Yet another ACORN voter fraud attempt

[CADsortaGUY]

Linky

I can't wait for these people to be prosecuted and then hopefully shut down. They are the types of people who make our voting system a joke. Sheesh. I sure hope they don't get any Federal money...

 

[Bowfinger]

Good to see you've already tried and convicted ACORN, even though there's nothing in the story to suggest they are responsible for wrongdoing (as opposed, for example, to the people they're helping to register). I'm sure they're a bunch of slimy communists anyway, what with helping poor people exercise their right to vote.

But hey, speaking of Michigan voter fraud, there's also this story:

Lose your house, lose your vote

Michigan Republicans plan to foreclose African-American voters

The chairman of the Republican Party in Macomb County, Michigan, a key swing county in a key swing state, is planning to use a list of foreclosed homes to block people from voting in the upcoming election as part of the state GOP?s effort to challenge some voters on Election Day.

?We will have a list of foreclosed homes and will make sure people aren?t voting from those addresses,? party chairman James Carabelli told Michigan Messenger in a telephone interview earlier this week. He said the local party wanted to make sure that proper electoral procedures were followed.

State election rules allow parties to assign ?election challengers? to polls to monitor the election. In addition to observing the poll workers, these volunteers can challenge the eligibility of any voter provided they ?have a good reason to believe? that the person is not eligible to vote. One allowable reason is that the person is not a ?true resident of the city or township.?

The Michigan Republicans? planned use of foreclosure lists is apparently an attempt to challenge ineligible voters as not being ?true residents.?

One expert questioned the legality of the tactic.

?You can?t challenge people without a factual basis for doing so,? said J. Gerald Hebert, a former voting rights litigator for the U.S. Justice Department who now runs the Campaign Legal Center, a Washington D.C.-based public-interest law firm. ?I don?t think a foreclosure notice is sufficient basis for a challenge, because people often remain in their homes after foreclosure begins and sometimes are able to negotiate and refinance.?

As for the practice of challenging the right to vote of foreclosed property owners, Hebert called it, ?mean-spirited.?

GOP ties to state?s largest foreclosure law firm

The Macomb GOP?s plans are another indication of how John McCain?s campaign stands to benefit from the burgeoning number of foreclosures in the state. McCain?s regional headquarters are housed in the office building of foreclosure specialists Trott & Trott. The firm?s founder, David A. Trott, has raised between $100,000 and $250,000 for the Republican nominee.

The Macomb County party?s plans to challenge voters who have defaulted on their house payments is likely to disproportionately affect African-Americans who are overwhelmingly Democratic voters. More than 60 percent of all sub-prime loans ? the most likely kind of loan to go into default ? were made to African-Americans in Michigan, according to a report issued last year by the state?s Department of Labor and Economic Growth.

Challenges to would-be voters

Statewide, the Republican Party is gearing up for a comprehensive voter challenge campaign, according to Denise Graves, party chair for Republicans in Genessee County, which encompasses Flint. The party is creating a spreadsheet of election challenger volunteers and expects to coordinate a training with the regional McCain campaign, Graves said in an interview with Michigan Messenger.

Whether the Republicans will challenge voters with foreclosed homes elsewhere in the state is not known.

Kelly Harrigan, deputy director of the GOP?s voter programs, confirmed that she is coordinating the group?s ?election integrity? program. Harrigan said the effort includes putting in place a legal team, as well as training election challengers. She said the challenges to voters were procedural rather than personal. She referred inquiries about the vote challenge program to communications director Bill Nowling, who promised information but did not return calls.

Party chairman Carabelli said that the Republican Party is training election challengers to ?make sure that [voters] are who they say who they are.?

When asked for further details on how Republicans are compiling challenge lists, he said, ?I would rather not tell you all the things we are doing.?

Vote suppression: Not an isolated effort

Carabelli is not the only Republican Party official to suggest the targeting of foreclosed voters. In Ohio, Doug Preisse, director of elections in Franklin County (around the city of Columbus) and the chair of the local GOP, told The Columbus Dispatch that he has not ruled out challenging voters before the election due to foreclosure-related address issues.

Hebert, the voting-rights lawyer, sees a connection between Priesse?s remarks and Carabelli?s plans.

?At a minimum what you are seeing is a fairly comprehensive effort by the Republican Party, a systematic broad-based effort to put up obstacles for people to vote,? he said. ?Nobody is contending that these people are not legally registered to vote.

?When you are comprehensively challenging people to vote,? Hebert went on, ?your goals are two-fold: One is you are trying to knock people out from casting ballots; the other is to create a slowdown that will discourage others,? who see a long line and realize they can?t afford to stay and wait.

Challenging all voters registered to foreclosed homes could disrupt some polling places, especially in the Detroit metropolitan area. According to the real estate Web site RealtyTrac, one in every 176 households in Wayne County, metropolitan Detroit, received a foreclosure filing during the month of July. In Macomb County, the figure was one household in every 285, meaning that 1,834 homeowners received the bad news in just one month. The Macomb County foreclosure rate puts it in the top three percent of all U.S. counties in the number of distressed homeowners.

Wayne, Oakland, Macomb, Kent and Genessee counties were ? in that order ? the counties with the most homeowners facing foreclosure, according to RealtyTrac. As of July, there were more than 62,000 foreclosure filings in the entire state.

Joe Rozell, director of elections for Oakland County in suburban Detroit, acknowledged that challenges such as those described by Carabelli are allowed by law but said they have the potential to create long lines and disrupt the voting process. With 890,000 potential voters closely divided between Democratic and Republican, Oakland County is a key swing county of this swing state.

According to voter challenge directives handed down by Republican Secretary of State Terri Lynn Land, voter challenges need only be ?based on information obtained through a reliable source or means.?

?But poll workers are not allowed to ask the reason? for the challenges, Rozell said. In other words, Republican vote challengers are free to use foreclosure lists as a basis for disqualifying otherwise eligible voters.

David Lagstein, head organizer with the Michigan Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), described the plans of the Macomb GOP as ?crazy.?

?You would think they would think, ?This is going to look too heartless,?? said Lagstein, whose group has registered 200,000 new voters statewide this year and also runs a foreclosure avoidance program. ?The Republican-led state Senate has not moved on the anti-predatory lending bill for over a year and yet [Republicans] have time to prey on those who have fallen victim to foreclosure to suppress the vote.?

Typical RNC slime. Lie, cheat, and steal, anything to win an election. It's in this thread.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Good to see you've already tried and convicted ACORN, even though there's nothing in the story to suggest they are responsible for wrongdoing (as opposed, for example, to the people they're helping to register). I'm sure they're a bunch of slimy communists anyway, what with helping poor people exercise their right to vote.

But hey, speaking of Michigan voter fraud, there's also this story:
DUHversion clipped

Uhh... nowhere did I say they were "tried and convicted". I stated that I can't wait for them to be prosecuted and then hopefully shut down.
But anyway, I am certainly not surprised by your diversion and attempts to ignore the pattern of fraud by ACORN by suggesting they are just "helping the poor people exercise their right to vote". :roll: Are you really that naive or just stuck on stupid?

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Good to see you've already tried and convicted ACORN, even though there's nothing in the story to suggest they are responsible for wrongdoing (as opposed, for example, to the people they're helping to register). I'm sure they're a bunch of slimy communists anyway, what with helping poor people exercise their right to vote.

But hey, speaking of Michigan voter fraud, there's also this story:
DUHversion clipped

Uhh... nowhere did I say they were "tried and convicted". I stated that I can't wait for them to be prosecuted and then hopefully shut down.
But anyway, I am certainly not surprised by your diversion and attempts to ignore the pattern of fraud by ACORN by suggesting they are just "helping the poor people exercise their right to vote". :roll: Are you really that naive or just stuck on stupid?

Prove it.

Or stop your hackery and trolling.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Good to see you've already tried and convicted ACORN, even though there's nothing in the story to suggest they are responsible for wrongdoing (as opposed, for example, to the people they're helping to register). I'm sure they're a bunch of slimy communists anyway, what with helping poor people exercise their right to vote.

But hey, speaking of Michigan voter fraud, there's also this story:
DUHversion clipped

Uhh... nowhere did I say they were "tried and convicted". I stated that I can't wait for them to be prosecuted and then hopefully shut down.
But anyway, I am certainly not surprised by your diversion and attempts to ignore the pattern of fraud by ACORN by suggesting they are just "helping the poor people exercise their right to vote". :roll: Are you really that naive or just stuck on stupid?

Prove it.

Or stop your hackery and trolling.

How old are you? Is this your first election cycle? Sheesh...


http://blog.cleveland.com/metr...d_probes_voter_re.html

http://www.epionline.org/news_detail.cfm?rid=171


Stay ignorant if you wish...

 

[Jhhnn]

Righties had to come up with something, anything, to counter the fraud accusations wrt electronic voting. "Voter Fraud" is it, which is a misrepresentation on its face. It's registration fraud, perpetrated by a few part time employees against their employer, Acorn. None of the fraudulent registrations have ever been shown to actually vote, but facts rarely interfere with the usual attempts to restrict voting by whatever means present themselves, as Bowfinger correctly points out...

I very much favor the Oregonian method of vote by mail- no last minute hold up the line challenges, no lack of booths or machines in selected districts to increase waiting times, no active discouragement of voting... and it encourages voters to research and understand the candidates and initiatives at greater depth...

It also blunts the force of soundbite electioneering...

 

[dsity]

so shouldn't the people who gave out a loan, be prohibited from voting too.....

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Righties had to come up with something, anything, to counter the fraud accusations wrt electronic voting. "Voter Fraud" is it, which is a misrepresentation on its face. It's registration fraud, perpetrated by a few part time employees against their employer, Acorn. None of the fraudulent registrations have ever been shown to actually vote, but facts rarely interfere with the usual attempts to restrict voting by whatever means present themselves, as Bowfinger correctly points out...

I very much favor the Oregonian method of vote by mail- no last minute hold up the line challenges, no lack of booths or machines in selected districts to increase waiting times, no active discouragement of voting... and it encourages voters to research and understand the candidates and initiatives at greater depth...

It also blunts the force of soundbite electioneering...

Right so there is no pattern, it isn't widespread...it's just isolated... :roll: You might have a case if it was one or two people 1 or 2 times but this keeps happening time and time again. Either ACORN is encouraging this behavior or are purposely turning a blind eye to it. Either way - it's their responsibility and problem.

Oh, and I'm sure you're in favor of mailing in votes - most democrats would be since there is no way to know who is actually voting on which ballots.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Good to see you've already tried and convicted ACORN, even though there's nothing in the story to suggest they are responsible for wrongdoing (as opposed, for example, to the people they're helping to register). I'm sure they're a bunch of slimy communists anyway, what with helping poor people exercise their right to vote.

But hey, speaking of Michigan voter fraud, there's also this story:
DUHversion clipped

Uhh... nowhere did I say they were "tried and convicted". I stated that I can't wait for them to be prosecuted and then hopefully shut down.
But anyway, I am certainly not surprised by your diversion and attempts to ignore the pattern of fraud by ACORN by suggesting they are just "helping the poor people exercise their right to vote". :roll: Are you really that naive or just stuck on stupid?

Prove it.

Or stop your hackery and trolling.

How old are you? Is this your first election cycle? Sheesh...


http://blog.cleveland.com/metr...d_probes_voter_re.html

http://www.epionline.org/news_detail.cfm?rid=171


Stay ignorant if you wish...

"Ignorance" on my part or CAD Fail ?

ACORN has submitted about 75,000 voter registration cards to the Cuyahoga board this year.

Board employees are unsure how many of the cards are fraudulent. But the voter registration department received so many suspicious cards that it began compiling a binder with evidence. The binder grew to be an inch-thick.

At its Tuesday meeting, the elections board cancelled five fraudulent registrations submitted by ACORN workers. The cases involved already-registered voters who alerted the board after being notified by mail that their registration records had been updated.

5 out of 75,000 ?? LOL at you

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Good to see you've already tried and convicted ACORN, even though there's nothing in the story to suggest they are responsible for wrongdoing (as opposed, for example, to the people they're helping to register). I'm sure they're a bunch of slimy communists anyway, what with helping poor people exercise their right to vote.

But hey, speaking of Michigan voter fraud, there's also this story:
DUHversion clipped

Uhh... nowhere did I say they were "tried and convicted". I stated that I can't wait for them to be prosecuted and then hopefully shut down.
But anyway, I am certainly not surprised by your diversion and attempts to ignore the pattern of fraud by ACORN by suggesting they are just "helping the poor people exercise their right to vote". :roll: Are you really that naive or just stuck on stupid?

Prove it.

Or stop your hackery and trolling.

How old are you? Is this your first election cycle? Sheesh...


http://blog.cleveland.com/metr...d_probes_voter_re.html

http://www.epionline.org/news_detail.cfm?rid=171


Stay ignorant if you wish...

"Ignorance" on my part or CAD Fail ?

ACORN has submitted about 75,000 voter registration cards to the Cuyahoga board this year.

Board employees are unsure how many of the cards are fraudulent. But the voter registration department received so many suspicious cards that it began compiling a binder with evidence. The binder grew to be an inch-thick.

At its Tuesday meeting, the elections board cancelled five fraudulent registrations submitted by ACORN workers. The cases involved already-registered voters who alerted the board after being notified by mail that their registration records had been updated.

5 out of 75,000 ?? LOL at you

LOL at you for bolding and reading the wrong part. :laugh:

 

[heyheybooboo]

5 out of 75,000 = .000004%

Your 'gotcha' thread title, trolling and hackery show nothing but contempt for America

 

[351Cleveland]

CAD, who needs to wait? They have been prosecuted and convicted accross the country. Obama's ACORN. Convicted coast to coast of voter fraud and tampering. REGARDLESS of if they were volunteers, paid employees, or contractors, there is a clear pattern of corruption and fraud running rampant through this organization. Community organizing at it's finest. I could link stuff all day... the last one has a laundry list in it.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs...icle?AID=2008809140383

http://buzzblog.kcstar.com/?q=node/532

http://seattletimes.nwsource.c...8207_votefraud27m.html

http://www.stltoday.com/forums...ea74ff82f86f56e69af726

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
5 out of 75,000 = .000004%

Your 'gotcha' thread title, trolling and hackery show nothing but contempt for America

You obviously can't read. I'll quote the part you seem to ignore...

Board employees are unsure how many of the cards are fraudulent. But the voter registration department received so many suspicious cards that it began compiling a binder with evidence. The binder grew to be an inch-thick.

Yes, they've dismissed 5 so far but it looks like they have a whole binder full to still go through.

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
5 out of 75,000 = .000004%

Your 'gotcha' thread title, trolling and hackery show nothing but contempt for America

Fail. Convictions nationwide... and finding 5 at one meeting doesnt mean that out of 75,000, there were only 5 found. Point being, ACORN is committing voter fraud coast to coast.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
Obama's ACORN.

Obama was part of ACORN? eh? Or what exactly do you mean by that?

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
Obama's ACORN.

Obama was part of ACORN? eh? Or what exactly do you mean by that?

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/...telinedc/s_488184.html

But back in Chicago, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) is more important than Iraq or Washington. ACORN and its associated Midwest Academy, both founded in the 1970s, continue to train and mobilize activists throughout the country, often using them to manipulate public opinion through "direct action." It's sometimes a code for illegal activities.

Prior to law school, Barack Obama worked as an organizer for their affiliates in New York and Chicago. He always has been an ACORN person -- meeting and working with them to advance their causes. Through his membership on the board of the Woods Fund for Chicago and his friendship with Teresa Heinz Kerry, Obama has helped ensure that they remain funded well.

Since he graduated from law school, Obama's work with ACORN and the Midwest Academy has ranged from training and fundraising, to legal representation and promoting their work.

That's what I mean by it. Another in a long list of "questionable" associations for Obama. One I can see. Two and you are just unlucky. Three... four.... okay, there is something wrong with this picture.

I hate that I cannot find a larger news source, but MSM isnt covering his friends. EDIT: Here are a couple more.

http://online.wsj.com/article/...0943129695651437.html?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09...nion_main_commentaries - Oh darn it, that isnt an Obama link, that is the ACORN embezzlement scandal

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
Obama's ACORN.

Obama was part of ACORN? eh? Or what exactly do you mean by that?

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/...telinedc/s_488184.html

But back in Chicago, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) is more important than Iraq or Washington. ACORN and its associated Midwest Academy, both founded in the 1970s, continue to train and mobilize activists throughout the country, often using them to manipulate public opinion through "direct action." It's sometimes a code for illegal activities.

Prior to law school, Barack Obama worked as an organizer for their affiliates in New York and Chicago. He always has been an ACORN person -- meeting and working with them to advance their causes. Through his membership on the board of the Woods Fund for Chicago and his friendship with Teresa Heinz Kerry, Obama has helped ensure that they remain funded well.

Since he graduated from law school, Obama's work with ACORN and the Midwest Academy has ranged from training and fundraising, to legal representation and promoting their work.

That's what I mean by it. Another in a long list of "questionable" associations for Obama. One I can see. Two and you are just unlucky. Three... four.... okay, there is something wrong with this picture.

I hate that I cannot find a larger news source, but MSM isnt covering his friends. EDIT: Here are a couple more.

http://online.wsj.com/article/...0943129695651437.html?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09...nion_main_commentaries - Oh darn it, that isnt an Obama link, that is the ACORN embezzlement scandal

Interesting, I hadn't heard of the BHO connection with ACORN. I'm not surprised though...

 

[351Cleveland]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
Obama's ACORN.

Obama was part of ACORN? eh? Or what exactly do you mean by that?

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/...telinedc/s_488184.html

But back in Chicago, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) is more important than Iraq or Washington. ACORN and its associated Midwest Academy, both founded in the 1970s, continue to train and mobilize activists throughout the country, often using them to manipulate public opinion through "direct action." It's sometimes a code for illegal activities.

Prior to law school, Barack Obama worked as an organizer for their affiliates in New York and Chicago. He always has been an ACORN person -- meeting and working with them to advance their causes. Through his membership on the board of the Woods Fund for Chicago and his friendship with Teresa Heinz Kerry, Obama has helped ensure that they remain funded well.

Since he graduated from law school, Obama's work with ACORN and the Midwest Academy has ranged from training and fundraising, to legal representation and promoting their work.

That's what I mean by it. Another in a long list of "questionable" associations for Obama. One I can see. Two and you are just unlucky. Three... four.... okay, there is something wrong with this picture.

I hate that I cannot find a larger news source, but MSM isnt covering his friends. EDIT: Here are a couple more.

http://online.wsj.com/article/...0943129695651437.html?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09...nion_main_commentaries - Oh darn it, that isnt an Obama link, that is the ACORN embezzlement scandal

Interesting, I hadn't heard of the BHO connection with ACORN. I'm not surprised though...

Not Suprising. He started with them back in the 90's, but you cant find jack about it anywhere. Well you can, but the places with the information are not news sources.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Interesting, I hadn't heard of the BHO connection with ACORN. I'm not surprised though...

Not Suprising. He started with them back in the 90's, but you cant find jack about it anywhere. Well you can, but the places with the information are not news sources.

No, not at all surprising that a community-minded black man might help a group that works to register poor and minority voters. You say that like it's a bad thing. I suppose you believe that only white, middle-class (or better) suburbanites should vote?

By the way, for all the smoke you're blowing, I still don't see any evidence that ACORN as an organization has participated fraudulent registrations. In all the examples you've linked it sounds like a few dishonest, lazy employees have falsified registrations instead of doing what ACORN paid them to do. I'll also note that for all of 351Clevelnad's yammering about "convictions", only one of the links he gave shows only one person convicted, and he received probation. The same link explicitly mentions that there was no indication this was being done to slant the election, but that it was a bad employee trying to get credit for work he didn't do.

In short, this is a typical duhversionary attack against Democrats. Long on innuendo and accusations, short on substance. Try harder.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Interesting, I hadn't heard of the BHO connection with ACORN. I'm not surprised though...

Not Suprising. He started with them back in the 90's, but you cant find jack about it anywhere. Well you can, but the places with the information are not news sources.

No, not at all surprising that a community-minded black man might help a group that works to register poor and minority voters. You say that like it's a bad thing. I suppose you believe that only white, middle-class (or better) suburbanites should vote?

By the way, for all the smoke you're blowing, I still don't see any evidence that ACORN as an organization has participated fraudulent registrations. In all the examples you've linked it sounds like a few dishonest, lazy employees have falsified registrations instead of doing what ACORN paid them to do. I'll also note that for all of 351Clevelnad's yammering about "convictions", only one of the links he gave shows only one person convicted, and he received probation. The same link explicitly mentions that there was no indication this was being done to slant the election, but that it was a bad employee trying to get credit for work he didn't do.

In short, this is a typical duhversionary attack against Democrats. Long on innuendo and accusations, short on substance. Try harder.

yap yap yap.... same old tired BS from Bowfinger. Why can't you just acknowledge that the organization has a history of fraud? It's all right there, all you have to do is take your blinders off to admit the truth.
But anyway, I've already addressed your BS about a "few" - it's institutional.

OH and again, this has NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE OR THE POOR so you can quit with the strawman lies.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Interesting, I hadn't heard of the BHO connection with ACORN. I'm not surprised though...

Not Suprising. He started with them back in the 90's, but you cant find jack about it anywhere. Well you can, but the places with the information are not news sources.

No, not at all surprising that a community-minded black man might help a group that works to register poor and minority voters. You say that like it's a bad thing. I suppose you believe that only white, middle-class (or better) suburbanites should vote?

By the way, for all the smoke you're blowing, I still don't see any evidence that ACORN as an organization has participated fraudulent registrations. In all the examples you've linked it sounds like a few dishonest, lazy employees have falsified registrations instead of doing what ACORN paid them to do. I'll also note that for all of 351Clevelnad's yammering about "convictions", only one of the links he gave shows only one person convicted, and he received probation. The same link explicitly mentions that there was no indication this was being done to slant the election, but that it was a bad employee trying to get credit for work he didn't do.

In short, this is a typical duhversionary attack against Democrats. Long on innuendo and accusations, short on substance. Try harder.

yap yap yap.... same old tired BS from Bowfinger. Why can't you just acknowledge that the organization has a history of fraud? It's all right there, all you have to do is take your blinders off to admit the truth.
But anyway, I've already addressed your BS about a "few" - it's institutional.

OH and again, this has NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE OR THE POOR so you can quit with the strawman lies.

Put up or shut up. Can you address any of the facts I offered or are dishonest duhversions the best you ever have to offer? What did I say that was inaccurate? Be specific and document it with quotes instead of your usual empty bullshit. This is just like the Des Moines Register thread, where you make ASSertion after ASSertion but never back them up with actual fact, and finally slink away after being repeatedly challenged. You're a joke.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: 351Cleveland

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Interesting, I hadn't heard of the BHO connection with ACORN. I'm not surprised though...

Not Suprising. He started with them back in the 90's, but you cant find jack about it anywhere. Well you can, but the places with the information are not news sources.

No, not at all surprising that a community-minded black man might help a group that works to register poor and minority voters. You say that like it's a bad thing. I suppose you believe that only white, middle-class (or better) suburbanites should vote?

By the way, for all the smoke you're blowing, I still don't see any evidence that ACORN as an organization has participated fraudulent registrations. In all the examples you've linked it sounds like a few dishonest, lazy employees have falsified registrations instead of doing what ACORN paid them to do. I'll also note that for all of 351Clevelnad's yammering about "convictions", only one of the links he gave shows only one person convicted, and he received probation. The same link explicitly mentions that there was no indication this was being done to slant the election, but that it was a bad employee trying to get credit for work he didn't do.

In short, this is a typical duhversionary attack against Democrats. Long on innuendo and accusations, short on substance. Try harder.

yap yap yap.... same old tired BS from Bowfinger. Why can't you just acknowledge that the organization has a history of fraud? It's all right there, all you have to do is take your blinders off to admit the truth.
But anyway, I've already addressed your BS about a "few" - it's institutional.

OH and again, this has NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE OR THE POOR so you can quit with the strawman lies.

Put up or shut up. Can you address any of the facts I offered or are dishonest duhversions the best you ever have to offer? What did I say that was inaccurate? Be specific and document it with quotes instead of your usual empty bullshit. This is just like the Des Moines Register thread, where you make ASSertion after ASSertion but never back them up with actual fact, and finally slink away after being repeatedly challenged. You're a joke.

You have offered nothing except duhversion and strawman arguments yet I have to put up or shut up? I've posted plenty of FACTS in this thread, you might try reading them. You don't acknowledge that it isn't just a "few" or isolated incidents and continue on with this idea that anyone who exposes ACORN is somehow against the poor and/or minorities. You are fundamentally dishonest Bowfinger and it's time for you to quit digging.

 

[IGBT]

..that's the obama rackets.

 

[SilthDraeth]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY




You have offered nothing except duhversion and strawman arguments yet I have to put up or shut up? I've posted plenty of FACTS in this thread, you might try reading them. You don't acknowledge that it isn't just a "few" or isolated incidents and continue on with this idea that anyone who exposes ACORN is somehow against the poor and/or minorities. You are fundamentally dishonest Bowfinger and it's time for you to quit digging.

This is true.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Linky

I can't wait for these people to be prosecuted and then hopefully shut down. They are the types of people who make our voting system a joke. Sheesh. I sure hope they don't get any Federal money...

They have five proved cases of reregistering voters, is that high crimes or mistakes?
An inch thick binder of suspicious registration cards, what's that make, maybe two hundred to investigate?
What we have here boys, is a neocon circle jerk.