Yet Another Killer Cop Thread....Phoenix edition

KMFJD

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hal2kilo

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I'm sick of this shit. Come on good shoot guys. What's the technicality of minutia you're going to talk about instead of someone just blatantly being murdered.
 

pauldun170

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I'm sick of this shit. Come on good shoot guys. What's the technicality of minutia you're going to talk about instead of someone just blatantly being murdered.
Yup
Patiently waiting for the usual suspects who like in hang out in "black threads" wasting everyones time with nonsense
 
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the incident is horrible but the fact that the department tried to cover it up with what they released publicly is disgusting and the bigger problem. when cops start holding their own accountable, maybe we can start to make some progress.

It's never going to change in that regard until you eliminate teams.

With things like unions, they will defend their clan members until the end of time. It's in their legal and monetary benefit to do such.

Checks and balances doesn't mean a superior officer has the authority to reprimand/punish someone... Checks and balances is someone that is OUTSIDE of the union having the authority.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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It's never going to change in that regard until you eliminate teams.

With things like unions, they will defend their clan members until the end of time. It's in their legal and monetary benefit to do such.

Checks and balances doesn't mean a superior officer has the authority to reprimand/punish someone... Checks and balances is someone that is OUTSIDE of the union having the authority.
Is it your opinion, then, that police officers shooting innocents is in fact normal human behavior, and that we merely need checks and balances to be addressed to they can be punished appropriately?
 

KMFJD

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great read, why aren't police accountable at all
 

Viper1j

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Yet another killer cop in fear for his life so he shoots innocent homeowner...


We have a name, Let's get an address for it.
 

Fenixgoon

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Great read.

Unions and the religion that surrounds Policing and the Armed Forces in this county are probably good places to start?

God yes. I can't stand the idolatry of armed forces and police officers. They are jobs and they are voluntary.

And for all the dangers of policing, being a logger or fisherman is a far deadlier occupation in the US.
 

brycejones

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God yes. I can't stand the idolatry of armed forces and police officers. They are jobs and they are voluntary.

And for all the dangers of policing, being a logger or fisherman is a far deadlier occupation in the US.
Those professions need to come up with a signature color so we can make flags and bumper stickers.
 

ch33zw1z

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God yes. I can't stand the idolatry of armed forces and police officers. They are jobs and they are voluntary.

And for all the dangers of policing, being a logger or fisherman is a far deadlier occupation in the US.

The first time I saw the police hero worship flag I was appalled. I guess this is what it's come to. But in that moment, surrounded by people, I was the problem for challenging it's purpose.
 
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Homerboy

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God yes. I can't stand the idolatry of armed forces and police officers. They are jobs and they are voluntary.

And for all the dangers of policing, being a logger or fisherman is a far deadlier occupation in the US.

So... being a garbageman is more dangerous than the "thin blue line"? Had no idea.
 

HumblePie

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Any minute our resident humble criminologist will be along to argue how this is tots cool.

Fuck you.

What the officer that shot did was completely unjustified. He should be sent to jail for murder on this. I already made a thread on this originally before it was locked since this one came first.

That aside, there are more than a few resident race baiters around here in that have claimed in previous threads that this kind of scenarios don't ever happen to white people. You are a piece of garbage here for even thinking I defend cops just for being cops. I defend lawful actions of whomever is being lawful. Your snide remarks show how much you hate white people and the law though.
 

HumblePie

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God yes. I can't stand the idolatry of armed forces and police officers. They are jobs and they are voluntary.

And for all the dangers of policing, being a logger or fisherman is a far deadlier occupation in the US.

Logger and fisherman jobs are also voluntary. The vast majority of problems that loggers and fisherman encounter are due to poor preparations or because they are doing less than legal activities at the time and trying to not be caught doing it. Which means they take less measures to ensure their safety all the time. It's not exactly an apples to apples comparison though. I'm just playing devil's advocate here though on your claim about dangers of jobs.

Still, police should be held to a higher standard of accountability as well. I also dislike the whole idea of unions for non-private sector jobs. Not super keen on it for private sector either, but they do less damage overall than the non-private ones. Also any fallout over a private sector union is limited only to that business and not a whole community of people unlike police union typically.
 

Fenixgoon

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Logger and fisherman jobs are also voluntary. The vast majority of problems that loggers and fisherman encounter are due to poor preparations or because they are doing less than legal activities at the time and trying to not be caught doing it. Which means they take less measures to ensure their safety all the time. It's not exactly an apples to apples comparison though. I'm just playing devil's advocate here though on your claim about dangers of jobs.

Still, police should be held to a higher standard of accountability as well. I also dislike the whole idea of unions for non-private sector jobs. Not super keen on it for private sector either, but they do less damage overall than the non-private ones. Also any fallout over a private sector union is limited only to that business and not a whole community of people unlike police union typically.

I assume you have some sort of evidence to support that claim? Because it is straight up comical otherwise.
 

ch33zw1z

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I assume you have some sort of evidence to support that claim? Because it is straight up comical otherwise.

Amren link inbound.

"Police officers experience problems because their largely dealing in less than legal activities".

Hmm, doesn't sound too far off
 

HumblePie

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I assume you have some sort of evidence to support that claim? Because it is straight up comical otherwise.

Your link lists the common fatalities associated with the jobs. Loggers face deaths when trees fall on them. Experienced loggers at a legal job site with the full force of company protection around them minimize the likelyhood of tree's falling on their heads as required by logging industry standards and organizations like OSHA. Loggers that are doing illegal logging typically aren't concerned as much about safety as they are about getting the trees they want out as quickly as possible. The former leads to less fatal accidents and the later doesn't. I don't understand how you can't deduce that yourself.

You'd have been much better off with your comparison instead of excavation workers, steel workers, or garbage collectors instead. They have more dangerous jobs as well overall sort of without illegal activities inflating numbers.

The issue is one of comparability. Policing overall isn't super dangerous as most police in the vast majority of the country don't do any interactions beyond deskwork or traffic violations. Beat cops though in heavy violent criminal areas face far more danger than say an Andry Griffith from Mayberry. It doesn't make for a good comparison at all to lump them all together.
 
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Fenixgoon

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Your link lists the common fatalities associated with the jobs. Loggers face deaths when trees fall on them. Experienced loggers at a legal job site with the full force of company protection around them minimize the likelyhood of tree's falling on their heads as required by logging industry standards and organizations like OSHA. Loggers that are doing illegal logging typically aren't concerned as much about safety as they are about getting the trees they want out as quickly as possible. The former leads to less fatal accidents and the later doesn't. I don't understand how you can't deduce that yourself.

You'd have been much better off with your comparison instead of excavation workers, steel workers, or garbage collectors instead. They have more dangerous jobs as well overall sort of without illegal activities inflating numbers.

The issue is one of comparability. Policing overall isn't super dangerous as most police in the vast majority of the country don't do any interactions beyond deskwork or traffic violations. Beat cops though in heavy violent criminal areas face far more danger than say an Andry Griffith from Mayberry. It doesn't make for a good comparison at all to lump them all together.

So in short, you have provided no evidence that the majority (or even ANY) of deaths are due to illegal activity. Other than "death occurred therefore it must have been illegal activity" which is an absolutely fantastic jump to a conclusion.

Also you clearly did not read the link. I promise it's just a list, not a Ph.D thesis.

#8 - steel construction workers.
#7 - agricultural workers
#5 - refuse collectors
#4 - roofers
 

HomerJS

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Fuck you.

What the officer that shot did was completely unjustified. He should be sent to jail for murder on this. I already made a thread on this originally before it was locked since this one came first.

That aside, there are more than a few resident race baiters around here in that have claimed in previous threads that this kind of scenarios don't ever happen to white people. You are a piece of garbage here for even thinking I defend cops just for being cops. I defend lawful actions of whomever is being lawful. Your snide remarks show how much you hate white people and the law though.
First of all, NOBODY here has EVER claimed unjustified shootings of white never happen, so more lies from you.

Your M.O is when there is an unjustified shooting of a black person you will bend over backwards to claim it was justified. You'll have to answer why you do this in almost every case. Just go back and look at your comments in the Ahmed Arbery case is a classic example.

IMO this cop will be arrested very soon meanwhile Breonna Taylor's killers are still on the loose.