Yikes! Iran says its military is ready for the US

[ToBeMe]

<< Just don't go preaching about how great the UN is

I won't -- Everybody knows that the UN is ready to invade the US from Mexico (read that on a website from a extreme-right US militia )

In my humble european opinion all this Iraq - Iran - North Korea vs USA hardtalk is just a lame pissing contest. Bush knows that his popularity will skyrocket in the US with all this macho bs. It's all politics -- he just want to get reelected in a couple of years and saying stuff like that scores big time in the public opinion since 9/11.

My point is that a lot of posts made in this thread illustrates perfectly the foreign policy of the US in the last 50 years. Posts from Rison --"why the hell should we be multilateral when we are the supreme superpower" -- makes the USA the number one enemy for a lot of countries. (and believe me -- europe is NOT an enemy of the US). >>


OK, perhaps your unattached view could elaborate upon how exactly the U.S. can change their foreign policy to make every nation in the world happy?????? How exactly does a nation go about this I mean we could probably channel much more aid to say Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Palestine, etc., but then whom exactly shall we terminate from our aid recipients list???? We could most likely make Russia, and perhaps even China friendly with us.......shall we then abandon Europe???? We could cut aid to Israel.......but then are we also at fault when Israel goes bezerk and takes out most of the Middleast????



<< People in this thread seem to forget that Saddam Hussein was an ally of the US during the Iraq - Iran war in the 80's. Osama bin Laden and the Muhadjedin received money and weapons from the US in their fight against the "evil communists" in Afghanistan. The Stinger missiles the Taliban were using against US aircraft were paid with your 80's tax-dollars. Bush statement about Iran gives the hardliners over there the perfect excuse to crack down the PRO-Western movement in Iran. It seems to me that lot of people in this thread don't realize that Iran nowadays is not the Iran of Khomeiny in the 80's that took american hostages. The Iran of the 70's from the Sjah (backed by the USA) was a very oppressive regime -- it was not a democracy -- . >>


I don't know about all others, but, I'm very much aware that those you mention were once our "friends"! I suppose it is also our fault that we cut them off when their views changed or they began making irresponsible demands upon us????? Times and people change........can you point out ANY country which has made mistakes along the lines of those you mention here????? I doubt it, and I can name many similar mistakes made by many other countries......



<< Americans in OT are crapping on europeans for not sending troops to Afghanistan to help the US in it's fight against the Taliban. The fact is that all European countries (with the exception of germany -- constitutional problem) were willing to send combat troops in the aftermath of 9/11. The fact is that the USA did not need us (europeans) to do the job. Most noteworthy, NATO even invoked Article 5 of its Charter declaring the attack on the US to be an attack on all NATO members. Saying that europe was against US actions in Afghanistan is a lie. >>



You may "think" we Americans are "crapping" on the europeans.........but in fact, I've made it a point to say I reallize the main offending party in this thread is a minority, but, he also came out with some pretty sarcastic remarks of his own!



<< Just my 2 eurocent -- >>



And mine back at ya'!



<< btw -- the forums on AT are dead slow over here -- all you Americans stop posting >>



Um........sorry...................a big NO to that one.................

 

[ArbitrarilyInsane]

<< What can I say.......I'm trying to be as nice as possible because I know many of your countrymen are not a waste of human flesh...like others which will go unmentioned. If you want to get down to it.......enable PM's or are you to much of a pansy to even do that? I don't want to make you cry or anything.......but some people will only learn the hard way and your admission to being Certifiably Insane leads me to believe you are one of them............ >>


Whoa! how many shows did you manage to cram in?




<< Honestly, you're getting a bit boring............come up with some better material next time OK! >>


aaaaa.... Tired of crapping thru your mouth already? I though you yanks are used to that sorta thing.

 

[ToBeMe]

<< What can I say.......I'm trying to be as nice as possible because I know many of your countrymen are not a waste of human flesh...like others which will go unmentioned. If you want to get down to it.......enable PM's or are you to much of a pansy to even do that? I don't want to make you cry or anything.......but some people will only learn the hard way and your admission to being Certifiably Insane leads me to believe you are one of them............ >>




<< Whoa! how many shows did you manage to cram in? >>



Only the one where they explained the traits and habits of the CERTIFIABLY INSANE such as yourself..........you should really see a doctor before it's to late............




<< Honestly, you're getting a bit boring............come up with some better material next time OK! >>




<< aaaaa.... Tired of crapping thru your mouth already? I though you yanks are used to that sorta thing. >>


Crapping out of your mouth?????? Seems to me you have proven beyond reproach that you have that market cornered...........:Q

 

[ArbitrarilyInsane]

A portscan from energis, a bit Amateurish isn't it?

 

[freegeeks]

OK, perhaps your unattached view could elaborate upon how exactly the U.S. can change their foreign policy to make every nation in the world happy?????? How exactly does a nation go about this I mean we could probably channel much more aid to say Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Palestine, etc., but then whom exactly shall we terminate from our aid recipients list???? We could most likely make Russia, and perhaps even China friendly with us.......shall we then abandon Europe???? We could cut aid to Israel.......but then are we also at fault when Israel goes bezerk and takes out most of the Middleast????


It's not about making every nation in the world happy. I'll try to give an example what in my opinion is a better way of foreign policy.
In the beginning of the 90's we had our own Somalia disaster over here in Belgium. Belgium paratroopers were killed in Rwanda on a peacekeeping mission. The nation was in shock. How do you react as a nation on such a disaster?

American Foreign Policy: US president gives a nationwide TV speech -- promises the american people revenge -- send in the B-52's -- make a parking lot of the country -- president approval rate goes up with 10 points because he gave "Joe Schmuck from the street" the revenge he promised -- wait for the next disaster to happen --

Our Foreign Policy: public opinion wants revenge -- politicians keep head cool and are patient -- last year there was the Rwanda trial in Brussels -- different keyfigures of the Rwanda massacre are now in jail (lifetime sentence)

i know -- it's a very simplistic presentation of something as complicated as foreign policy but i'm convinced that the latter policy is a more constructive approach to the problem --

<< btw -- the forums on AT are dead slow over here -- all you Americans stop posting >>

Um........sorry...................a big NO to that one.................

pfff -- it's even slower now

 

[ToBeMe]

<< OK, perhaps your unattached view could elaborate upon how exactly the U.S. can change their foreign policy to make every nation in the world happy?????? How exactly does a nation go about this I mean we could probably channel much more aid to say Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Palestine, etc., but then whom exactly shall we terminate from our aid recipients list???? We could most likely make Russia, and perhaps even China friendly with us.......shall we then abandon Europe???? We could cut aid to Israel.......but then are we also at fault when Israel goes bezerk and takes out most of the Middleast????


It's not about making every nation in the world happy. I'll try to give an example what in my opinion is a better way of foreign policy.
In the beginning of the 90's we had our own Somalia disaster over here in Belgium. Belgium paratroopers were killed in Rwanda on a peacekeeping mission. The nation was in shock. How do you react as a nation on such a disaster?

American Foreign Policy: US president gives a nationwide TV speech -- promises the american people revenge -- send in the B-52's -- make a parking lot of the country -- president approval rate goes up with 10 points because he gave "Joe Schmuck from the street" the revenge he promised -- wait for the next disaster to happen --

Our Foreign Policy: public opinion wants revenge -- politicians keep head cool and are patient -- last year there was the Rwanda trial in Brussels -- different keyfigures of the Rwanda massacre are now in jail (lifetime sentence)

i know -- it's a very simplistic presentation of something as complicated as foreign policy but i'm convinced that the latter policy is a more constructive approach to the problem -- >>


I understand that and your response worked......in that situation.........

Now, let's look at another. Let's say for one reason or another, a group of terrorists becomes completely peturbed by your country. They never make any concrete demands and are very difficult to detect or trace. Then, completely out of nowhere, they bomb several locations in Brussels killing several thousands of people as well as destroying landmarks which are dear to you and your countrymen. Afterward, all evidence points toward one group so they are confronted. their response boils down to.........."We hate you and everyone in your country and will do whatever we can to kill as many of you as we can........no matter what!". So, you ask why..........they reply that it is because they do not like how you prosecuted someone, or, that you do not give enough aid to a certain area or country. They also vow to hit you again with more terrorists acts, possibly using Nuclear or Biological Weaponry! You know full well that this will happen, and you can not meet their outrageous demands. Almost every country in the world backs yours and agrees that a response by military is acceptable and approved because of the scope of the first act and subsequent threats.....................what would you do???


<< btw -- the forums on AT are dead slow over here -- all you Americans stop posting >>

Um........sorry...................a big NO to that one.................

pfff -- it's even slower now [/i] >>

 

[skylark]

<< I'm actually kinda frightened by this :

-- excerpt --

``Our airforce has doubled up its capability and is watching our skies,'' said air force chief Brigadier General Reza Pardis.

``American threats are nothing new and nothing to worry about because we have the capability to confront them,'' Iran's IRNA news agency quoted him as saying.

-- /excerpt --

Here's the link to the full story. What do you think about this? >>



Pffftt! I'm not American, but I know enough the US didn't become a superpower for nothing. they're quite nuts to even insinuate a challenge..

 

[mikysee]

<< heheh yeah


im sure the iranians are ready to face the f-22 >>



When will the F-22s be in service?

 

[Novgrod]

Ehh, the f22s won't be of too much use. They're short-range air superiority fighters first and foremost; after that they're stealthy bomb delivery systems.

Important is "short range." If there is a shooting war with Iran, which isn't likely (and frankly, if you want to go after a nasty terrorist state, Iran is a good target [Noam Chomsky be damned]) then you'll do what you did to Iraq: blow the hell out of their communications the first couple nights with stealths/tomahawks. Then take out as much of their air defenses as you possibly can. In Iraq it was with the f-16, but probably any number of options are available. After that, spend as much time as you need to root out the remaining air defenses and their armor.

Iraq was screwed because a) their communications systems were decapitated, and b) they tried to stand up and fight, rather than run away. Iran would probably try to hide, and far be it for me to guess their effectiveness.

The real problem is that against Iraq, you had the huge border with Saudi Arabia from which you could invade. In Iran, I suppose the best options would be invasion by sea (which is some nasty, nasty stuff) or from Pakistan. Neither sounds too wonderful to this little black duck.

Just some thoughts.

 

[Acanthus]

26 F22s in service by 2005, the F22 is an air superiority fighter, and nothing more.

 

[xyyz]

<< even though i agree that US can easily take out Ran military, i am digusted by those of who brag about it. >>



very well said. there's no real military that can really challenge the US military might... bragging about this fact is pretty pathetic... it's like getting your jollies outta' crushing a bug.

those fellow citizens who sit there and degrade everything not american are pretty disgusting and show no class. these hawkish people are going to lead this country to all sorts of problems in the future. I don't know why some of you haven't matured past this "nuke 'em" school of thinking.

your attitudes are what have passed things like the patriot act.

 

[xyyz]

<< chiwawa626, during that time I lived in an Apartment Complex that had a lot of Iranian Foriegn Exchange Students. They use to congregate down at the Hot Tub. In fact anywhere there was a Hot Tub or Jacuzzi back then it was a place where they hung out. Of course there was a lot of body hair which was always floating around in the Jacuzzi's and Hot Tubs. When they all left the Hot Tubs and Jacuzzi's all cleared up. Of course the local sales of Gold Medallions and Open Neck Silk Disco Shirts plummeted.


BTW, no offense meant my Farsi Brother! >>




eventhough I think you are a redneck bastard... and I should find this repusive... this cracked this S- outta' me. to such a degree that I fell over.

Gold Medallions and Open Neck Silk Disco Shirts... bahahahahaahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahhaahahahahaa

I guess the southern california persians ruin the name for all other persians... let's not forget how irritating this breed can be with their silly faux-pride... along with their rented BMW's.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< eventhough I think you are a redneck bastard >>

Hey I'll have you know that my parents were and are still married and my children will never confuse the Postman for their Grandfather. Can you say the same?

 

[Takhsis]

i do believe during the gulf war the us army suffered casualities that were less than would expected in peace time.

 

[thereaderrabbit]

As an American I'm embarrassed by this thread. Why should we care about Iran's boast? Why should we be threatening Iran in the first place? Simply put, the average American is an idiot.

When you kick a dog, don't you expect it to growl and bark? It's embarrassing when some of us seemed suppressed and offended by this behavior. Do you bark back at every dog on the street? (Ok, don't answer that one Red Dawn) but anyways, by kicking the dog aren't we the ones to blame if anything happened?

No, I don't lose any sleep at night over places like Iran, but I couldn't be bothered offending them either.

-Reader

 

[MadRat]

Never celebrate the folly that befuddles your foes. Likewise, don't celebrate Desert Storm in 2002 by invading Iran. The Iranians are better to us as allies than foes.

 

[falias]

Bush always needs some kind of enemy because he's insecure about what people think of him. He'd be pretty stupid to attack Iran.

 

[xyyz]

<<

<< eventhough I think you are a redneck bastard >>

Hey I'll have you know that my parents were and are still married and my children will never confuse the Postman for their Grandfather. Can you say the same? >>



of course I can... that's the beauty of south asian parents... we don't dabble in the S- you rednecks seem to thrive on...

i'm pretty sure you're children know that the postman is their grandfather... it's you that doesn't...

although, i bet your granddad is also your uncle and your mom's also your neice... or some sick twisted arangement like that... you'd make all your jerry springer wannabe relatives proud with your family weed.

btw... sorry to break it to you're children aren't really your children...

 

[Kerouactivist]

damn, is it getting hot in here

 

[her209]

Never celebrate the folly that befuddles your foes. Likewise, don't celebrate Desert Storm in 2002 by invading Iran. The Iranians are better to us as allies than foes.

Are you kidding? Bush was so anxious to start a war ever since he got into office.

 

[Bigdude]

The devil worshiper's must be ready to go to Hell!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[xyyz]

<< Never celebrate the folly that befuddles your foes. Likewise, don't celebrate Desert Storm in 2002 by invading Iran. The Iranians are better to us as allies than foes.

Are you kidding? Bush was so anxious to start a war ever since he got into office. >>




I have complete respect for Bush... and eventhough i'm a democrat and I don't like some of the really militant policy he supports... not to mention the reduction in certain civil liberties... i'll vote for him again. He's just a totally cool and resonable guy.

I think that this wasn't his policiy. I think that bastard Rumsfeld or some other idiot hawk came up with this... and he was persuaded to include Iran in his list.

 

[etech]

"Are you kidding? Bush was so anxious to start a war ever since he got into office. "

What exactly are you basing this opinion of yours on? Please be specific.

 

[MadRat]

<<"Are you kidding? Bush was so anxious to start a war ever since he got into office."

What exactly are you basing this opinion of yours on? Please be specific.>>

What part of Bush's speech about "Let the year 2002 be remembered as the year of War..." did you miss? Bush also made comments to reporters that posed the question about the deficit and how this war on terrorism will make the public allow deficit spending again. Bush commented back, "Lucky me." Not very humble words once the fighting started, if you ask me.

 

[BadNewsBears]

Its like the report when the somalies wre watching black hawk down, the damn skinnies were cheering when we died. One skinny said to our repoter "You can see by this film that we skinnies are good fighters" Yah great fighters, 1000 skinnies dead 19 americans dead. Lol saw bhd last night. Good movie. RIP for those brave souls who died

EDIT.. Missed a zero 1000 skinnies dead