BeauJangles
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jonks
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Gravity = theory & fact
You = Fail
Keep it up though.
In this corner, 99.9999 of scientists presenting the theory of evolution.
In the opposite corner, a collection of religious crackpots postulating from whole cloth that man poofed into existence as is sometime in the last 10,000 years.
These "competing" theories are of equal merit only if you are unfamiliar with the definition of equal and merit.
nerp
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If you want creationism taught in schools it only follows that you need to teach reincarnation, shamansim, and greek mythology in science class too. Can't be biased, according to your wisdom. I mean, what's to say that the bibilical story is the only one that should be taught in schools about how the universe began? Wouldn't it be just as bad as NOT teaching creationism to just teach ONE singular concept of it?
I really don't see how a lesson on the fossil record needs a caveat. "All evidence points to this but SOME people believe that God created the world in seven days, so ahem, students, keep this in mind when you're out in the desert looking for bones becaus eumm uhhh the christians on the school committee forced me to say this?"
If we follow the logic we should teach students about Zen Buddism in the science classroom too. If not, you're being close minded. Right?
I really don't see how a lesson on the fossil record needs a caveat. "All evidence points to this but SOME people believe that God created the world in seven days, so ahem, students, keep this in mind when you're out in the desert looking for bones becaus eumm uhhh the christians on the school committee forced me to say this?"
If we follow the logic we should teach students about Zen Buddism in the science classroom too. If not, you're being close minded. Right?
This is utterly false, evolution is falsifiable in many ways. All you need to do is show evidence of the famous rabbit in the precambrian or something similar. Show that there is no way for organisms to transmit data between generations, that would blow evolution out of the water too. The accuracy of the theory of evolution is in no way dependant on other theories, it is fully open to being disproven at any time. I welcome you to try.
The funny thing is that what you are posting is as strong a case for a renewed emphasis on teaching evolution as any I've seen.
I tried my best to keep up. I'm at work and I have other things to do. I'm a creationist and I believe God created everything. I do not have strong feelings that both should be taught in science class and I really don't care that much about it. It's been awhile since I've engaged in a debate like this and I'm very rusty.
9 vs. 1... I think I held up okay.
9 vs. 1... I think I held up okay.
BeauJangles
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Nope. Believing in God is great, in fact I think a little faith can't hurt anybody, but willfully twisting and deny the facts the way you just did is completely shameful.
Mean MrMustard
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Relax, this is what the Democratic Congress is for. Do you think if she wanted to implement this that Congress would let her?
Thinking that you were going to change my mind in this debate makes you more of an idiot than you think I am.
BeauJangles
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jonks
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To be fair, what Palin thinks and what she will push for are two different things. Her not being opposed to local schools teaching fairy tales is pretty objectionable to me, especially as she's a "science teacher's daughter", but the facts show she didn't do anything as mayor or governor to push that agenda in schools, so this is more of a wedge issue designed to inflame the left.
Combined with her views on global warming it illustrates her as a scientifically ignorant, and even hostile, typical conservative, but I wouldn't worry about these views making it into public schools because of her. Still, it would be really nice to have people in the executive office who respected science and supported increased funding to valuable research and studies.
Combined with her views on global warming it illustrates her as a scientifically ignorant, and even hostile, typical conservative, but I wouldn't worry about these views making it into public schools because of her. Still, it would be really nice to have people in the executive office who respected science and supported increased funding to valuable research and studies.
Belief in god != turning a blind eye to science
Belief in god doesn't mean you can't believe in evolution or the big bang. I really don't know why so many religious people take such offense to these things. After all you could just say, "Ah, so that's how God did it" instead of, "That's BS God did it."
Belief in god doesn't mean you can't believe in evolution or the big bang. I really don't know why so many religious people take such offense to these things. After all you could just say, "Ah, so that's how God did it" instead of, "That's BS God did it."
Cerpin Taxt
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That doesn't mean you have to believe that evolution is false. Evolution can be viewed as how God created everything -- millions of Christians and other theistic evolutionists maintain this belief just fine.
The problem is that you're uncritically swallowing the total lies spoonfed to you by the religious conservatives and regurgitating them on the forum. Think for yourself, for crissakes.
What else do you think they're lying to you about?
BeauJangles
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:thumbsup: I only got involved in this thread because of the creationism stupidity being tossed around.
I believe that's 6 now.
I could do that.... but I am not going to. When the Bible said that God created man in his own image, created the birds, and trees, etc - that is what I believe. I do not believe the "lies spoonfed to [me]", I believe the Bible.
I do believe that there is micro-evolution within a species, but I do not believe any other theory.
Most people I have met who are both political and a creationist rarely think like that...unfortunately. Many of them believe that somehow thinking that way is a sign of lack of faith or something.
I really don't mind the idea of religion or creationism. I just wish the people who believed in it so much were more flexible.
If you are willing to accept the fact that you are deliberately choosing not to believe science due to a book, that's your choice. Many of the arguments you are attempting to use against evolution though are simply false. If you want to debate this issue, you should at least use information that is factual.
It doesn't say HOW he created man in his own image. He could have chosen to use evolution and a lot of time.
Did Palin say anything about science class? Why not have creationism in some kind of Philosophy/religion class that students can choose to take but not mandatory. And keep evolution and other scientifically backed theory in the science class until anything scientific proof those theories aren't correct.
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