YAY!!! Freedom of speech alive and well in India.....

[Meghan54]

...or not.

India police detain students gathered to watch BBC documentary on Modi

Students were detained by the Delhi police on Wednesday as they gathered to watch a recent BBC documentary about Prime Minister Narendra Modi that India has dismissed as propaganda and blocked its streaming and sharing on social media.

www.reuters.com

I suppose no one should be surprised. Guess this is what American conservatives want to have here in the U.S.

 

[HomerJS]

DeSantis has already implemented that in Florida

 

[Captante]

Just ask our resident Modi-apologists like @Braznor .... this is ALL simply fake news. (just like pollution in the Ganges river)

Modi is really a GREAT imperious leader! 😉 /s

 

[Braznor]

You have a problem with a government tackling disinformation?

 

[BoomerD]

You have a problem with a government tackling disinformation?

Sounds just like a Trumpster defending their chosen one..."FAKE NEWS!"

FWIW, I don't know how accurate the BBC documentary is...or isn't, but people SHOULD be allowed to make up their own minds.

 

[Braznor]

Sounds just like a Trumpster defending their chosen one..."FAKE NEWS!"

FWIW, I don't know how accurate the BBC documentary is...or isn't, but people SHOULD be allowed to make up their own minds.

https://www.news18.com/news/opinion...umentary-lies-lies-and-more-lies-6894121.html

The documentary is nothing but a mishmash of lies, halftruths and accusations that have been proven false in the Indian Supreme Court already. Modi was cleared of these allegations in the highest court of law in India. And this cleanchit to Modi DID NOT happen under the BJP government, but when his worst enemies, the Congress party of India, were in power. If Modi was guilty, he would have been found guilty right back in 2010 when India was ruled by the members of the current Indian opposition. But, he was not, he was proved innocent despite the combined efforts of his opponents.

In short, the BBC documentary is disinformation aimed at influencing elections and fermenting trouble in India. You can still call me whatever you want to call me, but this kind of disinformation needs to be responded against.

 

[Vic]

An Analysis of the BBC documentary

The documentary is nothing but a mishmash of lies, halftruths and accusations that have been proven false in the Indian Supreme Court already. Modi was cleared of these allegations in the highest court of law in India. And this cleanchit to Modi DID NOT happen under the BJP government, but when his worst enemies, the Congress party of India, were in power. If Modi was guilty, he would have been found guilty right back in 2010 when India was ruled by the members of the current Indian opposition. But, he was not, he was proved innocent despite the combined efforts of his opponents.

In short, the BBC documentary is disinformation aimed at influencing elections and fermenting trouble in India. You can still call me whatever you want to call me, but this kind of disinformation needs to be responded against.

The beauty of freedom of the press is that it doesn't give a shit about any of that.

 

[brycejones]

You have a problem with a government tackling disinformation?

You clearly have no idea what a free press is or what freedom of speech means.

 

[Braznor]

The beauty of freedom of the press is that it doesn't give a shit about any of that.

You clearly have no idea what a free press is or what freedom of speech means.

Eh, the students were detained because they were creating trouble in the streets, not because they screened the documentary. It was the University personnel who approached the police to detain the students causing trouble and not Modi.

Confirming the detention, DCP (Southeast) Esha Pandey said: “A screening for a BBC documentary was to be organised by a group of Jamia students inside the university today, which was not allowed by the administration of the University. The University administration informed the police that some students were creating ruckus on the streets and therefore a total of 13 students were detained around 4 pm to ensure peace in the area.”

https://indianexpress.com/article/c...screen-modi-documentary-jamia-campus-8404652/

 

[Braznor]

There are very valid reasons for the Indian government to denounce the hitjob that this documentary is. Will the BBC take responsibility, if any terrorist uses this documentary as justification for their terror attacks in my country?

India is in a very dangerous corner of the world. We have Pakistan, the epicenter of world terrorism on one side and their ally China on the other. We also have internal enemies like Maoists and Islamist Terrorism. So this issue has to be approached by the Indian government under multiple facets of security, safety COMPLETELY APART from the usual questions of freedom of speech. There is no shortage of malcontents in India who would use this documentary as an excuse to sow discord, death and destructions.

Here in P&N, you all can afford the blinkered view of a horse reducing the question to that of free speech and attack us over it. But thats all it will remain, a narrow biased view expressed by privileged Westerners with no idea of the realities on the ground.

 

[Meghan54]

So what parts of the BBC documentary are false? Please be specific and provide links. Thank you.

Of course, you’ll only rage against this documentary without one shred of proof of how it’s a “hit job,” right Modi-lite? Cry about how it’s a lie but never show why…with facts. Because the BBC documentary sure does lend itself to being fact checked…like so far, no one stamping their little feet about how it’s a “hit job” has yet to show why.

You’re showing the typical behavior when hit with facts that one cannot counter with facts, just start a smear campaign, right Modi-lite?

 

[Braznor]

Hey Bidelette,

There are plenty of articles on why the documentary is a hitjob in Indian sites. All you need is Google and a brain to access them all from the comfort of your home. Also all the slander in the documentary has already been proved false in the HIGHEST COURT OF LAW relevant to India and I wouldn't waste my time spoonfeeding you especially considering your motives here are as hollow as a pipe.

 

[eelw]

Off topic but falls on similar playbooks. There’s that recent Project Veritas undercover video where they are supposedly talking to a Pfizer research supervisor about gain of function for Covid while at a bar that’s being removed left and right on social media. The antivaxxers how dare you censor this!!!

 

[WelshBloke]

Braznor --- the BJP are totally not fascists
Also Braznor --- the BJP are taking away your freedom of speech for your security

 

[brycejones]

Eh, the students were detained because they were creating trouble in the streets, not because they screened the documentary. It was the University personnel who approached the police to detain the students causing trouble and not Modi.

So officials take steps to prevent students from exercising their rights, those same students are attacked previously and authorities do nothing about that and then when the students continue to stand up for their rights you deem them “causing trouble” and have them arrested.

That is the authoritarian 101 play book.

 

[brycejones]

Braznor --- the BJP are totally not fascists
Also Braznor --- the BJP are taking away your freedom of speech for your security

We have a bingo!

 

[Braznor]

Braznor --- the BJP are totally not fascists
Also Braznor --- the BJP are taking away your freedom of speech for your security

Plenty of stuff has been banned in India before, just wiki banned books in India. Salman Rushdie's book Satanic Verses was banned too. Anything defaming any religion or stoking tensions in society is considered an element causing danger to the public at large and maybe subject to a ban in India. This has applied even before during the Congress dispensation. Now you might be carefree about security and have nice neighboring countries. But we here in India don't have any such sort of luxury. Not in this neighborhood we don't.

 

[Braznor]

So officials take steps to prevent students from exercising their rights, those same students are attacked previously and authorities do nothing about that and then when the students continue to stand up for their rights you deem them “causing trouble” and have them arrested.

That is the authoritarian 101 play book.

So knowingly let disinformation spread?

Also these students were previously attacked by whom?

 

[WelshBloke]

Plenty of stuff has been banned in India before, just wiki banned books in India. Salman Rushdie's book Satanic Verses was banned too. Anything defaming any religion or stoking tensions in society is considered an element causing danger to the public at large and maybe subject to a ban in India. This has applied even before during the Congress dispensation. Now you might be carefree about security and have nice neighboring countries. But we here in India don't have any such sort of luxury. Not in this neighborhood we don't.

Braznor --- the BJP are totally not fascists
Also Braznor --- the BJP are taking away your freedom of speech for your security

Again Braznor --- and this is why we are fascists

 

[brycejones]

So knowingly let disinformation spread?

Also these students were previously attacked by whom?

Yep, that is freedom of speech. Chances are isn’t disinformation though because the emotional opinion piece you linked here amounted to “because reasons” and didn’t actually refute a single point in the BBC piece.


Maybe you should take the time to read the article the OP linked.

 

[Braznor]

Yep, that is freedom of speech. Chances are isn’t disinformation though because the emotional opinion piece you linked here amounted to “because reasons” and didn’t actually refute a single point in the BBC piece.


Maybe you should take the time to read the article the OP linked.

Maybe you should google? If you are so inquisitive about the truth about the Gujarat riots, then you should in all fairness take it upon yourself why the documentary is a hit piece and not expect me to explain it for you.

Now I know I shouldn't be spoonfeeding you, but here is a link on why this documentary is rubbish.

Using archival footages of BBC’s coverage of the riots in Gujarat and clippings from its interview with then Chief Minister Narendra Modi, the documentary is largely a regurgitation of flawed arguments and failed activism that have litigated the riots and their aftermath for two decades before being tossed out by the Supreme Court of India. Relying largely on known detractors of PM Modi, the documentary brings little that is new to the discourse beyond its attempt to reopen old wounds and provoke anger and hate.

Five specific problems arise from the material presented in the documentary that merit elucidation. The first has to do with its selective chronicling of events. The documentary, while going from the Godhra incident in February 2002 to the Gujarat elections in December 2002 in its attempt to paint a picture of polarisation, makes neither a mention of the dastardly terrorist attack on Akshardham in September that year nor does it cover the exemplary handling of the aftermath of the attack. The second has to do with its shallow accounting of facts related to the violence. While going to graphic lengths to exaggerate certain incidents of violence, the documentary makes no attempt at presenting the complete factual picture of the police handling of the 2002 riots. The BBC, it seems, was oblivious to these facts — 4,247 cases filed, 26,974 arrests made, 15,369 shells of tear gas lobbed for mob control, 5,450 rounds of firing by police in the first 72 hours which accounted for the death of 101 rioters. The third problem with the documentary has to do with its reliance overly on double hearsay with no new witnesses or new evidence to present. In fact, the entire two-decades old campaign to somehow personally implicate Narendra Modi in the 2002 riots has all along relied on false claims by dubious individuals which have been discredited by the courts and on double hearsay from unnamed sources which amounts to nothing more than rumour-mongering and slanderous gossip. The fourth problem with the documentary has to do with the cavalier manner in which individuals quoted in the documentary have labelled the SIT’s findings as superficial, thus casting aspersions on the institutional integrity of the Supreme Court of India. The fifth and most serious problem with the documentary has to do with the so-called secret diplomatic enquiry by the British Foreign Office into the 2002 riots which once again was riddled with double hearsay and no new facts.

https://indianexpress.com/article/o...ons-integrity-of-indias-institutions-8392589/

In short, the documentary brings nothing new to the facts already known by the Indian people.

 

[brycejones]

Maybe you should google? If you are so inquisitive about the truth about the Gujarat riots, then you should in all fairness take it upon yourself why the documentary is a hit piece and not expect me to explain it for you.

Now I know I shouldn't be spoonfeeding you, but here is a link on why this documentary is rubbish.





In short, the documentary brings nothing new to the facts already known by the Indian people.

So another opinion piece. LOL

 

[Braznor]

Braznor --- the BJP are totally not fascists
Also Braznor --- the BJP are taking away your freedom of speech for your security

Again Braznor --- and this is why we are fascists

Are you stupid or didn't you read that the bans happened even when there was no BJP government in India?

 

[brycejones]

Are you stupid or didn't you read that the bans happened even when there was no BJP government in India?

Are you stupid or do you not realize those bans are horseshit to begin with?

 

[Braznor]

So another opinion piece. LOL

Ha, the entire hitpiece documentary is based on hearsay, but you take it as if it is the gospel truth.