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BMW540I6speed

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I do believe an Obama Administration can bring about important changes in our body politic and national conduct. Its less clear if it can bring about serious systematic reforms to the Federal regulatory structure. To do so may require jettisoning long-standing practices about respecting an outgoing Administration's final regulatory orders; doing so could possibly even result in a legal showdown.

In short, there are things an Obama Administration could change with a reasonably free hand, and there are things where precedent and entrenched interests would interfere. Specificity is the key here.

The American people are in the majority tuning out the Republican Party now. And rightly so. The reason they see the truth now is obvious - America as a Nation still trumps the Republican Party. Many now see through the Republican facade. William Buckley Jr. gets it, Colin Powell really gets it, but the Party Leaders and demagogues do not - especially people like Rush, Bush, Bachmann and de Rothschild.

The Party is so imbued in its own Propaganda, in its own sense of Superiority and Self Righteousness. And it still mis-believes it can take America with it. Just listen to the campaign rhetoric coming from McCain and Palin et al. Parts of the country more American than others? More patriotic than others? People more American or more patriotic than others? By what litmus test? Oh right! By whether or not you agree with the Ruling Party on any little thing. And, especially on the little things.

Real Republicans need to seize the levers of the Party, tear it down and rebuild from the grass roots up. Its ownership is too centered in selfish ideological hands and its philosophy has gone Dictatorial and with that power, it has gone Piratical; way too right wing. it is now way out of the mainstream. It has been there a long time already, and held its ground by managing to redefine and move the definition of "mainstream". And demonizing the word "liberal" and "the left" and associating anyone who is not a card carrying Republican with "socialists" and "Messiahs". And, most cryptically, by focusing on the small issues to divide and conquer which is about destruction.

You can't miss that McCain's campaign is all about "spin" to understate rather dramatically. The problem is that the truth is so far off what McCain needs to spin it into, that the spinning takes a legion of spiders. And the web spun from all that spinning, is just tying the ticket to the floor.

The American people are finally seeing what McCain and Obama stand for. They see a stronger leader in Obama, something they hope for. I think Obama will drive his grass roots political movement forward. I say it will not be a Democratic movement, a liberal movement, socialist movement or a radical movement. It will be simply an American movement.

 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: BMW540I6speed


The American people are finally seeing what McCain and Obama stand for. They see a stronger leader in Obama, something they hope for. I think Obama will drive his grass roots political movement forward. I say it will not be a Democratic movement, a liberal movement, socialist movement or a radical movement. It will be simply an American movement.
Heh heh.

The power of community organization. Teaching minorities and poor people everywhere, by any means possible, how to coerce the rest of the population into giving you what you want without earning it.

The great American Bowel Movement. :thumbsup:

 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: techs
Let's see:
Not Bush? Check.
Not McCain? Check.

Expectations met.

Wow.. .you are easily satisfied... Do you not even care if his "redistribute the wealth" will cause companies to scale back hiring people and ultimately lead to more unemployment? Probably not.. as long as its not Bush or McCain, correct? ;-)

Do I care about one statement he made that simply meant it is time for the middle class to get cuts instead of the rich? Nope. No amount of fear and smearing will change that.

The middle class got tax cuts under the Bush administration.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: techs
Let's see:
Not Bush? Check.
Not McCain? Check.

Expectations met.

Wow.. .you are easily satisfied... Do you not even care if his "redistribute the wealth" will cause companies to scale back hiring people and ultimately lead to more unemployment? Probably not.. as long as its not Bush or McCain, correct? ;-)

Do I care about one statement he made that simply meant it is time for the middle class to get cuts instead of the rich? Nope. No amount of fear and smearing will change that.

The middle class got tax cuts under the Bush administration.

And the income gap between rich and poor is at its worst level since the 1920's. Those who voted Bush in 00 and 04 should feel proud they set back their country so far!
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: Evan
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: eleison
Originally posted by: techs
Let's see:
Not Bush? Check.
Not McCain? Check.

Expectations met.

Wow.. .you are easily satisfied... Do you not even care if his "redistribute the wealth" will cause companies to scale back hiring people and ultimately lead to more unemployment? Probably not.. as long as its not Bush or McCain, correct? ;-)

Do I care about one statement he made that simply meant it is time for the middle class to get cuts instead of the rich? Nope. No amount of fear and smearing will change that.

The middle class got tax cuts under the Bush administration.

And the income gap between rich and poor is at its worst level since the 1920's. Those who voted Bush in 00 and 04 should feel proud they set back their country so far!

Funny. That income gap grew during the Clinton administration despite the class warfare rhetoric.
 

winnar111

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"I don't take a dime of their money, and when I am president, they won't find a job in my White House." "

Technically, he's not President during the transition team period, so I guess it's ok. :roll:

Rewind!
 

frostedflakes

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"During the campaign, federal lobbyists could not contribute to or raise money for the campaign...the president-elect is taking those commitments even further by announcing the strictest, and most far reaching ethics rules of any transition team in history."

Believe it or not, not all Obama voters think the guy can walk on water. I kept my expectations realistic, and so far I've been pretty pleased with what he's proposed. At least he's taking a harder stance on lobbying than previous administrations.

This also seems to only be referring to the transition period. Once actually in office, he may very well enforce a strict no lobbying policy.
 

alphatarget1

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Ozoned
I hope that you didn't really have an expectation that Obama wouldn't let Lobbyists serve in his administration.

Lowering expectations, 1 at a time!

but but but people wanted change! ... I wonder if they wanted him to change so soon...?

Like it or not...lobbyists know Washington and in times like these it seems like they're the only ones knowledgeable enough to run Washington.

Obama supporters drank a tad bit too much Obama kool-aid to think that he'll actually change things.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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Change in THIS country can never come all at once. Baby steps.

Obama, if successful, will merely be the stepping stone for real change in this country. We needed to break free of the status quo first, and Obama did just that.
 

alphatarget1

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Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Change in THIS country can never come all at once. Baby steps.

Obama, if successful, will merely be the stepping stone for real change in this country. We needed to break free of the status quo first, and Obama did just that.

That's not how he started his campaign. He campaigned as someone who will lead radical change to clean up Washington.

I don't like liars, do you? I guess it doesn't matter for partisan hacks as long as you agree with their politics.
 

frostedflakes

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Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Change in THIS country can never come all at once. Baby steps.

Obama, if successful, will merely be the stepping stone for real change in this country. We needed to break free of the status quo first, and Obama did just that.

That's not how he started his campaign. He campaigned as someone who will lead radical change to clean up Washington.

I don't like liars, do you? I guess it doesn't matter for partisan hacks as long as you agree with their politics.
And McCain was going to balance the budget in his first term...

It's politics, what do you expect? Lots of promises are made, not all are kept. The fact that Obama at least seems determined to reduce lobbying in DC is a step in the right direction IMO, and a lot more "change" than we've seen during the last eight years.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Ozoned
I hope that you didn't really have an expectation that Obama wouldn't let Lobbyists serve in his administration.

Lowering expectations, 1 at a time!

but but but people wanted change! ... I wonder if they wanted him to change so soon...?

Like it or not...lobbyists know Washington and in times like these it seems like they're the only ones knowledgeable enough to run Washington.

Obama supporters drank a tad bit too much Obama kool-aid to think that he'll actually change things.

True. The point here is that BHO sold a bill of goods to his flock and they lapped it up when the rest of us saw it for the BS it really was. I don't have a problem with lobbyists perse but when someone promises and makes claims - then doesn't follow through now that it's convenient they get called for the liar they are.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: piasabird
Show me the Middle Class Tax Cut or resign!

Otherwise I will support nothing Obama does.
I suppose you'll want it within the first 100 days.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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If you support the GOP there is absolutely no way you can criticize Obama for not holding up to all his promises.

Where the fuck were you the last 8 years? Your party damn near destroyed the fabric of this nation. May you never gain power again, never again.
 

trenchfoot

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Yep, just as predicted, Obama's detractors want us to completely forget who got us into this horrible economic mess we're in and how much more horrible it would be if the neocons kept power away from the middle class and the poor.

So now we have a champion of the middle class and the poor and the nitpicking and negative image alchemy and conjuring has begun in earnest...and Obama hasn't even gotten into office yet. This is just so much fun.

Here is Obama, who has the means and the methods, the tools and the talent and the youth and strength to dig us out of the hole the repubs put us in. Yet these very repubs whose leaders screwed things up so badly wants us to remain under their rule for more of the same. Geeez Louise....I'm just so glad the clear headed and unanimous majority of Americans saw to it that that horrible cycle was terminated before it's third term.

I mean, how much more horrible were things supposed to get before even the repubs would have to admit that "their way" was just not working?

This behavior and mindset of the repubs reminds me of the "crabs in a bucket" analogy whereby any crab that reaches the lip of the bucket to finally succeed in escaping will be pulled back down into the bucket by the other crabs that are also trying to get out in an endless mindless excersize in futility.

In Obama, we at least have a chance for a brand spanking new way to see us through the hard times that the repub leadership have gotten us in, and maybe even get us back to where we as a nation were before the BIG LIE began.

What Board of Directors and investors would keep or hire an CEO and staff the likes of Bush, Cheney and others of their ilk that managed to put us so deeply in debt, that managed to ruin the reputation and image of the Nation and that managed to DECEIVE the Board and investors into starting a war that bankrupted us and that is now being financed by the Chinese?

Who in their right mind would want any more of that?

edit - syntax
 

OneOfTheseDays

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In electing Obama the Democrats have finally challenged the GOP on their ace in the hole, race.

They went right into the lion's den and elected a half-black candidate. The GOP was not at all prepared for Obama. They weren't prepared for the influx of new black and young voters that helped swing states like NC and VA into Obama's corner. They thought they could Willie Horton Obama and squeak out another narrow victory with their tried and true Southern Strategy.

It didn't work. It didn't work because America's demographics are changing. Minorities, especially Hispanics, make up large voting blocks in states like CO and NM. They are voting for Democrats almost 70%. The GOP simply cannot win with the Southern strategy if the minority population increases and their support for the Democratic party stays the same.

Obama tapped into something that the GOP has long neglected, and that is the Great American Hope. They have spent so many years preaching fear and hatred they simply could not understand why Obama won the way he won. Many are still in disbelief.

 

Robor

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Ozoned
I hope that you didn't really have an expectation that Obama wouldn't let Lobbyists serve in his administration.

Lowering expectations, 1 at a time!

but but but people wanted change! ... I wonder if they wanted him to change so soon...?

What's your point? Do you really plan to get a righty circle jerk going every time Obama doesn't conform 100% to his campaigning? Here's a clue: Change doesn't mean change everything and it doesn't have to happen right now. The country and most of the world is in a bad situation. It's not going to turn around overnight. Speaking of change, you known the change I liked? The rest of the fucking world celebrating the election of Obama instead of burning our flag. How many days until 1/20/09 when we through the worst administration in history out of power?
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
Change in THIS country can never come all at once. Baby steps.

Obama, if successful, will merely be the stepping stone for real change in this country. We needed to break free of the status quo first, and Obama did just that.

That's not how he started his campaign. He campaigned as someone who will lead radical change to clean up Washington.

I don't like liars, do you? I guess it doesn't matter for partisan hacks as long as you agree with their politics.
And McCain was going to balance the budget in his first term...

It's politics, what do you expect? Lots of promises are made, not all are kept. The fact that Obama at least seems determined to reduce lobbying in DC is a step in the right direction IMO, and a lot more "change" than we've seen during the last eight years.

Bush is leaving, McCain is irrelevant, but keep beating that dead horse....
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Ozoned
I hope that you didn't really have an expectation that Obama wouldn't let Lobbyists serve in his administration.

Lowering expectations, 1 at a time!

but but but people wanted change! ... I wonder if they wanted him to change so soon...?

What's your point? Do you really plan to get a righty circle jerk going every time Obama doesn't conform 100% to his campaigning? Here's a clue: Change doesn't mean change everything and it doesn't have to happen right now. The country and most of the world is in a bad situation. It's not going to turn around overnight. Speaking of change, you known the change I liked? The rest of the fucking world celebrating the election of Obama instead of burning our flag. How many days until 1/20/09 when we through the worst administration in history out of power?

Radical flag burning jihadists are celebrating Obama's victory?
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Ozoned
I hope that you didn't really have an expectation that Obama wouldn't let Lobbyists serve in his administration.

Lowering expectations, 1 at a time!

but but but people wanted change! ... I wonder if they wanted him to change so soon...?

What's your point? Do you really plan to get a righty circle jerk going every time Obama doesn't conform 100% to his campaigning? Here's a clue: Change doesn't mean change everything and it doesn't have to happen right now. The country and most of the world is in a bad situation. It's not going to turn around overnight. Speaking of change, you known the change I liked? The rest of the fucking world celebrating the election of Obama instead of burning our flag. How many days until 1/20/09 when we through the worst administration in history out of power?

Radical flag burning jihadists are celebrating Obama's victory?

You would have a point if it was just radical jihadists that burned our flag.

Edit: You ignored my point about much of the world celebrating Obama's election too. How many foreign countries were celebrating Bush's victory in 2004?