Sounds like a classic case of PEBKAC.
If he is incompetent with Vista I'd hate to see him at a Linux box.
Sounds like a classic case of PEBKAC.
If he is incompetent with Vista I'd hate to see him at a Linux box.
Don't you wish
no. It's a case of restrictive control. He might not be much of a system admin but I am. He's annoyed by the stupid confirmation dialog boxes but can survive though them. I guess I'm just so used to the lack of restrictions that seeing them drives me up the wall.
True, he has never touched Linux, and it's his choice if he wants to go there. However, I"m sure he would be completely competent on a Linux box. It's really not as difficult as you make it sound like. They are both point and click systems. Just one actually gives you full control over everything if you want it, while the other one always wants to confirm every action (At least from what i've seen)
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If you like the old WinXP/2000 style of Admin/non-Admin, you could disable UAC on Vista, and just set up both root and user accounts on it. But you lose some security that way.Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
Don't you wish
no. It's a case of restrictive control. He might not be much of a system admin but I am. He's annoyed by the stupid confirmation dialog boxes but can survive though them. I guess I'm just so used to the lack of restrictions that seeing them drives me up the wall.
True, he has never touched Linux, and it's his choice if he wants to go there. However, I"m sure he would be completely competent on a Linux box. It's really not as difficult as you make it sound like. They are both point and click systems. Just one actually gives you full control over everything if you want it, while the other one always wants to confirm every action (At least from what i've seen)
Oh, and yeah, I think Vista's fairly good. The security enhancements seem timely. I'm curious to see how the bad guys react... will they mainly try to milk the installed base of WinXP/2000 systems for as long as they can, or will they try to break out of Vista's containment measures?
Originally posted by: mechBgon
If you like the old WinXP/2000 style of Admin/non-Admin, you could disable UAC on Vista, and just set up both root and user accounts on it. But you lose some security that way.Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
Don't you wish
no. It's a case of restrictive control. He might not be much of a system admin but I am. He's annoyed by the stupid confirmation dialog boxes but can survive though them. I guess I'm just so used to the lack of restrictions that seeing them drives me up the wall.
True, he has never touched Linux, and it's his choice if he wants to go there. However, I"m sure he would be completely competent on a Linux box. It's really not as difficult as you make it sound like. They are both point and click systems. Just one actually gives you full control over everything if you want it, while the other one always wants to confirm every action (At least from what i've seen)
Oh, and yeah, I think Vista's fairly good. The security enhancements seem timely. I'm curious to see how the bad guys react... will they mainly try to milk the installed base of WinXP/2000 systems for as long as they can, or will they try to break out of Vista's containment measures?
How do you disable it? Would love to know.
mechBgon
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To disable UAC, you'd go to Control Panel > User Accounts and Family Safety > User Accounts, and the toggle is in there.Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
Originally posted by: mechBgon
If you like the old WinXP/2000 style of Admin/non-Admin, you could disable UAC on Vista, and just set up both root and user accounts on it. But you lose some security that way.Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
Don't you wish
no. It's a case of restrictive control. He might not be much of a system admin but I am. He's annoyed by the stupid confirmation dialog boxes but can survive though them. I guess I'm just so used to the lack of restrictions that seeing them drives me up the wall.
True, he has never touched Linux, and it's his choice if he wants to go there. However, I"m sure he would be completely competent on a Linux box. It's really not as difficult as you make it sound like. They are both point and click systems. Just one actually gives you full control over everything if you want it, while the other one always wants to confirm every action (At least from what i've seen)
Oh, and yeah, I think Vista's fairly good. The security enhancements seem timely. I'm curious to see how the bad guys react... will they mainly try to milk the installed base of WinXP/2000 systems for as long as they can, or will they try to break out of Vista's containment measures?
How do you disable it? Would love to know.
(anyone considering this, be informed that you lose significant security benefits by disabling UAC!)
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Incidentally Hyperblaze, if you or your friend have Vista Ultimate or Vista Business, you can also make the Admin account behave like Win2000/XP while leaving the non-Admin account with the UAC elevation option.
To do that:
1) Start > type gpedit.msc in the Search box, hit Enter. You should get Group Policy Editor in a window.
2) Drill down to Local Computer Policy > Computer Configuration > Windows Settings > Security Settings > Security Options.
3) In the right-hand pane, scroll down to the bottom and you've got the option to set
User Account Control: Behavior of the elevation prompt for administrators in Admin Approval Mode
to Elevate without prompting.
Again, not recommended due to loss of some security.
Hope that helps give you more options for having your cake and eating it too
To do that:
1) Start > type gpedit.msc in the Search box, hit Enter. You should get Group Policy Editor in a window.
2) Drill down to Local Computer Policy > Computer Configuration > Windows Settings > Security Settings > Security Options.
3) In the right-hand pane, scroll down to the bottom and you've got the option to set
User Account Control: Behavior of the elevation prompt for administrators in Admin Approval Mode
to Elevate without prompting.
Again, not recommended due to loss of some security.
Hope that helps give you more options for having your cake and eating it too
mechBgon
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Oh, and one more tip: if you want to do ipconfig type of stuff from the command line, just go to Start > All Programs > Accessories and right-click the Command Prompt. Choose Run As Administrator from the right-click menu, answer one UAC prompt, and now you're cookin' with gas
Originally posted by: Soviet
Well thats something we can work on then huh
It's not that I can't...I'm an MSDN subscriber, and we have an action pack....I'm still waiting for the compelling reason to pull me off my linux box.
so far so good my only complaint is that my video card fan is stuck on high speed mode and have to be tuned down manually to an acceptable noise level (with little effects to temp). haven't tried any games yet but then I'm trying to step away from them
my only complaint is that my video card fan is stuck on high speed mode and have to be tuned down manually to an acceptable noise level (with little effects to temp). haven't tried any games yet but then I'm trying to step away from them 
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Originally posted by: dighn
so far so good
Ive tried quite a few games and im very impressed. The big myth that many games wont work on 64 bit seems like crap to me, if you started gaming during 1995 or later theres a good chance that all or most of your games will work.
Ive had less trouble with c&c 95/red alert 1 on vista than on XP, this is the first decade pack though and i havent extensively played it so the same bugs may remain. Sounds a bit poorer than before though.
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A few things (like getting webcams to work) is flaky at best in Vista (x64 here), but generally it's a solid OS.
edit: I could not manage to get either a MS webcam or a logitech one to work in Vista so i gave up for now. I'm running xp again. When I can use my webcam (I need this functionality) I will use vista again. Maybe in a few months when there are more mature drivers for my video card and webcam etc.
edit: I could not manage to get either a MS webcam or a logitech one to work in Vista so i gave up for now. I'm running xp again. When I can use my webcam (I need this functionality) I will use vista again. Maybe in a few months when there are more mature drivers for my video card and webcam etc.
As Mech pointed out, admins are not admins on Vista (all the time). You can also the ipconfig release/renew stuff (without a UAC prompt) by right clicking on the network icon and choosing diagnose.
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Originally posted by: Noema
Originally posted by: Soviet
I dont know i downloaded it from a random site. I have an opty 170 which apparently dosent support virtulization. Not that i would know how to work it anyways
You don't need hardware support for virtualization. Sure, it's nice, but you can run it via software just fine. It's just emulation, really.
You can try both Microsoft's Virtual PC 07 and VM Ware
...they are both easy to install and run...I suggest you give the a shot.
If my Athlon 64 3200+ can handle it, surely your Opteron can.
And both also run under XP (and VM Ware also runs under Linux)
Wow... just got VPC 07 working there with a windows 98 ISO. That is the most awsome thing ive seen in ages!! This is just like the time i learned mega drive games can be played on pc, its windows 98! IN A WINDOW! I am rivited lol. Fantastic, the days of dual boot are over! Woo hoo!
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Originally posted by: Arkaign
Have it, boot into it very little. Would like a poll option of 'indifferent'
Same here. It is OK. I am a bit bummed that my Audigy is so poorly supported and am waiting for some productivty software I use to get upgraded to support Vista.
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Originally posted by: stash
Lol, you just discovered virtualization and the first thing you is load a Win9x VM??
Enjoy dude
Hell yeah, simcity 2000 in vista sort of here we go!
ultimate works very well on my system, all my games run smooth, apps are instantanious.
if only vlite would come out of beta i'd be happy
if only vlite would come out of beta i'd be happy
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cmdrdredd
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I started having little issues today with it taking a long time to restart or shutdown, sometimes not starting up at all and requiring multiple resets and swaps of BIOS settings (xp works fine). Don't understand it. I think it just needs more time for updates and little driver issues to be smoothed out.
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I had similar problems at first. For me it was a matter of removing older drivers and startup items. Removing Office XP quick lauch helped a LOT. Some games (Supreme Commander, Dark Messiah, etc.) still create issues, but I expected that. I get about 30-seconds for cold boots and about 6-seconds waking from sleep mode now.
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