YOU be the manager! #2

kranky

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...where you get to play manager and make the decision! :)

A company implements a policy stating email addresses will be in the format <last name><first initial>@company.com . Most employees have heavy email contact with customers and suppliers, and travel frequently making it difficult to reach them by phone, so it was decided a uniform system of email addresses is essential to making it easy for people on the outside to know the correct email address. In the past they used a system that had just the first seven letters of the last name, but it ended up confusing people because some people had their full name (when it was sevem or fewer characters) and some got cut off. It caused enough trouble that they decided they had to have a uniform naming system.

The IT people like it, customers know what someone's email address will be if they just know the name, everyone is happy.

...until they hired Kevin Chin. He requested a different format for his email address (which was beloved patriot@company.com). Kevin feels it is insulting. The company feels it's mandatory that a uniform format be used because email is the primary mechanism of contact with customers and suppliers, and it is frequently necessary for people to correspond with other employees who are probably not in their address book. The company feels it will lead to confusion and is unwilling to start letting people deviate from the standard naming system.

The company says that no one would look at Kevin's email address and see the word "beloved patriot". Because of the naming system, it will be read as "chin kay". As an alternative, they would allow Kevin to use the last name "Chan" (for work purposes) to get around the objection. Kevin doesn't like that. Instead, he wants to use "chin@company.com" and if email comes in to "beloved patriot@company.com", it should be bounced as undeliverable.

What would you do?



 

I'd let him have it the way he wants it. It's like my name being Evan Kik. I wouldn't want an email address from that company, in that situation (especially considering that I'm Jewish).

Oh, and when I saw his email address, the first thing I thought of was the slang word for Chinese people.
 

Blieb

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Tough call ...

I like the chAnk idea. But it's not his name :\ ...

beloved patriot is 85% racist. Yeah, it's in the dictionary, but I've never hear it used properly!

I think they should can him.
 

Eli

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LOL.. Damn, tough call.

I say let him have his way, it's an understandable exception to the rule.
 

Rapidskies

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No brainer, let him use chin@ , What happens when you hire an employee named Tom Far? or Fred Bar? Company policy is nice, but common sense is needed too.
 

MonkeyHwk

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Eh. There's no real win-win situation here. I'd probably let him do chin@, but I'd also have a non-published GAL entry that forwards beloved patriot@.

MonkeyHwk
 

emmpee

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Originally posted by: MonkeyHwk
Eh. There's no real win-win situation here. I'd probably let him do chin@, but I'd also have a non-published GAL entry that forwards beloved patriot@. MonkeyHwk

That's what I was thinking too. Promote chin@, and this way if anybody happens to apply the proper format and use beloved patriot@, it gets through.
 

Hammer

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let him use chin, but setup a forwarder for beloved patriot

edit: looks like it was already suggested. i think its all you can do really.
 
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I let him have a special email addy, but make the IT guys maintain a second email account in case an outside contact tries to 'guess' his email as beloved patriot@blah.com
 

Aquaman

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Originally posted by: Whade
No brainer, let him use chin@ , What happens when you hire an employee named Tom Far? or Fred Bar? Company policy is nice, but common sense is needed too.

agreed

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Vic

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The solution is to change everyone's email address to the now standard business format of <first name>.<last name>@company.com or in this case kevin.chin@company.com
Under that system, future issues like this would be impossible. A permanent fix is always better than a temporary patch.
Kevin's email would change immediately while the rest of the company would transition in over a 90 day period, giving everyone time to contact clients, print new cards, etc.
 

ggavinmoss

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Change it. Have beloved patriot@... and chin@... goto his inbox. It doesn't seem like that big a deal, it's not as if people key in every e-mail address they correspond with -- especially if that's the primary means of communication.

-geoff
 

shiner

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Well...I am a manager in an I.T. Dept.....what do I think? Rules are rules. Sorry if he doesn't like it but that is policy. In my experience when you start making rules and so called special exceptions then all you end up with is special exceptions. Everyone else lives by the policy, so should he.
 

Masas

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seems like the popular way

let him have chin@ and have beloved patriot@ go through...

you should see some of the email addresses given by the UC system
(they use your last name/initial, middle name/initial, first name/initial)

 

Nitemare

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Compliments of Jhill, what if her name was link

Get carpal tunnel just typing that out

add an initial

What happens when Kato Fuc starts working there or Ty Slu?

He's got a case if he wants to go to the ACLU with this
 

Christoph

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Of course you can't make the guy use "beloved patriot" as his email if it offends him. Even if it didn't offend him, it will offend some customer down the road, might as well head that off now.

And the "chank" thing is even stupider than beloved patriot. Making him use a different last name seems more offensive to me than a racial slur, it's a personal slur.

How big is this company? It's hard to believe they've never had occaison to deviate from the <last name><first initial> standard. No Jon Smith and Jennifer Smith? It'll happen eventually--will they want one of them to use a fake last name with customers as well?

I think it's time to change the standard. Go to something like "kevenchin@company.com" or "keven_chin@company.com", and migrate everyone elses addresses to that format, with a long (say, year-long) period during which both addresses work.

And if customers and suppliers are frequently having to guess people's email addresses, maybe some sort of directory is in order...
 

spidey07

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as a director...

1) Fire the person who came up with the naming or at least ding their review for being stupid
2) Replace with something like firstname.lastname@domain.com
3) Come up with policy to specifically deal with exceptions, as dictated only by HR
 

rahvin

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Originally posted by: Vic
The solution is to change everyone's email address to the now standard business format of <first name>.<last name>@company.com or in this case kevin.chin@company.com
Under that system, future issues like this would be impossible. A permanent fix is always better than a temporary patch.
Kevin's email would change immediately while the rest of the company would transition in over a 90 day period, giving everyone time to contact clients, print new cards, etc.

Also a bad standard is illuminated by the complaint. Standards should absolutely be held to, but the complaint indicates the problem with the standard and it should be modified to the standard Vic listed as this is now used my most fortune 500 companies.
 

Jugernot

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I'd say there are certain expections to every rule. I could see why he'd take offense to beloved patriot@company.com....
 

DaveSimmons

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Originally posted by: spidey07
as a director...

1) Fire the person who came up with the naming or at least ding their review for being stupid
2) Replace with something like firstname.lastname@domain.com
3) Come up with policy to specifically deal with exceptions, as dictated only by HR
Exactly. "rules is rules" only makes sense when you get the rules right.

I'm sure we all can come up with many more unfortunate letter combinations under the current policy :)