Yeah, more racial bigotry

[Red Dawn]

I remember that you initially had him in the "guilty" column, but as facts came out you changed your mind. That's why I never brought you up specifically as one of those from the other thread. You knew you had missed on the initial assessment and changed as facts came out.

You mention the press. Well, they had him tried in advance, and they found themselves caught in an awkward situation, not being able to use the tried and true bad cop line. Some even had to backpedal, bringing up his "heroism" since they clearly couldn't railroad this guy.

The assumption was "White Cop Bad" "Black Prof Good"

In a way that's not only insulting to the police, but the black community. We hear about black history, and having the White Man's Burden, we make excuses for the poor black things who aren't yet able to tell right from wrong.

No matter how intelligent, hardworking or diligent they may be, they are after all not able to tell right from wrong sometimes.

That is something brought home by inner city blacks I worked with at that time. I mean blacks who live in shit and have real race problems. Not this dickhead who lived a gilt life by comparison.

They were pissed off that the cop was getting beat up on, and the prof was the victim. They maintained they weren't children who have to cry "whitey" when things don't go their way.

I remember one young man put it quite well "This fucker (the prof) should have gotten the shit beat out of him. He's using stupid white people. He's not one of us because we don't do stupid shit and say that you are holding us down. We don't need a white man to come to our defense."

Well it's not quite precise, because he used the more colorful words more often.

Nevertheless, there are people who are proud and black, but because of what they do, not because they are black. Now that I can respect.

And the whiny bitches that complain just because they are black are no better than the whiny bitches in this thread who are complaining because they happen to be white and feel oppressed

 

[Red Dawn]

Pointing out hypocracy does not put you on the same level as the hypocrites.


I think "hate crimes" are bullshit and should be ruled unconstitutional. But if you are going to have them, they have to be applied equally.

If a Black person attacked a white person based soley on that person race then yes he should be charged with a hate crime.Hitting a person of another race isn't a hate crime if it isn't because of that persons race. He hit her because she had the audacity to disagree with him, if she had agreed with him he wouldn't have hit her.

 

[NesuD]

How is what I said racist? My post was about double standards, not racism.

Personally I don't know if this was a hate crime. I doubt he punched her because she was white...he probably punched her because he disagreed with her about a topic (which happened to be racism.) See my first post in the thread.

You calling my a racist is more of a problem than my actual predilection for any race. You perceive me as a racist now, and so treat me differently, even though I am not racist.

you misunderstand me. I did not say you ere a racist. You posted
"A white man punches a black woman over racism = hate crime.
A black man punches a white woman over racism = not a good choice."

My response "Racism is alive and well and comes in a variety of colors" was my resonse to those two lines you posted. My post simply expands on the double standard you illustrated. I have no idea why you took the "variety of colors" to mean you.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Only if it can be proven that he assaulted her because she was white, not because she disagreed with him. I'm thinking this guy would hit his own mother if he had enough drinks in him and she had the audacity to disagree with him, being a Columbia Professor and all..in other words, a fucking asshole

That's fair enough, but that standard needs to be applied across the board. That's not always the case, and that's my main problem.

But read an excerpt from this more complete report:

Davis works as a production manager in the school’s theater department and, like McIntyre is a regular at Toast, a popular university bar. Mac, as the professor is known, first shoved Davis and then, as others tried to intervene, he slugged her.


When another patron yelled, “You don’t hit a woman,” McIntyre allegedly threw a punch at him and missed.

Another man said that McIntyre hit him as well and had become angry because he was accusing everyone of not doing enough about “white privilege.”

The punch left Davis with a black eye. McIntyre stated after his arraignment that “it was a very unfortunate event.”

I'm pretty sure he'd punch Jesus in the head, but if this wasn't motivated by race, then he's made it difficult to read any other way.

 

[OCGuy]

If a Black person attacked a white person based soley on that person race then yes he should be charged with a hate crime.Hitting a person of another race isn't a hate crime if it isn't because of that persons race. He hit her because she had the audacity to disagree with him, if she had agreed with him he wouldn't have hit her.

It is fairly clear it was. Unless you think he would discuss "white privelage" with a black person and then punch them.

 

[Red Dawn]

That's fair enough, but that standard needs to be applied across the board. That's not always the case, and that's my main problem.

But read an excerpt from this more complete report:



I'm pretty sure he'd punch Jesus in the head, but if this wasn't motivated by race, then he's made it difficult to read any other way.

Well if it had been her that hit him I still wouldn't have said it was a hate crime nor was it racially motivated, it was just a disagreement between acquaintances that turned violent with the help of alcohol.

 

[Moonbeam]

"Another man said that McIntyre hit him as well and had become angry because he was accusing everyone of not doing enough about “white privilege.”"

Well I guess this thread proves that white people don't really see much need to do much about white privilege, being too busy worrying about how Blacks might get away with being racists themselves.

 

[NesuD]

Look, it looks like there is a lot more to this story. But clearly he shouldn't have punched her. But please spare me the bullsh!t that whites got it tough with stereotyping. Especially in the south. They do hump their cousins down there, so that is not a stereotype

Oh please! talking about sticking your foot in shit. Do you actually realize what you just did!. So there have been instances of a very few southerners "humping" theirs cousins. You just stereotyped all southerners as doing this which is preposterous and ridiculous just like people who think all black teenage men are drug dealers because they wear baggy pants halfway down their asses. Doesn't that sound ridiculous to you? There is nothing more to this story and you know it. She filed the complaint because was the injured party. This is standard in assault cases when police don't witness the assault.

Classy you are still the same hypocritical bigot that you have always been.

 

[fskimospy]

Pointing out hypocracy does not put you on the same level as the hypocrites.


I think "hate crimes" are bullshit and should be ruled unconstitutional. But if you are going to have them, they have to be applied equally.

But it does show a shocking level of ignorance when people try to act like whites have to face even 1% of the racial bigotry that black people do. It's an attempt to establish false equivalence.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

"Another man said that McIntyre hit him as well and had become angry because he was accusing everyone of not doing enough about “white privilege.”"

Well I guess this thread proves that white people don't really see much need to do much about white privilege, being too busy worrying about how Blacks might get away with being racists themselves.

Well there are whites who think blacks aren't up to the task of being quite human. They need a little help from the Lighter Race.

Sorry M, on this one we're going to not see eye to eye. I respect the rights of a person. I don't look to see what color they are to know if I should look down and pat their little head.

 

[OCGuy]

But it does show a shocking level of ignorance when people try to act like whites have to face even 1% of the racial bigotry that black people do. It's an attempt to establish false equivalence.

What does any of that have to do with no having double standards when it comes to the law?

The crimes are equivalent. What people "face" outside of them has nothing to do with it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

But it does show a shocking level of ignorance when people try to act like whites have to face even 1% of the racial bigotry that black people do. It's an attempt to establish false equivalence.

I don't know what motivates a person to post but I see an act of violence against a woman because she didn't bend to the will of a man who was outraged because she wouldn't accept his views on race. You think whites don't know about discrimination. Just how many men do you think know what it's like to be beaten by the opposite sex? just how many men can claim to know just how a woman who's physically abused feels?

Yeah I forgot white people don't know what it's like to be beaten. That bitch needed to learn her place.

 

[LunarRay]

Well there are whites who think blacks aren't up to the task of being quite human. They need a little help from the Lighter Race.

Sorry M, on this one we're going to not see eye to eye. I respect the rights of a person. I don't look to see what color they are to know if I should look down and pat their little head.

Everytime one of these race issue comes up I'm sent back to My Ireland and what the Catholic lived with for quite some time. Today, there is less difference tween the Prot and the Papist... but there is some up there in the North part of My Ireland...
I can't imagine any Catholic in Ireland expecting to be forgiven for an action against a Prot today... I'd expect all people live under the same umbrella of Law.
I can't, therefore, agree with MB or anyone who'd give a pass for a crime committed today because of history. We have evolved to where we are... and to the beneficiary of that evolution comes the reasonable expectation of abiding by law.

 

[werepossum]

"Another man said that McIntyre hit him as well and had become angry because he was accusing everyone of not doing enough about “white privilege.”"

Well I guess this thread proves that white people don't really see much need to do much about white privilege, being too busy worrying about how Blacks might get away with being racists themselves.

I have to admit that I see no reason to do anything more about "white privilege". When I was about twenty I applied for a damn good training program with TVA. Well, I tried. I couldn't get an application, only recognized minorities could. There actually was black privilege - and brown and yellow and red privilege - enforced by government. I didn't get upset and punch the lady that refused to give me an application, I didn't find a black guy to get me one by trickery, I just found another line of work. But having experienced government discrimination I'm not exactly clamoring for more of it.

I've experienced it both ways. Two different jobs I've overheard bosses say "You didn't hire that ni***r did you?" So I know I would not have been able to get either of those jobs had I been black. You could call that white privilege - although being white didn't get me either job, it just kept me from being disqualified. And in one of those jobs I tried to get a black guy moved from the stockroom to the engineering department - good, smart kid, taking engineering classes, took drafting in high school, already knew a big part of our business, would have been great - and got nothing but bullshit excuses that only made sense after I overheard that conversation. Had he been white I think they would have been glad to get him. So don't get me wrong, I know black people have it harder a lot of the time even if white people sometimes have it harder due to affirmative action programs. But punching a white woman because she's not doing enough about "white privilege" is a dick move and no excuse. That professor sounds like a total racist ass hat.

 

[QueBert]

But it does show a shocking level of ignorance when people try to act like whites have to face even 1% of the racial bigotry that black people do. It's an attempt to establish false equivalence.

There is zero equivalency, my GF isn't even black, but she looks it (Spanish + Native American) and at the court she works at she's called the N word at least twice a day by upset white people who don't want to pay their tickets. On a good day she might not hear it, on a bad day she'll probably hear it a dozen times. I've been called a cracker plenty of times but there's no real emotions behind that word.

OCGuy lives in a city full of rich ass white people who are closest racists. And I'm sure a lot of them would somehow try to say they deal with bigotry on a daily basis. Makes me laugh actually

 

[Patranus]

There is zero equivalency, my GF isn't even black, but she looks it (Spanish + Native American) and at the court she works at she's called the N word at least twice a day by upset white people who don't want to pay their tickets. On a good day she might not hear it, on a bad day she'll probably hear it a dozen times. I've been called a cracker plenty of times but there's no real emotions behind that word.

Huh, I know 2 year-olds who know the old saying "sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me".

What exactly is your point?

 

[fskimospy]

I don't know what motivates a person to post but I see an act of violence against a woman because she didn't bend to the will of a man who was outraged because she wouldn't accept his views on race. You think whites don't know about discrimination. Just how many men do you think know what it's like to be beaten by the opposite sex? just how many men can claim to know just how a woman who's physically abused feels?

Yeah I forgot white people don't know what it's like to be beaten. That bitch needed to learn her place.

I never stated that white people are never the target of racism, and I would certainly never say that men are never the target of violence from the other gender. What I AM going to tell you is that the vast majority of the time there is domestic violence it is upon women, and the vast majority of the time there is racial discrimination it is against black people.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I'm just tired of the conservative victim mentality.

 

[OCGuy]

There is zero equivalency, my GF isn't even black, but she looks it (Spanish + Native American) and at the court she works at she's called the N word at least twice a day by upset white people who don't want to pay their tickets. On a good day she might not hear it, on a bad day she'll probably hear it a dozen times. I've been called a cracker plenty of times but there's no real emotions behind that word.

OCGuy lives in a city full of rich ass white people who are closest racists. And I'm sure a lot of them would somehow try to say they deal with bigotry on a daily basis. Makes me laugh actually

Ah yes, class envy. That will get you far in life.


And I call massive shens on your SO getting called the "N" word twice a day.

 

[Adrenaline]

In Alabama in 2000, 40% of the state voted to keep interracial marriage illegal. In 1998 South Carolina voted and only 62% voted to lift the ban. And those percentages represent millions of white folks. So racism is not gone by any means. Not excusing this fella, but I understand.

Why are people that have a belief that people of different races should not get married be perceived as nothing other than racism? Sure, some of the nay voters were racist but not all of them.

So, people that are Pentacostal that view you should only marry a Pentacostal are discriminating against every other religion then????

I am just wondering.

Edited for some clarification.

 

[QueBert]

Ah yes, class envy. That will get you far in life.


And I call massive shens on your SO getting called the "N" word twice a day.

She works at a court house at the counter helping criminals take care of their cases. Also it's in a highly PWT area. You highly doubt? LOL. Have you ever been around PWT criminals? you should probably re-think the fact you feel I made this up. Hell she has had her life threatened by pissed off defendants, the N word compared to that isn't even that serious.

 

[sandorski]

Why are people that have a belief that people of different races should not get married be perceived as nothing other than racism? Sure, some of the nay voters were racist but not all of them.

So, people that are Pentacostal that view you should only marry a Pentacostal are discriminating against every other religion then????

I am just wondering.

Edited for some clarification.

Yes, why the need to even ask? Are they Assholes for thinking that? Maybe.

Difference between Race and Religion is that Race is not a Choice. Religion is. If a Pentecostal wants to Marry a Baptist, they can do so, but may have to switch Churches.

Race X wants to Marry Race Y? Can't Choose(Michael Jackson exempted).

 

[werepossum]

Yes, why the need to even ask? Are they Assholes for thinking that? Maybe.

Difference between Race and Religion is that Race is not a Choice. Religion is. If a Pentecostal wants to Marry a Baptist, they can do so, but may have to switch Churches.

Race X wants to Marry Race Y? Can't Choose(Michael Jackson exempted).

Big difference too between those who wouldn't personally marry another race or religion, and those who wish to make that choice for others. Discrimination in and of itself is a good and necessary thing - most here would discriminate against child molesters when interviewing babysitters, I presume. The bad part of discrimination is when one starts discriminating foolishly or unreasonably.

 

[PricklyPete]

I think the more telling side of this story is something that I've seen happening in this country for years - few people are able to have any type of discourse or argument in a friendly manner. Most people choose sides and stick to them, offering nothing more than personal attacks, yelling and name calling. If you don't fully agree with the other party then you are viewed as an enemy.

You really think this is a "recent occurrence". This basically describes the history of mankind.

 

[Chunkee]

lmao. Boohoo poor little white boys, sitting in their cubicles typing their rage on anandtech.

Did you have a fight with your inflatable girlfriend again? Or is it inflatable boyfriend this week?

 

[tcsenter]

OK, well that would explain why I'm as white as they come but also was ticketed around the same age for tinted windows (in a different state). What do minorities think the police do in predominantly white communities, sit in their cars all day long doing nothing until a minority drives by?

Well this is an interesting development. I got pulled over last night for the first time in 15 years. The reason? My license plate was poorly illuminated. He said the lamp wasn't working but it was just very dim.

I'm betting it was because I'm black. Or because I'm a Muslim. Oh yeah, that's right. I'm not either of those things.

He saw me buying beer in the convenience store and wanted to stick his nose in my window, hoping to make his monthly DUI quota. He just let me go with a warning (because he literally could not find anything to cite me for).