Yet ANOTHER Trump Supporter Surprised That He is Doing What He SAID He Would Do...

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Svnla

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From the article:

He immigrated to the United States from Mexico illegally in 1998, deciding not to return after a visit to a family member in California

There you go folks, the problem is right there.

But when you’re a good citizen and you support and you help and you pay taxes and you give jobs to people, you should be able to stay.

I would like for her or anyone to sneak in Mexico ILLEGALLY or any sovereign nation on Earth and use that same line and see how thing would turn out.
 
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BoomerD

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Yep, and she ignores the fact that being an illegal immigrant doesn't make him a citizen...at best...just a resident.
 

ivwshane

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In her defense, Trump also claimed to hate Wallstreet and Lobbyist influences on Politicians. Look how that turned out.

What's the defense? That it was hard to predict that the lyingest liar was going to lie about his promises?

Yeah, no.

Maybe he can come back in after he helps build the wall.
 

sandorski

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What's the defense? That it was hard to predict that the lyingest liar was going to lie about his promises?

Yeah, no.

Maybe he can come back in after he helps build the wall.

It was a coin toss as to whether he would follow through on something he said or do the opposite.
 

Commodus

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I think we should have sympathy for people like this, even though it's a self-inflicted wound. There's one simple reason: we need to show the kindness that Trump and the Republicans refuse to offer. They're not going to vote Democrat if they think they're getting just as much cruelty as they do from Trump's camp.
 

ivwshane

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I think we should have sympathy for people like this, even though it's a self-inflicted wound. There's one simple reason: we need to show the kindness that Trump and the Republicans refuse to offer. They're not going to vote Democrat if they think they're getting just as much cruelty as they do from Trump's camp.

Show me where that has worked before, with the right?
 
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Commodus

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Show me where that has worked before, with the right?

No guarantees it'll work, but consider this: the number of people who voted for Trump and are now regretting it seems to be... rather high. There's a broad undercurrent of discontent that you didn't necessarily have before. Lots of people are realizing that Trump and the current GOP really are happy to screw over everyone that isn't white and wealthy, and we need to show that the left actually cares about a much wider circle of people.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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No guarantees it'll work, but consider this: the number of people who voted for Trump and are now regretting it seems to be... rather high. There's a broad undercurrent of discontent that you didn't necessarily have before. Lots of people are realizing that Trump and the current GOP really are happy to screw over everyone that isn't white and wealthy, and we need to show that the left actually cares about a much wider circle of people.

Well then you go ahead and keep holding that football, I'm sure eventually you'll get to kick it.
 

ch33zw1z

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I really want to let empathy take over. It's pretty tough when Cons shit on Dems for 8 years, even while creating a health care plan to help the same people lol....wtf
 
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ivwshane

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I really want to let empathy take over. It's pretty tough when Cons shit on Dems for 8 years, even while creating a health care plan to help the same people lol....wtf

If there was the slightest hint that their attitudes were changing for the better I would be showing some empathy but so far I have yet to see a single shred of evidence of that.
 

HomerJS

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-supporter-my-husband-is-being-deported-friday-193439132.html

Fine,.,,I forgot some commentary...and, for some reason, I couldn't get the article to cut & paste...

Trump was pretty honest about wanting to deport all illegals, right from the start. Yes, he made mention about a path to legalization, but that didn't seem to be his main focus. He wanted them GONE. While it might not make good sense for the country to round up all 11,000,000 of them at once...it sure plays well with his base. (and, even though I despise Trump, I would like to see them deported...then allowed to come back legally)
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glenn1

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No guarantees it'll work, but consider this: the number of people who voted for Trump and are now regretting it seems to be... rather high. There's a broad undercurrent of discontent that you didn't necessarily have before. Lots of people are realizing that Trump and the current GOP really are happy to screw over everyone that isn't white and wealthy, and we need to show that the left actually cares about a much wider circle of people.

Not enforcing our immigration laws is an odd way of "showing you care."

And honestly it doesn't matter what party you belong to or what you think the intrinsic good and benefit of your political beliefs, you're part of the problem on immigration unless: (a) you demand immigration quotas to be raised significantly to reduce the forces driving both supply and demand, and (b) after quotas are raised you actually enforce the laws rather than acting like "awww but we don't want to break up families, it's not fair, we'll pay higher prices, etc."
 

Commodus

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Not enforcing our immigration laws is an odd way of "showing you care."

And honestly it doesn't matter what party you belong to or what you think the intrinsic good and benefit of your political beliefs, you're part of the problem on immigration unless: (a) you demand immigration quotas to be raised significantly to reduce the forces driving both supply and demand, and (b) after quotas are raised you actually enforce the laws rather than acting like "awww but we don't want to break up families, it's not fair, we'll pay higher prices, etc."

There are still better ways to handle it than what Trump's doing.

Offer a legal path to residency for someone who's been around that long. Or if you insist on deportation, don't whisk people away so abruptly that family members are left completely stranded. I'm fine with enforcing laws -- it's how you enforce the law that matters. Trump's current immigration policies amount to "brown people out, now" and little else.
 
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brandonbull

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There are still better ways to handle it than what Trump's doing.

Offer a legal path to residency for someone who's been around that long. Or if you insist on deportation, don't whisk people away so abruptly that family members are left completely stranded. I'm fine with enforcing laws -- it's how you enforce the law that matters. Trump's current immigration policies amount to "brown people out, now" and little else.

So... Trump should only want the non-brown illegal aliens deported? Is that what you are saying?
 

Commodus

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So... Trump should only want the non-brown illegal aliens deported? Is that what you are saying?

No, you've misunderstood. The point is that the aggressiveness of the programs, and who they're targeting, betray their origins. They're not really born from carefully considered strategy -- they're born from an eagerness to blame non-white foreigners for the country's problems. Surely we'll get our jobs back if we get rid of millions of illegal Mexican immigrants, right? (You won't.) Surely we'll be safe from terrorist attacks if we just prevent Muslims from coming in, won't we? (US-born terrorists are historically a greater threat.)

If Trump and crew were genuinely interested in solving immigration in an intelligent manner, they wouldn't just be engaging in knee-jerk strategies. Improve enforcement, but offer a path to legitimate residency for at least some of those who are already here. Understand that a wall is likely to be very impractical compared to simply beefing up enforcement; it'll be incredibly expensive, will likely face long delays and is bound to be circumvented. And don't institute immigration bans that are clearly rooted in cultural fears instead of facts (no immigrant from the potentially banned countries has ever launched an attack on US soil).