you guys i gotta admit, i'm a bit spooked over this whole Russian/Crimea situation..

[theeedude]

I read an article earlier today that said the initial sanctions are just a step to (paraphrased) "get Russia to make a serious diplomatic effort instead of just doing whatever he wants trying to antagonize into military response"

The article said the next step they will take is to sanction Russian banks unless Putin comes to the table

Initial sanctions were in March after Crimea, these are new sanctions after Putin "came to the table" with help to separatists in Eastern Ukraine.

 

[Genx87]

Going after the oligarchy first will get pressure put on Putin. If he ignores it then hit their banks.

 

[AViking]

The election was 6 weeks ago. This ratcheting up sounds great as a sound bite is doing nothing.

Politicians don't appear to be motivated by results.

 

[theeedude]

Going after the oligarchy first will get pressure put on Putin. If he ignores it then hit their banks.

I guess they forgot to ask Khodorkovsky how much pressure the Russian oligarchs can put on Putin. People seem to confuse the cause and effect of Putin being in power and his friends being oligarchs.

 

[AViking]

Khodorkovsky lost $15 billion dollars to Putin. What are you talking about? That whole thing was a sham.

 

[theeedude]

Khodorkovsky lost $15 billion dollars to Putin. What are you talking about? That whole thing was a sham.

That's the point. Oligarchs don't have the means to pressure Putin in Russia. Khodorkovsky tried, and didn't get very far. So this idea of sanctioning oligarchs to pressure Putin is a pipe dream.

 

[AViking]

That could very well be true. I think bankrupting Russia is the way to go though. The people are the only ones who can get rid of him.

 

[theeedude]

That could very well be true. I think bankrupting Russia is the way to go though. The people are the only ones who can get rid of him.

Are you going to start riding bicycle to work to crash the oil prices?
I am doing just that, but not working so far.:biggrin:

 

[AViking]

Well I live in the center of Stockholm so I don't need to drive

 

[Harvey]

We shouldn't have had in oar at the time all this shi@@ started in Ukraine. We pour money down the drain since then

Since you don't have the balls to tell us you're posting from Russia, exactly WHO do you mean by "WE," Русский мудак? :thumbsdown:

 

[Daverino]

Since you don't have the balls to tell us you're posting from Russia, exactly WHO do you mean by "WE," Русский мудак? :thumbsdown:

I suppose this is a sign of Anandtech forum's increasing presence in the international dialogue, that RT interns have taken to posting in P/N.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Americans are self-absorbed. All we care about is stuff like american idol, facebook, how much money we are making, stock market,,,.

[usual blather snipped]

Womens rights movement has pointed women towards professional careers. If the men go off the fight, who is going to do the manual labor? Do you really think women will be leaving their office jobs for a manual labor job?

How would the femenist movement react if women were called to do manual labor jobs? Someone needs to help build the refineries, ships, planes,,,.

Like this modern American woman?

In Vietnam blacks and poor people were drafted. Would society tolerate that kind of discrimination again?

Some statistics:

76% Of the men sent to Vietnam were from lower middle/working class backgrounds

Three fourths had family incomes above the poverty level; 50% were from middle income backgrounds..

Some 23% Of Vietnam Vets had fathers with proffessional, managerial, or technical occupations.

79% Of the men who served Vietnam had a high school education or better when they entered the military service. (63% Of Korean War Vets and only 45% of WW II Vets had completed high school upon separation).

• 88.4% Of the men who actually served in Vietnam were Caucasian; 10.6% (275,000) were Black; 1% belonged to other races.​
• 86.3% Of the men who died in Vietnam were Caucasian (Includes Hispanics); 12.5% (7,241) Were Black; 1.2% Belonged to other races.​
• 170,000 Hispanics served in Vietnam; 3,070 (5.2% Of total) died there.​
• 70% Of enlisted men killed were of Northwest European Descent.​
• 86.8% Of the men who were killed as a result of hostile action were Caucasian; 12.1% (5,711) Were Black; 1.1% Belonged to other races.​
• 14.6% (1,530) Of Non-Combat deaths were among Blacks.​
• 34% OF Blacks who enlisted volunteered for the combat arms.​
• Overall , Blacks suffered 12.5% of the deaths in Vietnam at a time when the % of Blacks of military age was 13.5% of the total population. ​

http://www.veteranshour.com/vietnam_war_statistics.htm

 

[MongGrel]

How would the femenist movement react if women were called to do manual labor jobs? Someone needs to help build the refineries, ships, planes,,,.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50qSV_F-nAE

 

[unokitty]

... In Vietnam blacks and poor people were drafted. Would society tolerate that kind of discrimination again?

Didn't notice society having any problem with me getting drafted in Dec '69.

Uno

 

[bradly1101]

Ahhhh. The return of the fear we had from the '50s to the ' 70s. The nostalgia is as memorable as it is frightful. Time to remember how far I am from a first - strike target. Dust off them missiles Vlad. Slim Pickens has one just for you. Yee haw!

 

[dmcowen674]

you guys i gotta admit, i'm a bit spooked over this whole Russian/Crimea situation..

this is the first time in a while, something in the news has really got my attention...

it's actually kind of the lack of news that's scaring me...

the big picture.. Russia's not gonna stop you guys.. i'm afraid they're gonna take all of Ukraine in the next couple of weeks, and i'm afraid, we might retalliate.. that's what i'm really afraid of. if we retalliate, directly, or by proxy (maybe finland, or another baltic state) i'm afraid there could be a domino effect and before we know it shit could actually get quite serious..

i hate be a doom porner.. but this time, man read between the lines here, it's critical. and i dont know how quickly it could escalate to some kind of crazy ass america war time scenario like we havent seen since desert storm or worse.

i've also noted an INSANE amount of internet censorship over this entire fiasco as well, reddit, twitter, even google, it seems are all being censored actively right now.. the propoganda is completely out of control.

Dude

It's all pre-planned, sit back and watch man make re-peating history of war.

The war machine must be fed, people must die.

 

[MongGrel]

Ahhhh. The return of the fear we had from the '50s to the ' 70s. The nostalgia is as memorable as it is frightful. Time to remember how far I am from a first - strike target. Dust off them missiles Vlad. Slim Pickens has one just for you. Yee haw!

Pretty much, I was in the service in the cold war days.

The B-52s are still around but upgraded, as are the Minuteman III's

Not that I'd think anyone ever gonna use em, too many Walmarts and Cadillac plants in China these days, among other things.

 

[cyclohexane]

Wtf are you talking about? There is no internet censorship conspiracy. Otherwise your ass would already be locked up for talking about Crimea. I swear people like you see conspiracy everywhere.

 

[zanejohnson]

Nothin gonna happen
/thread

this is kinda what im talking about itt..

im teetering between...... nothing gonna happen..... and shits on the way to the fan..

that's whats scary to me.

 

[Nebor]

this is kinda what im talking about itt..

im teetering between...... nothing gonna happen..... and shits on the way to the fan..

that's whats scary to me.

So you wouldn't find it scary if you knew it was going to go hot in 36 hours? It's just the uncertainty of not knowing that frightens you? But certain doom would comfort you?

 

[zanejohnson]

So you wouldn't find it scary if you knew it was going to go hot in 36 hours? It's just the uncertainty of not knowing that frightens you? But certain doom would comfort you?

nah shit at least then i could prepare!

 

[OCGuy]

Ahhhh. The return of the fear we had from the '50s to the ' 70s. The nostalgia is as memorable as it is frightful. Time to remember how far I am from a first - strike target. Dust off them missiles Vlad. Slim Pickens has one just for you. Yee haw!

That is my point. The threat has never been gone.

Good ol' drunken Boris Yeltsin saved the world after the 70's. The Russian early warning system detected a US first strike, and his generals told him he had to launch.

He obviously did not.

It is insane how sheltered kids are these days as far as global politics. The flat out dismissal of a full exchange (which is how our race will die eventually) is just as crazy as the idiot in a bomb shelter saying it will happen tomorrow.

 

[sportage]

Yeah its funny Obama's overall approval polls are down while his individual ratings on the poll issues he was given high marks.

I like your food, I like your atmosphere, I like your prices, I like your location, but I HATE your restaurant. WTF ???

In the Obama poll, most like and approve of his handling of the Crimea situation.
But yet he is given overall poor ratings.

I think people just want this shock and awe war thing with Russia.
Lets face it, we are immune to war.
We are protected from war reality.
We don't see the dead flag draped returning back to the US.
We don't see the actual war devastation.

Yes... we as a country are very well protected and insulated from the horrors of war.
All we see are the pretty bright lights from the bombs in the night sky.
And the CNN reporters all hyperventilated over the thrill of the attack.

So its no wonder people want to see the pretty lights of war again.
Want to see the US kick around Putin and his rotten red commie country.
Want to see Obama royally kick some red ass.
And so, people feel we are missing out on something fun and shiny and with pretty lights, so they give Obama bad marks.
Archie Bunker called that the meat head mentality.

So we sit on our couch playing our Xbox, with CNN in the side box, and everyone wants a war.

Well... This war would be different.
First of all, you'd... YES YOU'D... would have to get off your butt and switch off your Xbox because you'd most likely would be DRAFTED!
Hey? Got your attention yet?
Ask your old war vet about the draft.
Ask them, exactly how does that draft thing work uncle Fred?

And then, consider the personal inconvenience.
Outrageous gas prices here at home.
Outrageous food prices here at home.
Huge rise in unemployment here at home, because if food is expensive and gas is expensive
it takes gas to get the food to the store.
And we all know how one thing leads to another.
And suddenly jobs disappear big time.

And people thought we could have another fun war?
Like the Bush wars?
Think again...
This would be different. MUCH different.
This would be one war our nation could not just couch potato ignore.
Or sit on the sidelines with CNN and your Xbox.
America would FEEL this war big time, if it should and does happen.

And Obama gets bad marks?
Some people really are meat heads.....

 

[pcgeek11]

I find it interesting that you would even mention Vietnam. We lost that war.

Actually Congress gave it up through micromanagement.

USA doesn't need another war for anyone else. Europe and Baltic States needs to grow some balls and take care of their own.

 

[bradly1101]

That is my point. The threat has never been gone.

Good ol' drunken Boris Yeltsin saved the world after the 70's. The Russian early warning system detected a US first strike, and his generals told him he had to launch.

He obviously did not.

It is insane how sheltered kids are these days as far as global politics. The flat out dismissal of a full exchange (which is how our race will die eventually) is just as crazy as the idiot in a bomb shelter saying it will happen tomorrow.

I wonder where those missiles have been aimed all these years, and if that's changing.