for the most stupid things. We want everything provided for us dammit! We don't want to have to work for anything! Protest! ;)
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
I dont admire them at all.

The only reason they have the right and ability to protest is because the US, British, and Russians lost thousands and thousands of young men.

one of the reason why you can call yourself American is because of French assistance during your struggle for independance.
And stop using the achievements of one of the greatest generations of Americans for your lame French bashing.

I think I remember a similar one right before WWII where we did the same thing. If only I could think of the name...


History is not "bashing". The French are some of the most xenophobic assholes on the plant. That is bashing, but with good reason.
 

freegeeks

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
I dont admire them at all.

The only reason they have the right and ability to protest is because the US, British, and Russians lost thousands and thousands of young men.

one of the reason why you can call yourself American is because of French assistance during your struggle for independance.
And stop using the achievements of one of the greatest generations of Americans for your lame French bashing.

I think I remember a similar one right before WWII where we did the same thing. If only I could think of the name...


History is not "bashing". The French are some of the most xenophobic assholes on the plant. That is bashing, but with good reason.

it's funny that you are using achievements of previous generations to make your point. Americans are the only people doing this all the time. You never see Canadians, Australians or New Zealanders doing this. I guess Americans like you lack the intellectual capabilities to discuss the subject "France" without using WWII.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: freegeeks

it's funny that you are using achievements of previous generations to make your point. Americans are the only doing this all the time. You never see Canadians, Australians or New Zealanders doing this. I guess Americans like you lack the intellectual capabilities to discuss the subject "France" without using WWII.


When I can still talk to a family member who served, it isnt exactly "ancient history."

I know its "cool" in liberal circles to like the French, but I have yet to find a reason. The country is beautiful, the people are worthless.

And I dont frequent primarily Canadian, Australian, or NZ message boards, so to be honest, I dont know what they talk about or why. Im not really sure that is relevant.

 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
I dont admire them at all.

The only reason they have the right and ability to protest is because the US, British, and Russians lost thousands and thousands of young men.

one of the reason why you can call yourself American is because of French assistance during your struggle for independance.
And stop using the achievements of one of the greatest generations of Americans for your lame French bashing.

I think I remember a similar one right before WWII where we did the same thing. If only I could think of the name...


History is not "bashing". The French are some of the most xenophobic assholes on the plant. That is bashing, but with good reason.

it's funny that you are using achievements of previous generations to make your point. Americans are the only doing this all the time. You never see Canadians, Australians or New Zealanders doing this. I guess Americans like you lack the intellectual capabilities to discuss the subject "France" without using WWII.


When I can still talk to a family member who served, it isnt exactly "ancient history."

I know its "cool" in liberal circles to like the French, but I have yet to find a reason. The country is beautiful, the people are worthless.

And I dont frequent primarily Canadian, Australian, or NZ message boards, so to be honest, I dont know what they talk about or why. Im not really sure that is relevant.

It's funny you calling others worthless because when i read your post, i think the same way about you!
 

freegeeks

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
I dont admire them at all.

The only reason they have the right and ability to protest is because the US, British, and Russians lost thousands and thousands of young men.

one of the reason why you can call yourself American is because of French assistance during your struggle for independance.
And stop using the achievements of one of the greatest generations of Americans for your lame French bashing.

I think I remember a similar one right before WWII where we did the same thing. If only I could think of the name...


History is not "bashing". The French are some of the most xenophobic assholes on the plant. That is bashing, but with good reason.

it's funny that you are using achievements of previous generations to make your point. Americans are the only doing this all the time. You never see Canadians, Australians or New Zealanders doing this. I guess Americans like you lack the intellectual capabilities to discuss the subject "France" without using WWII.


When I can still talk to a family member who served, it isnt exactly "ancient history."

I know its "cool" in liberal circles to like the French, but I have yet to find a reason. The country is beautiful, the people are worthless.

my grandfather also fought in WWII and then joined the resistance when the Belgian army was defeated so I still don't get your point how this is relevant in a discussion thread about a French labour issue. My point is that flagwaving partisan hack idiots like you always parrot the same line whenever they see the word French. It's like Godwin's law

it's pathetic
 

Martin

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Yeah, Americans love to portray themselves and headstrong individualist rebels, but when it comes to their government, they're amongst the most pliable and obedient people out there. As others have mentioned, protest is viewed as something only hippies do, and something that should definitely not be disruptive to work and be done out of out and out of mind.

The stale political system is surely partly to blame - the idea of an angry populace bringing down a government is a completely foreign concept whereas in a country like France where this happens every now and then, the people are much more willing to threaten their government, and the government is much more conscious of how their policies will be accepted by the people.

 

freegeeks

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
I dont admire them at all.

The only reason they have the right and ability to protest is because the US, British, and Russians lost thousands and thousands of young men.

one of the reason why you can call yourself American is because of French assistance during your struggle for independance.
And stop using the achievements of one of the greatest generations of Americans for your lame French bashing.

I think I remember a similar one right before WWII where we did the same thing. If only I could think of the name...


History is not "bashing". The French are some of the most xenophobic assholes on the plant. That is bashing, but with good reason.

it's funny that you are using achievements of previous generations to make your point. Americans are the only doing this all the time. You never see Canadians, Australians or New Zealanders doing this. I guess Americans like you lack the intellectual capabilities to discuss the subject "France" without using WWII.


When I can still talk to a family member who served, it isnt exactly "ancient history."

I know its "cool" in liberal circles to like the French, but I have yet to find a reason. The country is beautiful, the people are worthless.

And I dont frequent primarily Canadian, Australian, or NZ message boards, so to be honest, I dont know what they talk about or why. Im not really sure that is relevant.

there are plenty of Canadian members on this board and I never seen them using Canadian involvement in WWII in a thread about something French. I frequent different forums and like I said before, only flagwaving American idiots use this punch line all the time
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: freegeeks

there are plenty of Canadian members on this board and I never seen them using Canadian involvement in WWII in a thread about something French. I frequent different forums and like I said before, only flagwaving American idiots use this punch line all the time


The fact that you do not see the irony in that post makes me think you do not know much about the French.


They are the most nationalistic, xenophobic people on this planet.
 

freegeeks

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: freegeeks

there are plenty of Canadian members on this board and I never seen them using Canadian involvement in WWII in a thread about something French. I frequent different forums and like I said before, only flagwaving American idiots use this punch line all the time


The fact that you do not see the irony in that post makes me think you do not know much about the French.


The are the most nationalistic, xenophobic people on this planet.

and this coming from an idiot who has a flag as his avatar
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: freegeeks

there are plenty of Canadian members on this board and I never seen them using Canadian involvement in WWII in a thread about something French. I frequent different forums and like I said before, only flagwaving American idiots use this punch line all the time


The fact that you do not see the irony in that post makes me think you do not know much about the French.


They are the most nationalistic, xenophobic people on this planet.

Don't worry, we have the GOP to balance this out.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: freegeeks

there are plenty of Canadian members on this board and I never seen them using Canadian involvement in WWII in a thread about something French. I frequent different forums and like I said before, only flagwaving American idiots use this punch line all the time


The fact that you do not see the irony in that post makes me think you do not know much about the French.


The are the most nationalistic, xenophobic people on this planet.

and this coming from an idiot who has a flag as his avatar


Yes, instead of discussing the issue, discuss my avatar.

You can tell just how out of touch you are because you think displaying your flag is somehow a bad thing.

Have you seen what the rest of the world does at football matches? LOL.
 

freegeeks

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: freegeeks

there are plenty of Canadian members on this board and I never seen them using Canadian involvement in WWII in a thread about something French. I frequent different forums and like I said before, only flagwaving American idiots use this punch line all the time


The fact that you do not see the irony in that post makes me think you do not know much about the French.


The are the most nationalistic, xenophobic people on this planet.

and this coming from an idiot who has a flag as his avatar


Yes, instead of discussing the issue, discuss my avatar.

You can tell just how out of touch you are because you think displaying your flag is somehow a bad thing.

Have you seen what the rest of the world does at football matches? LOL.

I live 50 km from the French border and I deal with French people all the time. I think that my view of the average French is somewhat more realistic then your opinion that is based on what Limbough and Hannity told you.

You are just the typical flagwaving idiot
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: freegeeks

I live 50 km from the French border and I deal with French people all the time. I think that my view of the average French is somewhat more realistic then your opinion that is based on what Limbough and Hannity told you.

You are just the typical flagwaving idiot


Ah, so you identify with them, thus the defensiveness. Maybe you are too far into the forest to see the trees?

You gloss over anything relevant with the topic, and just add in personal jabs, assumptions, and insults.

But being proud of your country is not an insult.

Uh oh, what is this? Belgian football violence?

What is with all the provincial and nationalistic flag-waving? Were you involved?

http://www.ibtimes.com/article...ly-200-after-riots.htm