You dig vista?

[Henny]

It's OK but it seems like it has more "bling" then substantive features. It's also quite the resource hog.

It does seem more responsive then XP.

I absolutely hate that annoying UAC box. It nags you like crazy but it's easy to turn off.

Biggest problem is lack of H/W driver support. (ex: Canon Powershot A40!!!)

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Incidentally Hyperblaze, if you or your friend have Vista Ultimate or Vista Business, you can also make the Admin account behave like Win2000/XP while leaving the non-Admin account with the UAC elevation option.

To do that:

1) Start > type gpedit.msc in the Search box, hit Enter. You should get Group Policy Editor in a window.

2) Drill down to Local Computer Policy > Computer Configuration > Windows Settings > Security Settings > Security Options.

3) In the right-hand pane, scroll down to the bottom and you've got the option to set

User Account Control: Behavior of the elevation prompt for administrators in Admin Approval Mode

to Elevate without prompting.

Again, not recommended due to loss of some security.

Hope that helps give you more options for having your cake and eating it too

Very good post mech, but can I just propose a new rule?

When someone gripes about UAC we should simply reply, "You can turn it off if you want." and that's all. If they are too stupid to figure it out then they are the ones it was really designed to protect...mind you some need it's protection that can still figure it out.

:thumbsup:

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Henny
Biggest problem is lack of H/W driver support. (ex: Canon Powershot A40!!!)

I've got a PowerShot A40 and Vista has a native driver. Works right out of the gate.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Henny
Biggest problem is lack of H/W driver support. (ex: Canon Powershot A40!!!)

I've got a PowerShot A40 and Vista has a native driver. Works right out of the gate.

Sometimes I wonder if I have a magical copy of Vista or something. I've had almost no problems with any hardware or software. A few very small issues that even if they never got fixed I'd still prefer Vista to XP. I wonder how people end up with all these problems that never seem to affect me?

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Henny
Biggest problem is lack of H/W driver support. (ex: Canon Powershot A40!!!)

I've got a PowerShot A40 and Vista has a native driver. Works right out of the gate.

Sometimes I wonder if I have a magical copy of Vista or something. I've had almost no problems with any hardware or software. A few very small issues that even if they never got fixed I'd still prefer Vista to XP. I wonder how people end up with all these problems that never seem to affect me?

same here...except for a few minor problems I've had with my rigs that have Nvidia Video cards in them, every other rig of mine that I have put vista on to has worked flawlessly...especially the rig in my sig.

 

[jazzpicker]

Originally posted by: ksaajasto
who would say that vista sucks??????? WHYY????? its so much better

I would say it really sucks.
This weekend I innocently upgraded to a faster hard drive after the vista performance advisor gave my hard drive a low grade. I had recenty, despite a bad gut feeling, purchased and installed windows vista home prem full version for a short time I figured install the hard drive, call the validation phone number after the install and back in business. errrrrr.......
Vista/microsoft saw my new hard drive as a major pirating attempt and shot something into my computer that disabled it in the last minute of the installation process. I tried re-validation and got a message that my program has been revalidated but why is that message still in the lower right corner of the screen that "this is not a valid copy"?? Geez, I bought it at staples and have the receipt!!
I was unable to download updates or do anything with the computer. The next morning I was on the phone with tech support and they had no answers....they couldn't resolve the problem.
I devised a workaround , format the hard drive, put the program in the box attach the receipt and get a refund. Back to safe and sane XP with a smile. God bless Staples!!

Microsoft has stepped over the line being able to take control of one's computer.
Sorry for the long post but don't let the nice box and beautiful interface fool you.

 

[Henny]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Henny
Biggest problem is lack of H/W driver support. (ex: Canon Powershot A40!!!)

I've got a PowerShot A40 and Vista has a native driver. Works right out of the gate.

Thanks. My first attempt did not recognize my A40 and then I did a search and found there was no Vista support.

Did you simply plug it in and have Vista automatically detect it? I don't care about all the Canon apps. I just want to quickly import images from the camera without removing the card.

I'll try it again tonight.

 

[Pabster]

Henny, yes, I just popped it in to a USB port and away it went. Vista reported "Canon Powershot A40 Installed" and away it went. The Canon apps suck so yeah, you won't miss them.

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: mechBgon
Incidentally Hyperblaze, if you or your friend have Vista Ultimate or Vista Business, you can also make the Admin account behave like Win2000/XP while leaving the non-Admin account with the UAC elevation option.

To do that:

1) Start > type gpedit.msc in the Search box, hit Enter. You should get Group Policy Editor in a window.

2) Drill down to Local Computer Policy > Computer Configuration > Windows Settings > Security Settings > Security Options.

3) In the right-hand pane, scroll down to the bottom and you've got the option to set

User Account Control: Behavior of the elevation prompt for administrators in Admin Approval Mode

to Elevate without prompting.

Again, not recommended due to loss of some security.

Hope that helps give you more options for having your cake and eating it too

Very good post mech, but can I just propose a new rule?

When someone gripes about UAC we should simply reply, "You can turn it off if you want." and that's all. If they are too stupid to figure it out then they are the ones it was really designed to protect...mind you some need it's protection that can still figure it out.

:thumbsup:

In Hyperblaze's case, I saw some merit in defusing the Vista-takes-away-my-options rage going on there. But all in all, I think you're right. Will do :thumbsup:

Oh and personally I :heart: UAC. Now put some econo-UAC into SP3 for WinXP, just sandbox Internet-facing apps at Limited-user level! I bet the bad guys would be seething :evil:

 

[Maximilian]

I :heart: Virtual PC, look this is awsome!

Aw i wish link19 was around i would really like to show him that.

 

[fire400]

Vista ain't my thing. I'd rather go XP64 than Vista anyday. Not a big fan of OS upgrades, I'd just rather have something that isn't too fancy, but looks stylish, XP32 and XP64 are the way to go. Hell, I'd rather go 2000 than Vista.

Vista looks cool, but not enough to make me jump for it. Good luck~

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: jazzpicker

Originally posted by: ksaajasto
who would say that vista sucks??????? WHYY????? its so much better

I would say it really sucks.
This weekend I innocently upgraded to a faster hard drive after the vista performance advisor gave my hard drive a low grade. I had recenty, despite a bad gut feeling, purchased and installed windows vista home prem full version for a short time I figured install the hard drive, call the validation phone number after the install and back in business. errrrrr.......
Vista/microsoft saw my new hard drive as a major pirating attempt and shot something into my computer that disabled it in the last minute of the installation process. I tried re-validation and got a message that my program has been revalidated but why is that message still in the lower right corner of the screen that "this is not a valid copy"?? Geez, I bought it at staples and have the receipt!!
I was unable to download updates or do anything with the computer. The next morning I was on the phone with tech support and they had no answers....they couldn't resolve the problem.
I devised a workaround , format the hard drive, put the program in the box attach the receipt and get a refund. Back to safe and sane XP with a smile. God bless Staples!!

Microsoft has stepped over the line being able to take control of one's computer.
Sorry for the long post but don't let the nice box and beautiful interface fool you.

Ouch The Microsoft people are usually very helpful in resolving situations like that, aggravating though it might be. Give Vista another go-round later this year or early next, sorry to hear about your problems. Btw, Stash is the resident Vista genius here Best of luck ..

 

[stash]

Nah, I'm just a security and identity management (AD) genius

Smilin used to work in the PSS Setup team, so he probably knows more about these types of issues. I don't know what the new metrics are for how much weight each piece of hardware is given for activation, but generally a new hard drive is a significant upgrade w.r.t. activation. I suspect that you would have a similar experience if you upgraded the hard drive on XP.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: jazzpicker

Originally posted by: ksaajasto
who would say that vista sucks??????? WHYY????? its so much better

I would say it really sucks.
This weekend I innocently upgraded to a faster hard drive after the vista performance advisor gave my hard drive a low grade. I had recenty, despite a bad gut feeling, purchased and installed windows vista home prem full version for a short time I figured install the hard drive, call the validation phone number after the install and back in business. errrrrr.......
Vista/microsoft saw my new hard drive as a major pirating attempt and shot something into my computer that disabled it in the last minute of the installation process. I tried re-validation and got a message that my program has been revalidated but why is that message still in the lower right corner of the screen that "this is not a valid copy"?? Geez, I bought it at staples and have the receipt!!
I was unable to download updates or do anything with the computer. The next morning I was on the phone with tech support and they had no answers....they couldn't resolve the problem.
I devised a workaround , format the hard drive, put the program in the box attach the receipt and get a refund. Back to safe and sane XP with a smile. God bless Staples!!

Microsoft has stepped over the line being able to take control of one's computer.
Sorry for the long post but don't let the nice box and beautiful interface fool you.

or you could have clean installed and then called MS to get them to validate it. Or there are work arounds for everything.

Also how the hell did you get any retailer to take it back for a refund? Usually everyone is very very strict on OS and Business software refunds because you can install it, use the key and then just get money back (copy the disk maybe too).

 

[jazzpicker]

I was suprised too but fortunately I bought the program at Staples. After the installation disaster, I called and talked directly to the store manager and he admitted that he'd seen problems with Vista. I got a full refund without questions. I think that Microsoft will even refund their products for a certain period of time. (including software)
I don't think vista is a program that you can make copies and use the same number etc. It's like having microsoft living in your computer.
I have to admit that I liked the Vista interface but for my computing needs XP suits me much better. I'm always tinkering, changing parts and don't want microsoft's permission to enjoy my hobby. There is a point where validation becomes counterproductive and invades the users private territory and I think vista has done that now. Another thing my benchmark scores are about 10-15% higher on XP.
I'm not an "anti microsoft" user but after this experience I can see there is a problem with this validation/registration system.

 

[jazzpicker]

Originally posted by: stash
Nah, I'm just a security and identity management (AD) genius

Smilin used to work in the PSS Setup team, so he probably knows more about these types of issues. I don't know what the new metrics are for how much weight each piece of hardware is given for activation, but generally a new hard drive is a significant upgrade w.r.t. activation. I suspect that you would have a similar experience if you upgraded the hard drive on XP.

With XP, I would have to call and re-register the numbers. The difference in XP and Vista is that Vista can literally disable your computer if it detects someting different and XP doesn't have that power. I read somewhere that anything over a new video card will require you to re validate your program. I'm not sure that's true.
It's a bad feeling to have this program to take control of your computer at 4am after you've been formatting and installing all night and the bed is calling your name!!!
The time is really right for someone to come along with a new operating system option. I'd jump ship in a heartbeat.

 

[stash]

You should be able to call and revalidate with Vista too. I have no idea why you weren't able to though.

 

[bsobel]

The difference in XP and Vista is that Vista can literally disable your computer if it detects someting different and XP doesn't have that power.

More FUD, there is no truth to this statement. When not activated, Vista will actually allow you to do MORE than XP (e.e.g launch a browser to try and fix the issue vs not log in).

 

[jazzpicker]

Originally posted by: stash
You should be able to call and revalidate with Vista too. I have no idea why you weren't able to though.

I did call and got the revalidation robot and sucessfully revalidated the program on line but on the lower corner of my screen were the words "this is not a valid program" despite an apparent revalidation. I called back and pressed "o" trying to get a live person but was unable. Microsoft has since told me there is someone there 24 hrs/day. When trying to get security downloads I would get error message 800736cc.
According to microsoft, things should work the same way as xp on a full vista program but for me things didn't work at all.

 

[gizbug]

its ok

 

[zod96]

Tried vista hated it, my games ran like crap and it would ctd quite a bit. File transfers take forever and deleting a file takes forever. The only thing vista has going for it is it looks prettier than xp and that's it, I'll be on xp for as long as I can...

 

[MBrown]

I finally got it to run stable. Its not to bad now.

 

[KoolDrew]

Been running Vista for months now without any issues. Definitely like it a lot.

 

[Scooby Doo]

It was ok, it's not like "the end of the world" earth shattering wonderful. It booted fast, ran fast. UAC is rather annoying, couldn't that at least put "always allow" geez. Start menu took some time reordering, but I guess it was ok. Driver issues, mostly on the hard drive controller was deal-killing. I have to stored away waiting for driver updates, someday.

Edit: mind you, if I can fix that, I'll be back to Vista in a heartbeat.