You can't have my guns.

[pontifex]

We should outlaw murder, that will stop him cold in his tracks.

or create laws that say guns aren't allowed in certain places. damn, we should be politicians, can't believe no one thought of this before.

 

[IronWing]

Give me your guns.

 

[OverVolt]

No gun lover will ever get over this simple fact: a nutjob with a gun is more deadly than a nutjob without a gun.

Yes, people kill people. Guns are just a tool, but they are a tool that allows mass killing with ease and no physical force. There is no intimacy in the attack, while something like a stabbing is a physically traumatizing thing to do.

And you guys will never figure out that mass killing are like 0.5% of the overall crime picture.

You want to make laws that apply to everyone at large, without considering the data for everyone at large. Just focusing on the one single event.

Places like Chicago, DC, etc. have high crime and are also heavily regulated with regard to firearms.

 

[pontifex]

No gun lover will ever get over this simple fact: a nutjob with a gun is more deadly than a nutjob without a gun.

Yes, people kill people. Guns are just a tool, but they are a tool that allows mass killing with ease and no physical force. There is no intimacy in the attack, while something like a stabbing is a physically traumatizing thing to do and can not be done on the scale of these 10+ killing sprees.

that school in china says differently. wasn't it 22 kids and 1 adult? pretty close #s to what happened in CT, all done with a knife.

 

[shortylickens]

No gun lover will ever get over this simple fact: a nutjob with a gun is more deadly than a nutjob without a gun.

Yes, people kill people. Guns are just a tool, but they are a tool that allows mass killing with ease and no physical force. There is no intimacy in the attack, while something like a stabbing is a physically traumatizing thing to do and can not be done on the scale of these 10+ killing sprees.

As is a nutjob with a car, with a knife, with a club, chainsaw, and poison.

And armed law abiding citizens are more threatening to assailants than unarmed law abiding citizens. Since it is physically impossible to keep guns out of the hands of the bad guys (the 94-04 ban proved that), I'd prefer if the good guys were not defenseless.

 

[tokie]

And you guys will never figure out that mass killing are like 0.5% of the overall crime picture. You want to make laws that apply to everyone at large, without considering the data for everyone at large, as in places like Chicago, DC, etc. have more crime and are also heavily regulated with regard to firearms.

Yes, certain areas are regulated. But people are not restricted from moving. That means some nutjob can order a gun online or buy one in hillybilly country and then just drive into the city.

BAM, that avoids gun control.

What is needed is a house-by-house sweep and removal of all firearms. Only nutjobs have guns.

 

[tokie]

As is a nutjob with a car, with a knife, with a club, chainsaw, and poison.

And armed law abiding citizens are more threatening to assailants than unarmed law abiding citizens. Since it is physically impossible to keep guns out of the hands of the bad guys (the 94-04 ban proved that), I'd prefer if the good guys were not defenseless.

That ignores my point.

A gun is an unintimate way of killing people with no physical effort or feeling. You can stand 10 feet away and shoot someone, walk away and there is no physical exertion.

If you want to stab someone to death: that requires a truly sick person. But even then the victim stands a chance. A gun is like using IDKFA and IDDQD in Doom. It makes it impossible for ordinary people to fight back.

 

[OverVolt]

Yes, certain areas are regulated. But people are not restricted from moving. That means some nutjob can order a gun online or buy one in hillybilly country and then just drive into the city.

BAM, that avoids gun control.

What is needed is a house-by-house sweep and removal of all firearms. Only nutjobs have guns.

The 1938 German Weapons Act
-Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or ownership of firearms and ammunition

I mean you could move to North Korea or something, guns are banned there. Going by what they say on TV its a Utopia of sorts. Its a different argument you're talking about if you go there.

 

[pontifex]

Yes, certain areas are regulated. But people are not restricted from moving. That means some nutjob can order a gun online or buy one in hillybilly country and then just drive into the city.

BAM, that avoids gun control.

What is needed is a house-by-house sweep and removal of all firearms. Only nutjobs have guns.

That ignores my point.

A gun is an unintimate way of killing people with no physical effort or feeling. You can stand 10 feet away and shoot someone, walk away and there is no physical exertion.

If you want to stab someone to death: that requires a truly sick person. But even then the victim stands a chance. A gun is like using IDKFA and IDDQD in Doom. It makes it impossible for ordinary people to fight back.

What a sick sick uninformed and misguided individual.
and now he's quoting stuff from video games...

just because you aren't responsible enough and can't prevent yourself from going on a killing spree with a gun doesn't mean everyone else is.

 

[tokie]

The 1938 German Weapons Act
-Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or ownership of firearms and ammunition

I mean you could move to North Korea or something, guns are banned there. Going by what they say on TV its a Utopia of sorts.

You know what?

I have lived in Canada. No major problems with these guns there, and they only have laws which are slightly more restrictive than American ones.

I have lived in the UK. Guns are effectively banned there, and guess what? NO PROBLEMS.

I have lived in Spain. Guns are effectively banned there, and guess what? NO PROBLEMS.

The problem is that people think it is okay for a normal person in the US to own a gun. That is NOT OKAY.

 

[Geosurface]

So what if someone saw a therapist years ago for depression? They lose their constitutional rights to defend themselves and their family because they sought help but someone who is batshit crazy retains theirs because they didn't?

I'm not sure what level of mental illness people are saying should trigger loss of rights.

What if I want the govt to protect me from dating crazy women by keeping a database of them and making them wear a sign?

Hold me government, hold me. I'm ever so frightened of the world around me.

IMO it is immoral to revoke people's constitutional rights because you think they might do something. It can only be moral to react to what they've actually done.

No one can save you or your kids from random, rare crazy shit. Grow up and accept this and be grateful it is SO rare (it is) or home school them in an underground bunker and cry yourself to sleep every night in a pool of your own piss. I don't give a fuck how you handle your fears but you will NOT handle them by infringing on my rights.

So fuck off.

And btw recap about me:

Never owned a gun
No criminal record not even speeding ticket.
No mental health problems on or off the books.
Zero drug and alcohol use lifelong
Support nearly unlimited access to weapons, ammo and all drugs of all kinds. Access I have no plans to take advantage of if it is granted.

I am uninterested in appeals to consequence, freedom is non-negotiable.

Proper reaction to event like this is nothing whatsoever.

 

[pontifex]

You know what?

I have lived in Canada. No major problems with these guns there, and they only have laws which are slightly more restrictive than American ones.

I have lived in the UK. Guns are effectively banned there, and guess what? NO PROBLEMS.

I have lived in Spain. Guns are effectively banned there, and guess what? NO PROBLEMS.

The problem is that people think it is okay for a normal person in the US to own a gun. That is NOT OKAY.

and there's the issue. the people that misuse guns are not normal people and are not allowed to have guns.

 

[tokie]

and there's the issue. the people that misuse guns are not normal people and are not allowed to have guns.

They aren't allowed to have them, but they have easy access to them.

Why do they have easy access to them?

Because there are a group of crazies in the US called "gun owners" who think guns should flow around the country like water because of some 'constitutional right' which is being interpreted today in no manner relatively close to what was meant.

 

[BladeVenom]

Everyone knows that more guns in the hands of everyone capable of holding one automatically makes society a safe place where no accidents or negligence happens. Obviously we must make sure everyone is provided a firearm at age 18.

That would be the Swiss model. All able bodied men from 20 to 30 have a machine gun at home. Women can to if they want.

Their crime rate is lower than ours. Also, no one invaded them in World War One, or World War Two.

 

[TerryMathews]

So what if someone saw a therapist years ago for depression? They lose their constitutional rights to defend themselves and their family because they sought help but someone who is batshit crazy retains theirs because they didn't?

I'm not sure what level of mental illness people are saying should trigger loss of rights.

What if I want the govt to protect me from dating crazy women by keeping a database of them and making them wear a sign?

Hold me government, hold me. I'm ever so frightened of the world around me.

IMO it is immoral to revoke people's constitutional rights because you think they might do something. It can only be moral to react to what they've actually done.

No one can save you or your kids from random, rare crazy shit. Grow up and accept this and be grateful it is SO rare (it is) or hone school them in an underground bunker and cry yourself to sleep every night in a pool of your own piss. I don't give a fuck how you handle your fears but you will NOT handle them by infringing on my rights.

So fuck off.

And btw recap about me:

Never owned a gun
No criminal record not even speeding ticket.
No mental health problems on or off the books.
Zero drug and alcohol use lifelong
Support nearly unlimited access to weapons, ammo and all drugs of all kinds.

I am uninterested in appeals to consequence, freedom is non-negotiable.

Proper reaction to event like this is nothing whatsoever.

Whether or not you agree with it, that is the current system. Your Medical professional has a unilateral and unchallengable authority to remove your 2A rights.

It was in the news a while back because veterans were being stripped if they received VA financial assistance.

 

[BUTCH1]

The Colorado shooter had a large capacity magazine, and it jammed. They aren't as reliable. If he would have been using normal 20 or 30 round magazines, he would have killed more people. So your "solution" would have helped kill more people.

A start? Anti-gun politicians won't stop. Look at the UK, Mexico, Cuba, North Korea, or any other 3rd world dictatorship.

Unarmed criminals kill more people than assault weapons.

That's ONE case, can we count on large-capacity magazines to fail as a protective measure??, if this nutjob went to that school unarmed do you really think he could kill 20 kids and 6 adults in less than 5 minutes with his bare hands?. I really have no issue with gun collectors or gun ownership and wish they were all handled and locked away but that's not what's been happening, in reality though at this point with gun ownership legal for the last 200+ year's there are so many weapons around already I doubt banning anything would increase public protection at all, cat's kinda out of the bag on this one..

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

They aren't allowed to have them, but they have easy access to them.

Why do they have easy access to them?

Because there are a group of crazies in the US called "gun owners" who think guns should flow around the country like water because of some 'constitutional right' which is being interpreted today in no manner relatively close to what was meant.

Other countries have more violence and shootings than the good ole US of A. Fact.

 

[Farmer]

No gun lover will ever get over this simple fact: a nutjob with a gun is more deadly than a nutjob without a gun.

Yes, people kill people. Guns are just a tool, but they are a tool that allows mass killing with ease and no physical force. There is no intimacy in the attack, while something like a stabbing is a physically traumatizing thing to do and can not be done on the scale of these 10+ killing sprees.

Let me ask you a question: are killing sprees perpetrated by nutjobs a major component of violent gun crime in America, hence making them the necessary focus of legislation aimed at crime reduction?

I'll give you the answer: No. They are just widely covered by the media.

As I have always said, the effectiveness of strict gun control in other nations has no correlation with effectiveness in the US. Evidence? For all the countries with strict gun control, for every country you deem "NO PROBLEM," there is one with many problems. Not to mention the number of countries which ISSUE a weapon to every citizen, and still experience very low gun crime rates.

 

[OverVolt]

That's ONE case, can we count on large-capacity magazines to fail as a protective measure??, if this nutjob went to that school unarmed do you really think he could kill 20 kids and 6 adults in less than 5 minutes with his bare hands?. I really have no issue with gun collectors or gun ownership and wish they were all handled and locked away but that's not what's been happening, in reality though at this point with gun ownership legal for the last 200+ year's there are so many weapons around already I doubt banning anything would increase public protection at all, cat's kinda out of the bag on this one..

Not with his hands but I'm sure if he was sick enough in the head he would have come up with something, maybe even worse.

 

[pontifex]

They aren't allowed to have them, but they have easy access to them.

Why do they have easy access to them?

Because there are a group of crazies in the US called "gun owners" who think guns should flow around the country like water because of some 'constitutional right' which is being interpreted today in no manner relatively close to what was meant.

how do you know what it was meant? the supreme court seems to think it means what gun owners think it means. who are you to go against the supreme court?

why are you you calling gun owners crazies? what makes them crazy? i don't get it. you have this irrational fear of guns just like every anti i have ever seen. have you ever handled a gun? shot a gun? I'm guessing not.

 

[BladeVenom]

You know what?

I have lived in Canada. No major problems with these guns there, and they only have laws which are slightly more restrictive than American ones.

There are a 107 countries with higher homicide rates than the US. They all have less guns than we do.

 

[tokie]

Other countries have more violence and shootings than the good ole US of A. Fact.

From the 1980s:

Per-capita the United States is the only developed country with this disgusting level of murder.

These figures are just as bad today. This shows it is a continuous problem and not something that has happened recently.

There is a sick mindset among some Americans and this is the evidence of it.

 

[mrrman]

I sure hope that there is a MAJOR change in the way guns are bought and registered..if guns arent registered, I would like to see them removed and detroyed from the owners no matter what country you live in

 

[Geosurface]

Because there are a group of crazies in the US called "gun owners" who think guns should flow around the country like water because of some 'constitutional right' which is being interpreted today in no manner relatively close to what was meant.

My fiancee's father lives on a nice plot of rural land in Connecticut with her mother, and he has a cabinet with no fewer than 7 rifles and shotguns right in the living room next to the front door.

They're sort of in the middle of nowhere but also not, it's a very affluent semi-rural community.

He likes to take one of his shotguns or rifles out every morning at about 5am with their black lab and hunt pheasant, ducks, etc. They live in an area with a lot of wildlife and he has a very short walk before he can do this, either on his own plot of land or in some general use areas nearby.

He served our country for years as an officer on a submarine (many years more than I served as an enlisted peon on a submarine much more recently) he's earned the right to own those guns and be a "gun owner" (why the quotes?) and not have anyone infringe upon that.

My own parents both grew up on farms in rural Nebraska and hunting, and guns were a fundamental part of their upbringing. They both still have a couple. My father has a rifle and a pistol, I believe. I don't think either one of them has fired a weapon in decades.

My father served this country during Vietnam era, and his father during WWII.

Your ignorance or lack of connection with the "gun owner" culture and way of life is your right, but you will not be allowed to translate it into infringing on anyone's rights. Deal with it and fuck off.

And if I decide to apply for a pistol permit here in Connecticut to defend my home and the life of myself and my fiancee from some fucking thug deciding to break in some time, I'll damned well do it if I please.

As it stands now I've never owned a gun, but we'll see.

 

[OverVolt]

You know what?

I have lived in Canada. No major problems with these guns there, and they only have laws which are slightly more restrictive than American ones.

I have lived in the UK. Guns are effectively banned there, and guess what? NO PROBLEMS.

I have lived in Spain. Guns are effectively banned there, and guess what? NO PROBLEMS.

The problem is that people think it is okay for a normal person in the US to own a gun. That is NOT OKAY.

Thats great and all, now back to the correlation between unarmed citizens and tyranny.