Saga
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More like most marriages fuck men over because they're ignorant enough to be as naive as you are about womens maliciousness and the inevitable ass-raping you will get when she gets tired of you and wants to move onto a new set of testicles and take half your money with her.
To each his own. I work with a guy who's paid child support for three years on a kid that isn't even his because our state laws consider you a financial dependent if you live with a woman for a year and then decide to leave her - so, sorry, you'll never convince me that getting married period is even worth it let alone will I ever do it without making sure my financial assets are solely mine.
SunnyD
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Sadly, your argument also holds true for having children, or even being alive for most people. (See: Clinical Depression)
destrekor
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yea, it's called choice.
marriage has never been perfect. When it was all arranged, divorce wasn't an option.
Other marriages in the cases where they don't get along, make it work anyhow - minus the actual love except in cases where they rebuild the relationship.
what's wrong with a lack of trust?
welcome to humanity.
It will take me years to truly give someone my full trust, likely even more.
So, I bet the next argument is wait until however long it takes to give someone trust.
Ha, good luck.
Even then, someone worth a ton of money, and someone is worth the typical amount. If you are in the position of having a ton of money, you can have come to feel an immense amount of trust in the other individual.
So you get married with no prenup.
So now there are two potential outcomes: 1) the other individual completely conned you for a long time, con-artist skill. Few people can see through that if it's a consistent act. 2) you developed all of that trust, but humans are humans, and the other person can change attitude/preference if pressured for some reason.
There is a reason there is absolutely nothing guaranteed in life. Humans are humans. We are petty, backstabbing, and wicked.
I'm not naive about women. I am approaching (27 now) 30 and have never even been close to getting married. I have been "in love" but that still isn't enough for me.
I disagree. A prenup indicates that you are pragmatic enough to realize that time changes many things including emotions and relationships. It doesn't have to indicate any inherent distrust today. It can merely serve as an acknowledgment of the realization that nobody ever knows what the future will bring. You only know for 100% certain what your own feelings are but you never know exactly the feelings of the other person. I think maybe what the OP should do here is turn the tables and pose the question to himself.
OP, ask yourself what you would do in her shoes. Let's say it is she who has the $$ and is asking you for a prenup. What would you do? Don't ask anybody else to commit to anything you would not commit to yourself. And be honest but not judgmental with yourself about it or this won't work.
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Lots of good replies in this thread. I see ATOT has given this subject much thought and solemn contemplation. :beer:
lol ok but again this has nothing to do with you or me. I can only 100% be sure that I can control my own choices and actions. She can flip out and leave whenever she wants....thats what the pre-nup is for.
Praxis1452
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It'd be hilarious if you lost 1/2 and had to pay alimony. Marriage is a financial contract, stop deluding yourself.
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If she was worth it, I would sign it. Then I would challenge it in court. :evil:
ps. I could hire safeway, Dug777 and motionman as my lawyers. :laugh:
oogabooga
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Consider one is different than actually asking for it. I think anyone with money would think about it.
I'd probably hope I could talk with my (potential) spouse about it.... It would seem like if it can't be talked about without hysterics "MARRIAGE IS A FINANCIAL CONTRACT" or "YOU DONT LOVE ME" we probably shouldn't be together.
AreaCode707
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From the general world point of view:
I wouldn't want to ever have to for one second think that my spouse was staying with me because of the dramatic lifestyle change they'd have if they left. Pre-nup and the changes of financial status that it brings provides incentive for people to stay by lying and cheating rather than being honest about the end of a relationship.
From my point of view:
I want to commit everything I have in life, including my financials, to this relationship, that's why I'm getting married in the first place. I don't want an out clause or a do-over button.
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I understand your point of view and it is a noble gesture. In fact, thats what Paul McCartney said. It cost him $50,000,000.00
Blackjack200
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I thought two things about prenups that may be wrong:
1. I thought assets owned by one person or the other before the marrige were not part of the assets divided in the divorce.
2. I thought prenups were pretty ineffective documents anyway, with judges routinely throwing them out.
If these two things are true I can't see ever persuing a prenup.
1. I thought assets owned by one person or the other before the marrige were not part of the assets divided in the divorce.
2. I thought prenups were pretty ineffective documents anyway, with judges routinely throwing them out.
If these two things are true I can't see ever persuing a prenup.
A prenup brings the thing in bold above to the person who came into the relationship without all the money. For the person who has the assets it is supposed to protect, it can have the opposite effect making it too easy for them to just abandon the marriage because of petty squabbles or difficulties which EVERY MARRIAGE WILL HAVE at some point. Bottom line is, if your spouse is going to lie and cheat on you, they are going to do so regardless of whether there is a prenup. A prenup will not serve as a deterrent to adultery or conflict in an unhappy marriage.
1 is false, that is what a prenup typically for (assets prior to marriage)
everything is divided
2 is true though
i'm pretty sure if you have a prenup for assets earned during a marriage you have a 99% chance of getting it thrown out
Exactly. What, are you not supposed to get married unless you can see into the future and predict your partners actions. What if being a judge of character is not your strong point. Nothing wrong with getting insurance.
Saga
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The simple fact that you think you have any idea how women work, or in fact ever will, makes me weep for the male species. You cannot rationalize that which is not rational. You will never reach any age, barring some mystical immortality and even then I'm dubious of the results of this particular experiment, where you will ever understand the female mind.
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