You can't make this stuff up

[Moonbeam]

- So? These people have a vote and "elections have consequences" yes? Isn't Donald Trump president? Did all the prior bellyaching make a difference?

My argument is that fighting these people A) validates their belief in dirty libs ruining everything/talking down from their ivory towers and B) reinforces the cycle of the Donald Trumps of the world setting policy, getting us further from our desired goal.

Storm in a teacup internet arguments and insults are nice, but they pale in comparison to letting these people reap what they sow (Ag pun intentional).

4 billion years of evolution gave us pain, Nature's best teacher: when it hurts something is wrong and you shouldn't keep doing what you're doing. Let's see if the "heartland" voter gets the message.

You seem to think you have to be actively involved for this to happen.

 

[Linux23]

Elections have consequences, try winning for a change.

and this right here, is why we fail as a human race. sad

 

[Perknose]

Just post where I made the claim. Have at it Vic-tim.

You should read . . .

Shortened that for you, Vic, to get at his underlying problem.

 

[Jhhnn]

and this right here, is why we fail as a human race. sad

Yep. More of the same from the GOP-

Thomas Pyle, president of the Institute for Energy Research, a think tank that supports fossil fuels, dismissed concerns about the changes. “Apparently it seems the enviros still don’t understand that elections have consequences,” he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/11/...n=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection

Which translates into "We be fucking you, and all the fools who voted for us, too." Taj just parrots it, imagining that he's one of the guys doing the fucking.

 

[interchange]

For some reason the original link won't open for me, so I'm not sure what Obama era environmental reg got rolled back here, but after a while I feel inclined to not feel bad about it and let it happen.

I live in a very blue state that will basically always have stricter environmental regs than the federal government will standardize. If red state folks want to live in irradiated landfills dotted with oil derrecks then why should I really try and stop them?

Libs need to let people suffer the consequences of their own actions. By swooping in and saving people from themselves, the downward cycle of regressive conservatism is perpetually reinforced.

This coming from the party whose leadership just now for the first time said climate change was a hoax, although he still thinks it might not be man made.

Listen. Your party is proving to you why government intervention, to some reasonable degree, is absolutely necessary to protect the planet.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

This coming from the party whose leadership just now for the first time said climate change was a hoax, although he still thinks it might not be man made.

Listen. Your party is proving to you why government intervention, to some reasonable degree, is absolutely necessary to protect the planet.

- Right, which is why it is up to us living in blue states to support initiatives we have control over and show the visible short term benefit or lower the cost of entry for some technologies so they can become more widespread. We can lead them to the water, but we cannot make them drink.

Solar Panels were just some hippy garbage 10-15 years ago, but as their cost has plummeted and people hear "in Soviet America, power company pays you to make power" and they see $$$ even ardent anti-hippies sign up and get their house solar'd. They might even support Trump's pro coal initiatives while helping to kill coal themselves.

CC/GW is so insideous because you can't really see it happening, day by day. Good regulations are hard to maintain because when they're working, it looks like they aren't doing anything (because they're working).

All I'm saying is that the occasional regulatory backpedal might not be a bad thing if it reminds people what happens when the things they take for granted aren't in place to keep them safe. One step backwards gets us two steps forward, and closer to our goal.

 

[interchange]

- Right, which is why it is up to us living in blue states to support initiatives we have control over and show the visible short term benefit or lower the cost of entry for some technologies so they can become more widespread. We can lead them to the water, but we cannot make them drink.

Solar Panels were just some hippy garbage 10-15 years ago, but as their cost has plummeted and people hear "in Soviet America, power company pays you to make power" and they see $$$ even ardent anti-hippies sign up and get their house solar'd. They might even support Trump's pro coal initiatives while helping to kill coal themselves.

CC/GW is so insideous because you can't really see it happening, day by day. Good regulations are hard to maintain because when they're working, it looks like they aren't doing anything (because they're working).

All I'm saying is that the occasional regulatory backpedal might not be a bad thing if it reminds people what happens when the things they take for granted aren't in place to keep them safe. One step backwards gets us two steps forward, and closer to our goal.

I would very much like a conscientious review process to measure regulatory benefit and modify or limit regulations which are not effective or efficient. Unfortunately, it's become a political exercise instead. In my view, which I think is on quite solid ground, the Trump admin has made it more political and erred on the side of danger and not protection.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I hope Mother Nature at least gets the curtesy of a reach around first.

Jokes on us. She burps/farts/queefs, or gets a tummy rumbling and she could devastate human life on Earth for decades. You ever watch those zit/cyst popping videos?

Still going after Obama's legacy I see. What a shallow minded, spiteful, spoiled brat he is, and he spends so much of his time proving it over and over and over again.

Yet there he is, a hot mess of a POTUS with the solid backing of a base that's just as shallow minded and spiteful as he is. The more he makes an ass of himself, the more his base does the same defending him.

No way to untangle that little Hell of theirs until Trump gets yanked out of office in such a humiliating fashion that even his most loyal supporters become too embarrassed to mention his name ever again.

Isn't it a shame that we couldn't strike a deal, so that they get their own country and Turmp their President? Everyone ends up happy.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Yep. More of the same from the GOP-



https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/11/climate/epa-disbands-pollution-science-panel.html?rref=collection/timestopic/Environmental Protection Agency&action=click&contentCollection=timestopics&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection

Which translates into "We be fucking you, and all the fools who voted for us, too." Taj just parrots it, imagining that he's one of the guys doing the fucking.

Well at least he has a fitting name. Pyle of...

 

[trenchfoot]

Jokes on us. She burps/farts/queefs, or gets a tummy rumbling and she could devastate human life on Earth for decades. You ever watch those zit/cyst popping videos?



Isn't it a shame that we couldn't strike a deal, so that they get their own country and Turmp their President? Everyone ends up happy.

A good idea on the face of it, however methinks Trump and his chumps must have someone/something to fear and hate on in order to justify their existence for they have no other plausible reason to explain why they are so loyal to him.

Everything that they offer up for why they support Trump is as vapid as Trump's incessant lies and those unfulfilled "campaign promises" he made to them every time he stumped his way through the rust belt. He promised them (low paying) jobs, he promised them huge tax cuts (for the very wealthy), he promised them a much much better health plan (and only made things worse) he promised them a Wall that Mexico would pay for (which Mexico says they never EVER will) and on and on and on.

Ergo, fear and hate the immigrants, fear and hate Obama and his accomplishments, fear and hate Hillary, fear and hate the Democrats, fear and hate Sessions, Rosenstein, Mueller, the FBI, our own intelligence services, our longtime allies, NATO and everything else that Trump tells them to.

If only realized that their support for Trump makes Putin and his oligarch sycophants as well as every other nation who wishes us ill will as happy as they could ever be.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Storm in a teacup internet arguments and insults are nice, but they pale in comparison to letting these people reap what they sow

The problem with your philosophy is that we are talking about people too stupid to understand that reaping and sowing are more than tangentially connected, and even those smart enough to understand that they are at least correlated think that someone else will do the sowing for them and they will buy their groceries at the market. Which would be fine except that no one is sowing.

The consequences are simply too far removed from the choices for mankind to learn from them. Humans have done this over and over again through out our history and we have never learned from it, and we are now getting to the point that the damage done is not just devastating locally but worldwide. You may live in a blue state with good environmental laws but that will not save you if the oceans die or if the entire planet goes into a runaway greenhouse effect.

 

[zinfamous]

For some reason the original link won't open for me, so I'm not sure what Obama era environmental reg got rolled back here, but after a while I feel inclined to not feel bad about it and let it happen.

I live in a very blue state that will basically always have stricter environmental regs than the federal government will standardize. If red state folks want to live in irradiated landfills dotted with oil derrecks then why should I really try and stop them?

Libs need to let people suffer the consequences of their own actions. By swooping in and saving people from themselves, the downward cycle of regressive conservatism is perpetually reinforced.

That's all fine and dandy if we can just eliminate, say, Wyoming's ridiculously unbalanced EC advantage over states like CA. Everyone suffers when moron redneck republicans are given an unequal vote power.

Just look at idiots like Taj--full of righteous rage but literally no clue as to what angers them, or what they do to themselves. They simply do not care that they drink and live in shit on a daily basis, and only due to their own ignorant decisions.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

That's all fine and dandy if we can just eliminate, say, Wyoming's ridiculously unbalanced EC advantage over states like CA. Everyone suffers when moron redneck republicans are given an unequal vote power.

Just look at idiots like Taj--full of righteous rage but literally no clue as to what angers them, or what they do to themselves. They simply do not care that they drink and live in shit on a daily basis, and only due to their own ignorant decisions.

- You guys are preaching to the choir. I understand and believe everything you've just said.

Ever heard the expression "never mud wrestle a pig: you'll both get dirty but the pig'll enjoy it"?

That's what you're dealing with here, people who want the same things as everyone else (from a birds eye view) but are so wrapped up in tribal mentality that the very act of being opposed is reason enough to undertake the self destructive acts that they're being opposed for.

If we get out of the way and hunker down for a spell, they'll at worst subdivide between the folks that want to live and the ones that want to fight, and the ultimate cause that is being supported will be bolstered.

It's not pretty and it hurts because it takes the agency of being the savior and defending the defenseless away from liberals, but it'll get things done (eventually) and sometimes that means doing the hard thing and walking away (this is sounding like a soup of conservative #'s).

I worry that just like the folks being called out, the left becomes more preocupied with being right and less occupied in doing right (whatever the methods).

 

[Jhhnn]

- You guys are preaching to the choir. I understand and believe everything you've just said.

Ever heard the expression "never mud wrestle a pig: you'll both get dirty but the pig'll enjoy it"?

That's what you're dealing with here, people who want the same things as everyone else (from a birds eye view) but are so wrapped up in tribal mentality that the very act of being opposed is reason enough to undertake the self destructive acts that they're being opposed for.

If we get out of the way and hunker down for a spell, they'll at worst subdivide between the folks that want to live and the ones that want to fight, and the ultimate cause that is being supported will be bolstered.

It's not pretty and it hurts because it takes the agency of being the savior and defending the defenseless away from liberals, but it'll get things done (eventually) and sometimes that means doing the hard thing and walking away (this is sounding like a soup of conservative #'s).

I worry that just like the folks being called out, the left becomes more preocupied with being right and less occupied in doing right (whatever the methods).

You conveniently overlook the fact that protecting the environment is an act of self defense at both the local & national level.

 

[Muse]

Elections have consequences, try winning for a change.

For a change? Lipstick on a pig muck-it-up twice divorced, how many times bankrupt, born rich, never had a job in his life that his father didn't give him, illegally built his fortune with daddy's hand-me-down money, refuses to release his tax returns, pussy grabber, "won" one election with less votes than his opponent and with the help of Russian and American criminals and subsequent filthy politics. He's the only excuse his party has for a champion and is as appetizing as rotten meat on a hot day. His (and your) time will come. If you're not yet nervous, you should be. Start looking over your shoulder, ass hole.