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You can't have my guns.

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tokie said:
From the 1980s:

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Per-capita the United States is the only developed country with this disgusting level of murder.
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Have you considered poverty rate? Have you considered ethnic heterogeneity? Have you considered the thousands of other issues that go into this?

No, just blame it on gun legislation.
 
BUTCH1 said:
That's ONE case, can we count on large-capacity magazines to fail as a protective measure??, if this nutjob went to that school unarmed do you really think he could kill 20 kids and 6 adults in less than 5 minutes with his bare hands?
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If he would have used explosives, he could have done it in one second.

If he would have killed a 100 people over the course of several years with an axe, would that make you feel better? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Dzhumagaliev
 
pontifex said:
how do you know what it was meant? the supreme court seems to think it means what gun owners think it means. who are you to go against the supreme court?

why are you you calling gun owners crazies? what makes them crazy? i don't get it. you have this irrational fear of guns just like every anti i have ever seen. have you ever handled a gun? shot a gun? I'm guessing not.
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You have crazies voting. Crazies vote in crazies (e.g. the ninja vagina that attacks sperm).

These crazies then have a role in getting other people who share their views appointed to the Supreme Court.

Hardly a model of jurisprudence. The fact that there are 'liberal' and 'conservative' appointees is disgusting and not at all a model of jurisprudence.
 
Has everyone talking about guns ever used one? Hopefully.

(besides the people who say they own one obviously)
 
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tokie said:
From the 1980s:

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Per-capita the United States is the only developed country with this disgusting level of murder.

These figures are just as bad today. This shows it is a continuous problem and not something that has happened recently.

There is a sick mindset among some Americans and this is the evidence of it.
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Well you cherry pick handgun deaths only, and we have the most handguns, so derp.
 
kazaam said:
Has everyone talking about guns ever used one? Hopefully.
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Definitely not, which is why it angers me somewhat: people who are anti-gun usually have never used, held, or even seen a gun, nor have they be educated about responsible gun use and ownership. Usually, their only exposure to firearms have been through the media, whether it be TV, films, video games, etc.

There is such as thing as fair, fact-based gun control.

The emotionally charged, knee-jerk gun control policy that is usually proposed (and it seems, advocated by many on these boards), is NOT that.
 
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tokie said:
You have crazies voting. Crazies vote in crazies (e.g. the ninja vagina that attacks sperm).

These crazies then have a role in getting other people who share their views appointed to the Supreme Court.

Hardly a model of jurisprudence. The fact that there are 'liberal' and 'conservative' appointees is disgusting and not at all a model of jurisprudence.
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here you go again talking batshit craziness - "the ninja vagina that attacks sperm"

wtf are you going on about? can you talk in an adult manner? bringing in video game stuff and weird ninja vaginas.
 
OverVolt said:
Well you cherry pick handgun deaths only, and we have the most handguns, so derp.
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No shit. That's the point. These handguns shouldn't be out there.

Ordinary citizens should not have access to tools of mass murder which even an infant can use.

That infringes on the security of the person for others. By giving people the right to own guns you are reducing the personal security of others.

I don't like giving out rights that remove other peoples rights.
 
When I hear the words "gun-control", what does that mean? An outright ban on handguns? Ban on all guns?

The inventory of firearms in the United States is so much higher than that of other countries that I don't believe anyone can point to another country and talk about their gun related homicide statistics. I don't think we can compare countries to the United States at all. Our culture is different, specifically gang culture, and the situations are just not comparable.

I do see the rational of thinking that some of these people would not be able to murder so many people if they couldn't get a gun....but do you think they would just give up and not do anything? Is it not possible that they just make a few pipe bombs instead?
 
Farmer said:
Have you considered poverty rate? Have you considered ethnic heterogeneity? Have you considered the thousands of other issues that go into this?

No, just blame it on gun legislation.
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:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Some of the most peaceful places on Earth are also the least "diverse." This isn't a coincidence.

People are tailored by nature itself to trust and feel more comfortable around people like themselves.

So we can either take measures to scale back diversity, try fruitlessly to get rid of guns (and even if we succeeded other lethal methods would be used), or just accept the rate of violence having such a diverse country entails and be glad it's not higher.

Most realistic is the last one.
 
One of the most disgusting things about shootings like what happened here in CT yesterday is how much power those crazy murderous fucks have. The power to end so many lives so quickly. To ruin so many other lives with so much sorrow and loss.

The last thing I'm interested in doing is giving these fuckers even MORE power which is what you do when you let their rare, isolated actions impact the freedoms and lives of the entire nation.

So fuck that.
 
mrrman said:
I sure hope that there is a MAJOR change in the way guns are bought and registered..if guns arent registered, I would like to see them removed and detroyed from the owners no matter what country you live in
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I sure hope that there is a MAJOR change in the way computers are bought and registered..if computers arent registered, I would like to see them removed and detroyed from the owners no matter what country you live in

i mean why not? people use them for all nefarious purposes - child porn, theft, prostitution, drug sales, scamming, hate crimes, etc.
 
tokie said:
No shit. That's the point. These handguns shouldn't be out there.

Ordinary citizens should not have access to tools of mass murder which even an infant can use.

That infringes on the security of the person for others. By giving people the right to own guns you are reducing the personal security of others.

I don't like giving out rights that remove other peoples rights.
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but you want to remove my rights so other people can have rights? huh???

definitely never handled a gun if he thinks an infant can use one. lol
 
Homicide rate per 100,000 people:
Honduras 91.6
El Salvador 69.2
Côte d'Ivoire 56.9
Jamaica 52.2
Venezuela 45.1
Belize 41.4
U.S. Virgin Islands 39.2
Guatemala 38.5
Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2
Zambia 38.0
Uganda 36.3
Malawi 36.0
Lesotho 35.2
Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
Colombia 33.4
South Africa 31.8
Congo 30.8
Central African Republic 29.3
Bahamas 27.4
Puerto Rico 26.2
Saint Lucia 25.2
Dominican Republic 25.0
Tanzania 24.5
Sudan 24.2
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9
Ethiopia 22.5
Guinea 22.5
Dominica 22.1
Burundi 21.7
Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7
Panama 21.6
Brazil 21.0
Equatorial Guinea 20.7
Guinea-Bissau 20.2
Kenya 20.1
Kyrgyzstan 20.1
Cameroon 19.7
Montserrat 19.7
Greenland 19.2
Angola 19.0
Guyana 18.6
Burkina Faso 18.0
Eritrea 17.8
Namibia 17.2
Rwanda 17.1
Mexico 16.9
Chad 15.8
Ghana 15.7
Ecuador 15.2
North Korea 15.2
Benin 15.1
Sierra Leone 14.9
Mauritania 14.7
Botswana 14.5
Zimbabwe 14.3
Gabon 13.8
Nicaragua 13.6
French Guiana 13.3
Papua New Guinea 13.0
Swaziland 12.9
Bermuda 12.3
Comoros 12.2
Nigeria 12.2
Cape Verde 11.6
Grenada 11.5
Paraguay 11.5
Barbados 11.3
Togo 10.9
Gambia 10.8
Peru 10.3
Myanmar 10.2
Russia 10.2
Liberia 10.1
Costa Rica 10.0
Nauru 9.8
Bolivia 8.9
Mozambique 8.8
Kazakhstan 8.8
Senegal 8.7
Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7
Mongolia 8.7
British Virgin Islands 8.6
Cayman Islands 8.4
Seychelles 8.3
Madagascar 8.1
Indonesia 8.1
Mali 8.0
Pakistan 7.8
Moldova 7.5
Kiribati 7.3
Guadeloupe 7.0
Haiti 6.9
Timor-Leste 6.9
Anguilla 6.8
Antigua and Barbuda 6.8
Lithuania 6.6
Uruguay 5.9
Philippines 5.4
Ukraine 5.2
Estonia 5.2
Cuba 5.0
Belarus 4.9
Thailand 4.8
Suriname 4.6
Laos 4.6
Georgia 4.3
Martinique 4.2
United States 4.2
 
Farmer said:
Definitely not, which is why it angers me somewhat: people who are anti-gun usually have never used, held, or even seen a gun, nor have they be educated about responsible gun use and ownership. Usually, their only exposure to firearms have been through the media, whether it be TV, films, video games, etc.

There is such as thing as fair, fact-based gun control.

The emotionally charged, knee-jerk gun control policy that is usually proposed (and it seems, advocated by many on these boards), is NOT that.
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Just one question. Which is more likely to be shot? Man that has a gun in his home or the man that doesn't?
 
tokie said:
No shit. That's the point. These handguns shouldn't be out there.

Ordinary citizens should not have access to tools of mass murder which even an infant can use.

That infringes on the security of the person for others. By giving people the right to own guns you are reducing the personal security of others.

I don't like giving out rights that remove other peoples rights.
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That is classic "Statistics don't lie, but liars use statistics."

You should feel bad, wow.

Ohh look at Blade Venoms post, we can twist statistics too! :awe:
 
BladeVenom said:
Homicide rate per 100,000 people:
LIST OF THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES
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That's cool bro.

I'm glad to see you think of the United States' ranking so highly as to enjoy when it is listed beside Cuba and Mongolia.

What a high bar you set for your country to aspire to.
 
tokie said:
That's cool bro.

I'm glad to see you think of the United States' ranking so highly as to enjoy when it is listed beside Cuba and Mongolia.

What a high bar you set for your country to aspire to.
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Yea the list of cherry picked countries in your list was very comprehensive as well. The anti-gun nuts never want a reasonable big boy talk about statistics and just go for shock effect. Your picture is 100% stereotypical. And you were like "AHA this will get them!"

Hilarious. You have no idea how stereotypical it is of the gun control guys to use statistics like that.
 
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Pocatello said:
Considering how many drunk drivers kill people a year, why don't they talk about banning alcohol?
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What percent of those are on purpose I'm wondering? When was the last mass car running over spree that killed 20+?

Not saying ban guns or anything at all. Do what you want to do. Just pointing out a huge flaw in the whole car more dangerous than gun thing.
 
tokie said:
That's cool bro.

I'm glad to see you think of the United States' ranking so highly as to enjoy when it is listed beside Cuba and Mongolia.

What a high bar you set for your country to aspire to.
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??? so basically anyone providing facts but yourself or another anti is wrong?
 
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