YATT - Yet, another tipping thread.

[sactoking]

They are already on the model of federal minimum wage. If, after tips, waitstaff does not make that much per hour, the establishment is required by law to compensate them.

Stop pretending like they have to actually live at $3 an hour. It isn't true, and if it is, it is illegal.

If the service charge is dedicated to the server, I don't see any problem.

Actually, I do see a problem: servers who are awful and don't get much in tips will no longer get to bitch about every patron being an asshole who doesn't tip; rather they get to bitch about nobody visiting said establishment.

California labor law does not allow tips to offset minimum wage: http://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_minimumwage.htm

 

[smackababy]

California labor law does not allow tips to offset minimum wage: http://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/faq_minimumwage.htm

So, California servers get paid tips in addition to minimum wage then. In other words, they can stfu with their complaints that they live on tips.

 

[Ns1]

not really seeing a problem here and I would vastly prefer a straight up service charge w/ no tip vs. the current tipping system.

 

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

You're not paying a tip, it's a service charge. It's like paying for bottle service at a club or something.

 

[JM Aggie08]

We had one of these yesterday, fuck.

 

[Ns1]

No seriously, what's the big deal? They've effectively raised the prices on everything by a flat 20% to cover expenses and no longer accept tips.

Everything is upfront, no more post-meal awkwardness as you stare at the tip line.

 

[DCal430]

Are they updating their model of pay as well? IE, non-tip wage?

If so, I'd consider this, but nowhere near 20%.

I wonder what the take-home of tips is as a % of the bills for the customers they served? I can pretty much guarantee it isn't 20% considering 20% is pretty much the high end of the tip scale, and some people don't tip at all... I'd guess the average is less than 15%.

That means you could make the service charge 15%, pay the servers more than they are getting today with tips AND the business could still come out slightly ahead.

California does NOT permit tip wages.

 

[Childs]

Uh, I'm already paying $30.00 at most places for a 6 oz filet (my wife is, I eat the ribeye)

Thats already overpriced and retarded. I'll just stay at home and cook.

6 oz is like 3-4 bites.

lol I went to the steakhouse at the new 49ers stadium, and everyone got the 18oz ribeye, and one guy got the 6oz filet. Price was about the same $50-60, but man...6oz is really small. He ended up eating from his daughters plate.

As far as tipping, I would prefer a straight service charge. I'm usually at 20%, but usually go over as I like to round up in 5 or 10 increments. Personally I'd rather not think about it. Service would have to be really bad for me to actually think about a minimum.

 

[DCal430]

It is more like 21.5% because you have to pay sales tax on the 20%.

 

[Phoenix86]

15%.. not 20%. Yes, it matters. Stop arbitrarily increasing the percentage. In a few years, it will be 30% with this tip creep.

Cost of living adjustments!

:whiste:

 

[DCal430]

not really seeing a problem here and I would vastly prefer a straight up service charge w/ no tip vs. the current tipping system.

No because service charge means less goes to the workers.

 

[Ns1]

No because service charge means less goes to the workers.

What they are paid is none of my business and I don't give a shit.

 

[KMFJD]

Runs....

 

[DCal430]

What they are paid is none of my business and I don't give a shit.

Then don't leave a tip.

 

[Ns1]

Then don't leave a tip.

It's socially required to unless I want them to spit in my food next time. Thus, I would prefer a service charge.

 

[DCal430]

That tells me you don't tip to make their lives better or out of gratitude. You tip out of fear of having your food messed with. How sad.

 

[Ns1]

That tells me you don't tip to make their lives better or out of gratitude. You tip out of fear of having your food messed with. How sad.

absolutely, although I do drop fat tips to people that go above and beyond (or people I need to bribe). nobody gives me extra money to make my life better or out of gratitude.

 

[smackababy]

That tells me you don't tip to make their lives better or out of gratitude. You tip out of fear of having your food messed with. How sad.

So, you tip a server to make their lives better? Do you tip your garbage man? How about the poor guy working at McDonalds? Do you tip your mechanic?

What makes servers special? Oh, that's right, the idea they get paid less than minimum wage is what makes it "acceptable" to tip them, despite that not being the case. You will hear plenty of them crying about making $3.25 an hour and needing tips to survive. They aren't paid that.

 

[Ns1]

So, you tip a server to make their lives better? Do you tip your garbage man? How about the poor guy working at McDonalds? Do you tip your mechanic?

all of this.

 

[Phoenix86]

California does NOT permit tip wages.

Holy shit are people eating lead paint today?

OLD
Price = X
Tip = (.15*X) to (.2*X)
Total = X+(.15*X) to (.2*X)
Employee pay = hourly+(.15*X) to (.2*X)

NEW
Total = X+(.2*X)=Y This is an increase in price.
Employee pay = hourly+(.2*X(-benefits and payroll expenses))

My questions: Does employee pay change? The calculation is different. Why is there an increase in total price? Why are benefits and payroll expenses coming out of the portion that was associated with tips? Previously this was 100% earnings.

 

[Phoenix86]

What they are paid is none of my business and I don't give a shit.

If the owner is asking you to pay more, you should care why.

edit: rather, if the owner is asking you to pay more, under the guise that they are correcting a stupid employee pay system, but sticking their finger in the pie at the same time, you might care.

 

[Ns1]

If the owner is asking you to pay more, you should care why.

edit: rather, if the owner is asking you to pay more, under the guise that they are correcting a stupid employee pay system, but sticking their finger in the pie at the same time, you might care.

nah I don't. Stuff increases in price, if I can't (or won't) pay for it then I'll stop buying. Bury it all under a service charge or increase the price of stuff accross the board, IDGAF, but don't do stupid shit like put a "3% healthcare surcharge" on the receipt AND THEN a tip line, cuz THAT pisses me off.

 

[DCal430]

Holy shit are people eating lead paint today?

OLD
Price = X
Tip = (.15*X) to (.2*X)
Total = X+(.15*X) to (.2*X)
Employee pay = hourly+(.15*X) to (.2*X)

NEW
Total = X+(.2*X)=Y This is an increase in price.
Employee pay = hourly+(.2*X(-benefits and payroll expenses))

My questions: Does employee pay change? The calculation is different. Why is there an increase in total price? Why are benefits and payroll expenses coming out of the portion that was associated with tips? Previously this was 100% earnings.

I already said this causes a price increase. It is worst than you think as you must now pay sales tax on top of the 20%.

 

[Malak]

What they are paid is none of my business and I don't give a shit.

Effectively, in 15 words, you managed to state with finality that you are both reckless with your money yet not generous at all. You have failed at life sir.

 

[Ns1]

Effectively, in 15 words, you managed to state with finality that you are both reckless with your money yet not generous at all. You have failed at life sir.

And I give a shit about your opinion why?