Yes we can,,,,,but not right now.

[techs]

Originally posted by: AAjax
Change, you can believe in*


*Change is not to be associated with actions of any kind, side effects may include disappointment, anger and apathy. Use only under government direction.

I lol'ed

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: RY62

So, does this mean that the waters aren't receding and the planet hasn't begun to heal?

Yes we can... maybe sorta think about possibly doing some stuff at a future point in time.

Changed the title to reflect your post.

 

[Thump553]

So your point is don't even hope of any meaningful change, settle instead for the same old, same old?

 

[Ozoned]

Shit in one hand, hope with the other. See which one gets full first.

 

[umbrella39]

Should he or any candidate have run a campaign about depression and no hope of change? I don't understand what the big deal is here. All presidential candidates talk up the great things they are going to do once elected. I think everyone knows by now that talk and walk are two different things. I also think everyone knows the problems facing our country won't be solved in the first 100 days. First 1000? Maybe...

 

[crisscross]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
The Obama campaign's soaring rhetoric has set unrealistic expectations for what his Administration can hope to achieve.

Hopefully, he is equally competent in managing, and inevitably lowering, the expectations he has set.

All great movements start with great rhetoric. MLK, Ghandi, US Founding Fathers, Mohammed, Jesus, Moses, etc...

Obama may not succeed, only time will tell, but first one needs to Inspire.

At least spell his name right.. it's Gandhi I could never understand how so many Americans smell his name wrong.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: umbrella39
Should he or any candidate have run a campaign about depression and no hope of change? I don't understand what the big deal is here. All presidential candidates talk up the great things they are going to do once elected. I think everyone knows by now that talk and walk are two different things. I also think everyone knows the problems facing our country won't be solved in the first 100 days. First 1000? Maybe...

You underestimate the power of community organization. When you show people in minority situations how to coerce the rest of the population to give them what they want, things can happen rather quickly.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Clinton had very little to do with the economy America enjoyed under his Administration.

Of course the disaster we are in now has nothing to do with Bush but is still 100% Bill Clintons fault as said by the GOP chairman this morning on CBS news and you right?

 

[Jhhnn]

Face it, guys- 8 years of Repub sponsored class warfare looting have hurt us rather badly, particularly falling not too far behind 12 years of looting under RR and GHWB.

It always takes longer to heal than to get hurt, and the first thing that has to happen is to stop the bleeding... and to convince the patient that their situation isn't hopeless...

Nobody said it'd be easy. The only thing that's been easy has been falling into the not-so-tender trap of the Rightwing, the illusion of faux prosperity based on debt and deception. Massive federal debt acquired under repubs is intended to hobble the govt, to prevent meaningful change, and will have that effect for decades to come.

We still have a chance, even if it's been diminished. Let's take it.

 

[Rainsford]

What is with this black and white worldview the Republicans have going on? Between no change at all and tons of change on day 1, there is plenty of room for reasonable change...that's the spot Obama is obviously aiming for, and he just wants to make sure his supporters don't expect something unrealistic. Obama himself never promised anything like that, but it's easy to get caught up in the idea. This doesn't mean he's going to be the candidate of no change like McCain though, so I'm not entirely sure what the point of this is.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: eleison

Originally posted by: techs
Let's see:
Not Bush? Check.
Not McCain? Check.

Expectations met.

Wow.. .you are easily satisfied... Do you not even care if his "redistribute the wealth" will cause companies to scale back hiring people and ultimately lead to more unemployment? Probably not.. as long as its not Bush or McCain, correct? ;-)

You mean tax the wealthiest at the same rate as under Bill Clinton?

Let me see.

Bill Clintons economy versus George Bushes economy?

Yes, please, may I have another eight years of the Clinton economy.

Let's see Bill Clinton created and was over one of the largest economic bubbles, underfunded the military and established free trade.

Let's see GWB is in two wars, a housing bubble, 9/11 and a recession.

To come off acting like you know anything at best is just silly. Do more research next time.

 

[Vic]

There's no logic to this particular attack, it's just emotional and catch-22 silly. It starts with the false premise that, to support Obama, we have to believe he is some kind of political god. But of course, he's not one. So therefore, all Obama supporters are koolaid drinkers. Sorry, wingnuts, this angle won't win you many votes.
The reason is because it only ends up reinforcing the general consensus based from the actions of his own campaign that, while Obama may be too liberal in ideology for some, he is also pragmatic and conservative in action. Rational and not too hasty. This contrasts against McCain's "maverick" campaign which seems to jump, willy-nilly without thought or reason, into every political pool without checking the water first.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: OrByte
A pragmatic, rational, and intelligent approach to governing.

Imagine that! :thumbsup:

Um, maybe he should've been honest to the people instead of running on this HOPE bullsh!t that any intelligent person can see right through?

The people are to blame for electing (most likely) tools like Obama.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: Vic
There's no logic to this particular attack, it's just emotional and catch-22 silly. It starts with the false premise that, to support Obama, we have to believe he is some kind of political god. But of course, he's not one.

Many young Obamabots really believe that he is the Messiah.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Well, He told you what you wanted,,,,change, Now he is preparing to tell your expectations are unrealistic???? Just another well funded politician,

No, just a politican with the right ideas and agenda that will take longer to implement. When Obama first announced his platform, we were mired in trillions of dollars of current and future debt from the Bushwhackos' war of lies in Iraq.

Since then, the financial meltdown has significantly increased that negative cash flow. The Bushwhackos are directly responsible for both of those economic drains, and John McCain supported both the war and the deregulation that caused the meltdown.

The means and the goals remain the same. It shouldn't be any suprise that achieving those goals will take longer.

 

[SP33Demon]

This is supposed to be bad for Obama? ROFL

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: OrByte
A pragmatic, rational, and intelligent approach to governing.

Imagine that! :thumbsup:

Um, maybe he should've been honest to the people instead of running on this HOPE bullsh!t that any intelligent person can see right through?

The people are to blame for electing (most likely) tools like Obama.

Uh... hope and change are hardly new or unique political campaign slogans... :roll:

Plus, compared to McCain, it's at the very least 'some hope' versus no hope at all, so I fail to see the dishonesty.
Back in the primaries, Pat Buchanan made a statement about a possible McCain presidency that I still feel summed it up very well, "The jobs are never coming back, the illegals are never going home, but we're gonna have a lot more wars."
That's McCain this election in a nutshell, and why I have never been able to support him.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: Vic
There's no logic to this particular attack, it's just emotional and catch-22 silly. It starts with the false premise that, to support Obama, we have to believe he is some kind of political god. But of course, he's not one.

Many young Obamabots really believe that he is the Messiah.

Really? I hear this echoed a lot but have never actually seen anyone, or mass groups of people for that matter, that think Obama is some sort of God.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: Vic
There's no logic to this particular attack, it's just emotional and catch-22 silly. It starts with the false premise that, to support Obama, we have to believe he is some kind of political god. But of course, he's not one.

Many young Obamabots really believe that he is the Messiah.

That's an exaggeration, but SO WHAT? You act like there is something wrong with being an inspirational leader. There isn't.
And in fact, with troubling times on the horizon for America, I believe that's exactly the kind of leader America needs right now. Or at the very least someone more inspirational than monotone McCain.
FFS, we're electing someone to be the President of this country. Don't you think that he should at least be Presidential?

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: Vic
There's no logic to this particular attack, it's just emotional and catch-22 silly. It starts with the false premise that, to support Obama, we have to believe he is some kind of political god. But of course, he's not one.

Many young Obamabots really believe that he is the Messiah.

Really? I hear this echoed a lot but have never actually seen anyone, or mass groups of people for that matter, that think Obama is some sort of God.

I hear this too but don't know of the source or an example. I think to put anyone up on a pedastal and make them a messiah-like figure is weak.

Anyone have an example of a person or group of people claiming that he's a messiah? (other than prankster slogan writers.)

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: Vic
There's no logic to this particular attack, it's just emotional and catch-22 silly. It starts with the false premise that, to support Obama, we have to believe he is some kind of political god. But of course, he's not one.

Many young Obamabots really believe that he is the Messiah.

Really? I hear this echoed a lot but have never actually seen anyone, or mass groups of people for that matter, that think Obama is some sort of God.

I hear this too but don't know of the source or an example. I think to put anyone up on a pedastal and make them a messiah-like figure is weak.

Anyone have an example of a person or group of people claiming that he's a messiah? (other than prankster slogan writers.)

I think they're just upset that a Democratic candidate can gather such huge crowds and so significantly out-fundraise the Republican candidate. The former hasn't happened since Bill Clinton, and the latter hasn't happened in decades.
It represents a major shift in political campaigning in this country, and one the Pubs are having trouble adjusting to. Remember that Bush (I and II) won by flying from one big dollar per plate fundraiser to another, without hardly ever even speaking at public rallies. McCain opened that up a bit with his town hall formats, but it's still not the same thing.
The irony here is that McCain's own legislation made this possible.

 

[Jhhnn]

Many young Obamabots really believe that he is the Messiah.

How could they be so wrong? After all, Ronnie was the Messiah, his every thought and deed worshipped by his followers, his exploits the stuff of myth and fable...

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Vic
...
I think they're just upset that a Democratic candidate can gather such huge crowds and so significantly out-fundraise the Republican candidate. The former hasn't happened since Bill Clinton, and the latter hasn't happened in decades.
It represents a major shift in political campaigning in this country, and one the Pubs are having trouble adjusting to. Remember that Bush (I and II) won by flying from one big dollar per plate fundraiser to another, without hardly ever even speaking at public rallies. McCain opened that up a bit with his town hall formats, but it's still not the same thing.
The irony here is that McCain's own legislation made this possible.

I agree. Their arrogant ways have come back to bite them. I wish I could get more pleasure from their suffering.

I'd still like to know if anyone has actually described obama in messiah-like terms or this has been fabricated by political tricksters.

And, I'll say it again - if I didn't know mcccain was a sell-out, I'd have some sympathy for him. (That's ignoring his vp choice.)

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

Many young Obamabots really believe that he is the Messiah.

How could they be so wrong? After all, Ronnie was the Messiah, his every thought and deed worshipped by his followers, his exploits the stuff of myth and fable...

Yeah, that's a little disturbing. It seems to be growing, too. I think repugs might be setting themselves up for failure in looking for another reagan. Some may not remember buchwald's "While Reagan Slept". And, he wasn't really present the last 2-3 years of his last term. We might be witnessing the making of a myth, albeit a false one.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: crisscross

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
The Obama campaign's soaring rhetoric has set unrealistic expectations for what his Administration can hope to achieve.

Hopefully, he is equally competent in managing, and inevitably lowering, the expectations he has set.

All great movements start with great rhetoric. MLK, Ghandi, US Founding Fathers, Mohammed, Jesus, Moses, etc...

Obama may not succeed, only time will tell, but first one needs to Inspire.

At least spell his name right.. it's Gandhi I could never understand how so many Americans smell his name wrong.

lawl