Soundcard would be onboard, as it's not a big concern for me, but may be upgraded in the future. Cables, I have hundreds (literally) lying around, so that's not an issue. Speakers, I'll be using my home theatre receiver to power sound. Lastly, my monitor will be the Apple 30" LCD, which I already have.
Soundcard would be onboard, as it's not a big concern for me, but may be upgraded in the future. Cables, I have hundreds (literally) lying around, so that's not an issue. Speakers, I'll be using my home theatre receiver to power sound. Lastly, my monitor will be the Apple 30" LCD, which I already have.
Suggest BenQ DW1640 DVD-RW rather than the NEC. BenQ is about the same price and better performance.
i think you should also reduce it to a 3200 venice. upgrade to 2 gigs. if you still have money left, you could even upgrade to a gtx.
Is there a big difference between a 3200+ and a 3500+? Considering there are 4800+ X2's, I always thought 3500+ was the lower end of the barrel. Someone want to correct me?
you will easily be able to overclock a 3200+ to 3500+ levels and beyond. With basic air cooling most ppl get somewhere around 2.4-2.7ghz
i'd go with a different psu than the antec true, by no means is it bad but there are other good psu for less or more powerful units similarly priced:
such as the Enermax EG565P http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103512
or XClio 450w http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817189003
or Fortron 450w http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817104954
i'd go with a different psu than the antec true, by no means is it bad but there are other good psu for less or more powerful units similarly priced:
such as the Enermax EG565P http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103512
or XClio 450w http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817189003
or Fortron 450w http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817104954
Thanks for the PSU advice, I'll def. take out the Antec and go with one of those.
Theoretically though, I can take the 3500+ and overclock it to higher levels then the 3200+ can overclock to, correct? I'm not wasting money, am I?
Oh, and I just realized I forgot a HSF. Any suggestions for some air OC'ing?
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actually all the venice cores overclock more or less the same. all topping out at around 2.7-2.8 if your lucky, the major difference is the multiplier and how that plays a roll in the necessary "FSB" to get you to your overclock. with the 9x multi of the 3000+ your at a 300mhz FSB to get to 2.7 and finding ram for a 1:1 ratio will be more expensive, but you can always take a minor hit in performance and run a divider and not have to worry about it.
as far as the heatsink the retail cooler will work adequately, if your looking for something quieter, then the xp90 with a panaflo is often recommended.
as far as the heatsink the retail cooler will work adequately, if your looking for something quieter, then the xp90 with a panaflo is often recommended.
I thought all the 64's except for the FX-line shipped with their multiplier's locked? I'm not really into OCing, I wouldn't mind bumping up the FSB, but anything else more complex, I might be a bit wary of. This will be used in a PC and home theatre environment (considering it's gonna be powering a 30" LCD), so stability is important to me.
I think I'll go with the XP90 with the Panaflo because noise is a factor (albeit, not a major one) for me. Thanks for the help.
the multipliers are locked, thats why the multi is an issue. to get a higher overclock your FSB will have to be raised higher with a lower model a64 because of the lower locked multi. this is only an issue if you want to keep your memory running at a 1:1 ratio with your FSB, you can run async take a slight performace hit and not have to spend lots on memory that is able to hit 300mhz
How about this?
EVGA 7800GT
FREE MoBo, which is just a rebranded jetway. Read that review, it looks like a very nice MoBo.
AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice
2 GB OCZ value ram
OCZ Modstream 420 watt
Samsung SATAII Hard drive (you pick the size)
By the way, how do games look on that cinema display? Is there much ghosting? Are the colors good? Do any of your games even support that resolution??
EDIT: you could get a 3200+ venice, but you will be wasting your money if you get a 3500+, its really not worth it because you can overclock the 3200+ to those levels or above.
EVGA 7800GT
FREE MoBo, which is just a rebranded jetway. Read that review, it looks like a very nice MoBo.
AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice
2 GB OCZ value ram
OCZ Modstream 420 watt
Samsung SATAII Hard drive (you pick the size)
By the way, how do games look on that cinema display? Is there much ghosting? Are the colors good? Do any of your games even support that resolution??
EDIT: you could get a 3200+ venice, but you will be wasting your money if you get a 3500+, its really not worth it because you can overclock the 3200+ to those levels or above.
Well, my plan right now is to use the 7800GT + the free mobo from eVGA (it's a few posts up). I'm just concerned that the 3000+ isn't "fast enough" to match the 7800.
I haven't done much gaming using the Cinema Display, just played UT2004 for a few hours at a low resolution. There's no noticeable ghosting, as it has a 12ms refresh rate. Colors look great to me. I know HL2 supports that resolution, but even if a game doesn't support the resolution, the game still looks great. I played UT2004 at 1200x800 and it looked pretty damn good.
If you overclock the 3000+ or 3200+, you can get it up to 2.6 ghz at least. That's FX-55 Speeds, much faster than a stock 3500+.
Yup! The venice cores have been known to overclock to 2.7GHz even on AIR!! If you have the money, get the 3200+ instead of the 3000+ because the 3200+ has a 10x multiplier, and that helps some when overclocking.
Oh man, thanks for the help. I'll grab a 3200+ instead of the 3500+ to save some cash. I should get OEM and get the XP90 w/ Panaflo instead of Retail, correct?
Originally posted by: Crescent13
Correct. XP90 + Panaflo =
Could you post all your specs now so I can look over them?
Will do:
AMD Athlon 65 3200+ Venice -$ 190
Thermaltake XP90 - $43
Panaflo Fan - Not sure which one (here)
Corsair PC3200 CAS 2.5 512MBx2 - $91.50
eVGA 7800GT + free eVGA motherboard - $450
Hitachi 250GB 7200RPM SATA - $106
NEC 16x Dual-Layer DVD-RW - $47.15
Thermaltake Tsunami ATX - $100
Antec TruePower 2.0 430W PSU - $80
Now there's another problem. The 3200+ with the XP90 + Panaflo turns out to be more expensive then the retail 3500+. Which one would be better? The 3500+ is $222 retail.
Originally posted by: SLCentral
Originally posted by: Crescent13
Correct. XP90 + Panaflo =
Could you post all your specs now so I can look over them?
Will do:
AMD Athlon 65 3200+ Venice -$ 190
Thermaltake XP90 - $43
Panaflo Fan - Not sure which one (here)
Corsair PC3200 CAS 2.5 512MBx2 - $91.50
eVGA 7800GT + free eVGA motherboard - $450
Hitachi 250GB 7200RPM SATA - $106
NEC 16x Dual-Layer DVD-RW - $47.15
Thermaltake Tsunami ATX - $100
Antec TruePower 2.0 430W PSU - $80
Now there's another problem. The 3200+ with the XP90 + Panaflo turns out to be more expensive then the retail 3500+. Which one would be better? The 3500+ is $222 retail.
okay, I've been doing a bit more research, and it looks like there isn't that much of a difference between the 10x multiplier and the 9x multiplier. So try doing the 3000+ and the xp90. It looks like you can get up to 2.8GHz on xp90 with the 3000+, of course some people get lucky with different chips, so that 2.8GHz speed is not a guarantee. But I CAN guarantee that you will get at LEAST 2.4GHz with an XP90, that's still faster than a 3500+. I thought that Panaflos had higher CFM. Well this fan will work with the xp90 and it pushes almost 120CFM!! For your own good, don't get a hitachi hard drive. I have heard bad things about them. Samsung and Seagate are the two best companies, and since Seagate doesn't have SATAII support, I would say get this hard drive.
Originally posted by: Crescent13
Originally posted by: SLCentral
Originally posted by: Crescent13
Correct. XP90 + Panaflo =
Could you post all your specs now so I can look over them?
Will do:
AMD Athlon 65 3200+ Venice -$ 190
Thermaltake XP90 - $43
Panaflo Fan - Not sure which one (here)
Corsair PC3200 CAS 2.5 512MBx2 - $91.50
eVGA 7800GT + free eVGA motherboard - $450
Hitachi 250GB 7200RPM SATA - $106
NEC 16x Dual-Layer DVD-RW - $47.15
Thermaltake Tsunami ATX - $100
Antec TruePower 2.0 430W PSU - $80
Now there's another problem. The 3200+ with the XP90 + Panaflo turns out to be more expensive then the retail 3500+. Which one would be better? The 3500+ is $222 retail.
okay, I've been doing a bit more research, and it looks like there isn't that much of a difference between the 10x multiplier and the 9x multiplier. So try doing the 3000+ and the xp90. It looks like you can get up to 2.8GHz on xp90 with the 3000+, of course some people get lucky with different chips, so that 2.8GHz speed is not a guarantee. But I CAN guarantee that you will get at LEAST 2.4GHz with an XP90, that's still faster than a 3500+. I thought that Panaflos had higher CFM. Well this fan will work with the xp90 and it pushes almost 120CFM!! For your own good, don't get a hitachi hard drive. I have heard bad things about them. Samsung and Seagate are the two best companies, and since Seagate doesn't have SATAII support, I would say get this hard drive.
Okay, cool. Here's what I got:
Athlon 64 3000+ Venice (Retail) - $146
Samsung SpinPoint P 200GB - $105
Thermaltake Tsunami - $100
Antec 430W TruePower - $80
Vantec 92mm - $17.99
XP90 - $43
BenQ DVD-R 16x - $47
eVGA 7800 GT + Mobo - $450
Now what's missing is RAM. I'm not sure if I should get 1GB or 2GB, and since I'm OCing, what do I need to get? The total above, without RAM, is $950, so I have about $300 MAX, but I don't really want to spend ALL of that on RAM.
Edit: I've been reading up on the Vantec fan, and people are saying it's really loud, and a fan controller is recommended. What do you guys think? Considering this is a work/game/movie environment, noise should be kept to a not annoying level.
I think that you should get 2GB of ram, 2x1GB sticks would be better than 4x512 mb sticks. If I were you, I would get the Vantec and a fan controller. Since you have $300 to spend, just use the extra money you have from the ram and get a fan controller with it. I don't know excatly what RAM speed you should get, but I think just regular pc 3200 should do. How about this RAM, and this fan controller.
EDIT: oh yeah, and this case totally pwns that TT tsunami. I've never seen it this cheap before either.
EDIT: oh yeah, and this case totally pwns that TT tsunami. I've never seen it this cheap before either.
that vantec fan is also gonna sound like a vacuum cleaner, it may push alot of air but check out the db rating 55. where as the panaflo's are around 20-38, huge difference.
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