Yet another example of King Obama thumbing his nose at the Constitution

[Kadarin]

Yet another example of King Obama thumbing his nose at the Constitution Reply to Thread

"King Obama"?

Do you honestly think that Romney would NOT do the same exact thing if he felt it appropriate?

 

[werepossum]

Not at all. I'm frankly disgusted by the whole imperial presidency thing. But, you have to blame congress for alot of the behavior by the executive.

They won't declare any wars, they've essentially, especially this congress, have done nothing, not even passed legislation they agree on.

In fairness, Obama never asked Congress to declare war in Libya. Honestly, I'm not sure it would have been appropriate for him to do so. Basically we helped our NATO allies overthrow a dictator; I don't know you can really say we were at war with Libya or even just with the man of a thousand spellings. I do think he should have asked for Congressional approval and funding, as did Bush, but as it was (and is) a very limited operation in conjunction with and at the behest of our NATO allies, I can't get too torqued about it. If we wish to have allies in our adventures, we have to be allies in theirs.

On a side note, I really wish that when Congress is declaring war, they would just include the words "We declare war on " so that later there's not all this mealy mouthed weaseling of "Well I voted for the use of force with the understanding that force would not be used."

 

[NoStateofMind]

"King Obama"?

Do you honestly think that Romney would NOT do the same exact thing if he felt it appropriate?

Yes i think he'll abuse his authority too but i fail to see why that applies to the current administrations bastardization of executive power. While you are worried about party lines we are all being fleeced.

 

[berzerker60]

In fairness, Obama never asked Congress to declare war in Libya. Honestly, I'm not sure it would have been appropriate for him to do so. Basically we helped our NATO allies overthrow a dictator; I don't know you can really say we were at war with Libya or even just with the man of a thousand spellings. I do think he should have asked for Congressional approval and funding, as did Bush, but as it was (and is) a very limited operation in conjunction with and at the behest of our NATO allies, I can't get too torqued about it. If we wish to have allies in our adventures, we have to be allies in theirs.

On a side note, I really wish that when Congress is declaring war, they would just include the words "We declare war on " so that later there's not all this mealy mouthed weaseling of "Well I voted for the use of force with the understanding that force would not be used."

Also there's the part where if Americans are going to constantly trumpet how amazing and unique and special and freedom-loving we are and worship the founding fathers, we really ought to put up or shut up when other nations rebel against their dictatorial leaders and ask us to give them some aid like France gave us in our revolution.

I'm not saying make it the #1 priority in American foreign policy, but let's also try to at least do some good if we're going to talk about how great an example we are.

 

[berzerker60]

Yes i think he'll abuse his authority too but i fail to see why that applies to the current administrations bastardization of executive power. While you are worried about party lines we are all being fleeced.

Because while you're right and we shouldn't, it was very frustrating spending 8 years complaining about this sort of thing when Bush was having people abducted, detained indefinitely (including Americans with Constitutional rights), held without trial, and tortured, among a million other similar abuses of executive power, and all we got from conservatives was "HOW DARE YOU attack a sitting president in wartime! You pansy lieberals hate America!!!"

Yes, the executive is too free to do whatever he wants, and I do really hate some of the executive power Obama exercises. There's nothing to be done about it, though, and I really think Romney would be worse, desperate as Republicans are to reclaim the "tough on national security" spotlight from the president who ordered the bin Laden assassination. As such, cries of "King Obama abusing powers (that he took over from Bush)" ring a little false, even though you're being clear that you're actually condemning both.

 

[davmat787]

"King Obama"?

Do you honestly think that Romney would NOT do the same exact thing if he felt it appropriate?

Giving our current president a pass because you have a hunch his opposition who most likely won't be elected might do the same and because he has that magical 'D' in front of his name? Priceless mental gymnastics, and just the thinking that is leading us on this race to the bottom.

But Booosh! But Rooomney!

 

[First]

If everything constitutional was left to Congress to decide there would be no purpose to the executive. Congress should have very strong ability to oversee a POTUS' activities, but they should not be able to determine or second-guess every executive decision. Hell, I'd argue they shouldn't be able to determine or second-guess most executive decisions. Congress bogs down everything, they're too slow.

 

[momeNt]

If everything constitutional was left to Congress to decide there would be no purpose to the executive. Congress should have very strong ability to oversee a POTUS' activities, but they should not be able to determine or second-guess every executive decision. Hell, I'd argue they shouldn't be able to determine or second-guess most executive decisions. Congress bogs down everything, they're too slow.

Agreed. In times such as these, with Middle East turmoil impacting American lives so intensely (see: oil), 22nd Amendments need repealing and Congress needs to go on vacation and return only at the pleasure of the President.

 

[HomerJS]

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/06/is_obamas_libyan_attack_legal_or_not.html







If a President can wage war simply by his own will is this not king like powers? Once these wars are waged Congress can simply cut off funding and bring back the balance of power right? No King Obama just diverts funds to carry out war. Is this not a king like action?

The underlying question we must ask ourselves is who have we become? Have we become so comfortable in our lives we allow such atrocities to exist? Have we no respect for the Constitution from which the greatest nation on earth was established? We no longer hold our representative government accountable to their sworn oath to uphold the Constitution. We are and will pay the price for our apathy.

According to Saint Ronald Reagan and Oliver North, perfectly kosher

 

[JTsyo]

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/06/is_obamas_libyan_attack_legal_or_not.html

If a President can wage war simply by his own will is this not king like powers? Once these wars are waged Congress can simply cut off funding and bring back the balance of power right? No King Obama just diverts funds to carry out war. Is this not a king like action?

The underlying question we must ask ourselves is who have we become? Have we become so comfortable in our lives we allow such atrocities to exist? Have we no respect for the Constitution from which the greatest nation on earth was established? We no longer hold our representative government accountable to their sworn oath to uphold the Constitution. We are and will pay the price for our apathy.

Take it up with the Supreme Court, that's what they are there for.

 

[cybrsage]

Take it up with the Supreme Court, that's what they are there for.

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