Yes Virginia, there IS water on the moon

[HannibalX]

The ridiculous amount of money spent on discoveries like this don't help anyone. In no way does society progress. In no way are any problems solved. It's a complete waste of time for what amounts to nothing more than a hobby.

I look at people who are against space exploration as tyrants. You would rather us spend money here on problems you think would advance society in the direction you want it to. Spending money in space which could eventually lead to people to leave this planet and no longer be under the control of governments on Earth is something a tyrant wouldn't approve... losing control of people.

 

[BrownShoes]

They should fill a rocket with powder and crash it into the crater to make Kool-Aid.

 

[meltdown75]

I look at people who are against space exploration as tyrants. You would rather us spend money here on problems you think would advance society instead of spending money in space which could eventually lead to people leaving this planet and no longer being under the control of governments on Earth.

exactly. us forward thinkers will be the founders of the Federation.

 

[moshquerade]

I don't support PETA. Does that mean I'm anti-animals?

I was referring to what he said. It wasn't a generalized statement about every comparison in the universe.

 

[rbV5]

My point is there are no benefits. Water on the moon? Guess what, there's water right here on Earth. Costs you a dollar, comes packaged in a bottle.

How about we spend the same amount of money developing a means to get clean water to countries right here on earth that don't have it?

Costs you a dollar, comes packaged in a bottle. Send it to them. Next?

 

[moshquerade]

My point is there are no benefits. Water on the moon? Guess what, there's water right here on Earth. Costs you a dollar, comes packaged in a bottle.

You really should get one of these

and drink good ole tap water. Those plastic water bottles are taking over the planet. Not to mention paying a buck for one of them. You could say a lot of money there in the name of science. : /

 

[Howard]

love is a curse

Don't you mean it's a worse?

 

[daniel1113]

you can't be one and not the other.

I was referring to what he said. It wasn't a generalized statement about every comparison in the universe.

And I was merely pointing out that the logic is the same in my example as your example. Being against one organization in a particular field does not mean that same person is against everything that field of study has to offer.

 

[sandorski]

Don't you mean it's a worse?

This post gave me H1N1....

 

[moshquerade]

And I was merely pointing out that the logic is the same in my example as your example. Being against one organization in a particular field does not mean that same person is against everything that field of study has to offer.

in this case he was expressing just that.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Science is advanced in order to help society. NASA spends billions of dollars launching junk into space just to find water on the moon or another planet, which helps nobody and in no way advances science. How about we spend the same amount of money developing a means to get clean water to countries right here on earth that don't have it? Why waste our time trying to locate intelligent life in space at the cost of ignoring the life here on earth? NASA isn't about science or advancement.

The NASA budget is about 1% of the portion of the budget spent on social programs (not that I expect you'd be for those either). NASA is not keeping food out of the mouths of the homeless. But why would someone who finds no intrinsic value in knowledge know something like that?

 

[daniel1113]

in this case he was expressing just that.

Woooooooosh.

 

[moshquerade]

Woooooooosh.

you're the man now.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I understand that science of tomorrow is built on science of today, and there are expenditures involved. But NASA spends more money than anyone with little return. They were ahead of their time, we aren't anywhere near ready for space.

What you don't seem to understand is that space science has already paid off.

It's rather interesting that know what will pay off and what will not. I'd love a shot at the crystal ball on your desk.

Useless science. Looking at mold. Ridiculous. Playing with minerals and keys and photographic film. Pointless.

On and on, the wastes of time brought about that which you enjoy now.

You? You insist we buy only winning lottery tickets.

Nope. Fail.

 

[Fritzo]

I look at people who are against space exploration as tyrants. You would rather us spend money here on problems you think would advance society in the direction you want it to. Spending money in space which could eventually lead to people to leave this planet and no longer be under the control of governments on Earth is something a tyrant wouldn't approve... losing control of people.

Actually people that are against the space program are ignorant. They have no information on the subject, so they make up their own, believe it, and then say the ideas they made up are ridiculous.

So, how's this for a tangible reason for going to the moon:

The moon is LOADED with a substance called helium-3. Fusion power research is nearing the point where we're close to making a reactor (side note: we know about fusion from learning about what powers stars, which came from space research). Helium-3 is the prefered fuel used in fusion reactions. It is very rare on Earth, but the moon is covered in the stuff. Sending people to the moon will provide the fuel for a limitless source of energy. However, to get people there, we need to know if we can make an environment where people can survive. It now apears we can because of the water that was found there. This is just one of many applications of moon colonization.

Do we understand the importance of this research now?

 

[shortylickens]

Even if there is water on the moon wouldn't life there be impossible due to the constant danger of meteorites?

Thats been the general consensus. People here on earth sometimes forget how good we have it because the atmosphere absorbs about 99% of all incoming objects and those last 1% are made considerably smaller upon entry.
They'd need to reinstate the Star Wars program to blast objects before they collide with the moon and its inhabitants.

 

[tranceport]

Science is advanced in order to help society. NASA spends billions of dollars launching junk into space just to find water on the moon or another planet, which helps nobody and in no way advances science. How about we spend the same amount of money developing a means to get clean water to countries right here on earth that don't have it? Why waste our time trying to locate intelligent life in space at the cost of ignoring the life here on earth? NASA isn't about science or advancement.

No where here does it say science has to help society. In fact science sometimes hurts society. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/science

It's a hard cold fact that in order for humanity to survive we have to eventually leave this planet. Now is a good time to start as any. One of the first things we will need is water.

 

[Kirby]

Actually people that are against the space program are ignorant. They have no information on the subject, so they make up their own, believe it, and then say the ideas they made up are ridiculous.

So, how's this for a tangible reason for going to the moon:

The moon is LOADED with a substance called helium-3. Fusion power research is nearing the point where we're close to making a reactor (side note: we know about fusion from learning about what powers stars, which came from space research). Helium-3 is the prefered fuel used in fusion reactions. It is very rare on Earth, but the moon is covered in the stuff. Sending people to the moon will provide the fuel for a limitless source of energy. However, to get people there, we need to know if we can make an environment where people can survive. It now apears we can because of the water that was found there. This is just one of many applications of moon colonization.

Do we understand the importance of this research now?

But how does this help Malak provide porn and cheetos to his mom's basement! It's useless!

 

[Elias824]

Actually people that are against the space program are ignorant. They have no information on the subject, so they make up their own, believe it, and then say the ideas they made up are ridiculous.

So, how's this for a tangible reason for going to the moon:

The moon is LOADED with a substance called helium-3. Fusion power research is nearing the point where we're close to making a reactor (side note: we know about fusion from learning about what powers stars, which came from space research). Helium-3 is the prefered fuel used in fusion reactions. It is very rare on Earth, but the moon is covered in the stuff. Sending people to the moon will provide the fuel for a limitless source of energy. However, to get people there, we need to know if we can make an environment where people can survive. It now apears we can because of the water that was found there. This is just one of many applications of moon colonization.

Do we understand the importance of this research now?

+1

 

[kstu]

Who's this Malak guy? Never noticed him before and now he's popping up everywhere spreading his idiot thoughts all around.

 

[JeepinEd]

Science is advanced in order to help society. NASA spends billions of dollars launching junk into space just to find water on the moon or another planet, which helps nobody and in no way advances science. How about we spend the same amount of money developing a means to get clean water to countries right here on earth that don't have it? Why waste our time trying to locate intelligent life in space at the cost of ignoring the life here on earth? NASA isn't about science or advancement.

I have the perfect solution.
Let NASA do what it does best and you can pray to your god for rain so people can have water.

 

[destrekor]

I have the perfect solution.
Let NASA do what it does best and you can pray to your god for rain so people can have water.

don't forget to leave him behind on Earth when we abandon this heap. Unless we don't, which means the species is doomed to extinction, absofuckinglutely guaranteed. Hopefully we can get the species off this rock before that happens.

 

[dguy6789]

Who's this Malak guy? Never noticed him before and now he's popping up everywhere spreading his idiot thoughts all around.

Just another ridiculous religious guy, nothing new to see here

 

[Jeff7]

The ridiculous amount of money spent on discoveries like this don't help anyone. In no way does society progress. In no way are any problems solved. It's a complete waste of time for what amounts to nothing more than a hobby.

Damn scientists, always wasting time and money on pointless BS. Why just look at how much time was wasted on pure science, like the discovery of the electron, and quantifying its properties. What a waste.

don't forget to leave him behind on Earth when we abandon this heap. Unless we don't, which means the species is doomed to extinction, absofuckinglutely guaranteed. Hopefully we can get the species off this rock before that happens.

Screw that, send him off in the B-Ark.

I understand that science of tomorrow is built on science of today, and there are expenditures involved. But NASA spends more money than anyone with little return. They were ahead of their time, we aren't anywhere near ready for space.

Many useful inventions today are built on the "useless" science of yesterday.
Like I said, the electron was once an utterly pointless pursuit. A particle with a mass of something like 1*10^-31 kg? (probably off by a few orders of magnitude)
Such a tiny particle, what possible use could that have?

Science is advanced in order to help society. NASA spends billions of dollars launching junk into space just to find water on the moon or another planet, which helps nobody and in no way advances science. How about we spend the same amount of money developing a means to get clean water to countries right here on earth that don't have it? Why waste our time trying to locate intelligent life in space at the cost of ignoring the life here on earth? NASA isn't about science or advancement.

Complain about truly frivolous expenditures.
You know, like cigarette sales (one year of that could fund NASA for 4-5 years), or the money we willingly spend on movies, or the money we spend on greeting cards, or the money we spend on cable TV.

NASA is a place where scientists can advance our understanding of the Universe for its own sake, and in the process push our technology to its limits.
And if you lack the foresight and wisdom to see the benefits of learning about nature, from a source that isn't several thousand years old, well, I'm just glad you aren't writing our policy and setting budgets concerning the scientific community. Otherwise, we'd likely be reading by firelight again, courtesy of a "witch" being burned in the town square.

Even if there is water on the moon wouldn't life there be impossible due to the constant danger of meteorites?

Digging underground would provide some shelter, at least from the micrometeorites.
As for larger ones, that's why we need rovers with pulse laser arrays. Ishikawa Komuro Laboratory in Japan already has the necessary high-speed tracking cameras.

 

[destrekor]

Malak, you're foolishness is downright scary.

It's the exact same thought patterns that led to early scientists using early astronomy to gauge a guess that the Earth is, gasp, NOT the center of everything. Hell, it took fucking forever for the idiots at the center of the Christ guy's religion, with the guy at the Vatican with the funny hat finally agreeing with "you know what... I guess we can believe your science, this time."

Scientists have been at the center of a lot of catcalls of "HEATHEN!" and in general loathed by a lot of society, off and on again for quite a few hundred years.
Many believe it's useless. Many humorously also believe we are somehow special, we and the Earth are meant for each other (some truth to that, we did come out of the Earth's lovely irradiated soup after all), and that everything the way it is is just peachy and perfect.

The only "perfect" humans are the utterly uneducated ones that grew up in caves forever ago. They lived in harmony with the ecosystem. Weren't lazy, weren't praying, did whatever was absolutely necessary, and in general, were quality animals. We, we are retarded animals at the moment. But that's because what we do is not instinct. And because of that, we absolutely have to keep progressing, remaining stationary will doom us all. The Earth cannot support a growing population at any stage of social development. AND, if we think we are truly worthy as a species, we must realize calling a single point in space home is guaranteed extinction at some point in history.

Most humans couldn't give two shits about future generations. Why? Why do anything today that will have a positive impact on the future? That means I can't do what I want now, when I'M alive.
Go join the masses who will welcome oblivion with open arms because they cannot bother to do some painful work now so that it's easy later.

The easier we take things now, the more fucked up the future will be. It has happened every single fucking generation prior to now. Every generation takes the easy way out of every problem they encounter [that has an impact on society]. Guess, just guess, where that gets us?
Bailing banks out, instead of letting them fail, going through a terrible depression, but having something better in the end that rises from the dreary world.
BUT... BUT... that means we have to go through a terrible depression?! HELL NO, we're gonna throw everything we got so we can keep things comfortable and keep everything the way they are... oh.. shit.., that's why things are the way they are now, because we keep things the same? Ohhh... I done fucked up. My bad.

Every time you make the easy choice, your literally fucking your children and their children, and figuratively, with a pine cone wider than the last. Eventually, that pine cone is going to kill them before they had an opportunity to decide for themselves how to fuck themselves. Every generation of man deserves the right to choose for themselves how they are going to fuck over the next generation. Don't make that choice for them!

Because seriously, we are doomed as a species. Doesn't really matter. Wait, fuck... this is what I was trying to NOT prove. son of a bitch.

Let's help out the future and get them into space. Not because we care whether other life is out there, but because we need places to go when we destroy the Earth's capability to support an insanely massive population of the most retarded creature to ever crawl on its surface.