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YATT: some restaurants suggestiing 30% tips

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slag said:
You're screwing the curve for the rest of us. Industry standard is 15%. Stop with the 20% bullshit and go back to industry standard. It's people like you who do an extra 5%, then others do 5% more, before you know it, tipping will be 50% + or - depending on service.
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15%?

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oh, you live in Kansas; where McMansion = $75k

k.
 
restaurants should pay their employees a reasonable wage and then have like 5 questionaire with 1-5 rating (so it doesn't take too long). They should then dismiss the top 10% and the lowest 10% of the ratings. That would give them a good idea of how good/bad the waiter is doing.
 
It is the waitress and waiters will expect a tip no mater what their minimum wage was. Here they make around $9 an hour BEFORE tips and they make an additional 10 to 20 an hour from tips. Most make 30 to 50,000 a year here and it is real good money.
 
slag said:
It's their choice they have a low paying shitty job. There are tons of manual labor stupid jobs out there such as loading trucks at distribution centers, working for UPS, etc. You don't owe them anything more than the 15%.
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I get my tipping habits from my gf, whose mom used to wait tables. So thats where the minimum came from. Once you hit a couple bucks tip its straight 15%
 
If they really wanted big money, have the looks, and don't mind getting hit on every minute at work, then bottle service will be one of the best options in terms of getting high tips.
 
I think some folks are just drama junkies. None of the restaurants I know are "suggesting 30% tips." Although I hear the Mayan's are "suggesting the end of time" on or, about, 21 December 2012.
 
My hang out for MMA etc etc. I give a dollar for my free coke refills and usually 5 bucks on my meals or more. I am close to 50%, the girls there take care of us regulars, so I tip them well. I also bring them things like Cinnabons, cookies etc etc.
 
SandEagle said:
The Fair Labor Standards Act "forbids businesses to pool and share tips among their entire staff"

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Tipping under the Fair Labor Act is regulated to ensure people are receiving minimum wage and their tips are going to supervisors/owners.

There is no need to regulate the tip percentage. Tips are NOT required. You don't ever have to give a tip. Which also means you don't have to give the suggested tip. There is nothing the waiter can do to you. If a waiter demanded a tip let alone 30%, they would not be given a tip and their manager would be notified. Its improper for a waiter to be demanding a tip.
 
torpid said:
They will not always make minimum wage. There is a law that requires the employer to make up wages to minimum wage level if the server does not receive enough tips, but it is very rare for that to happen in practice. Most servers are not aware of the law, and I would guess that many business owners aren't aware of it either. In any case, you are forcing the employee to put him or herself in an awkward situation if they have to demand these wages.
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By law restaurants are required to have posters outlining labor laws and wage laws on their premise, so the majority of servers actually know the law. That is why there are always restaurants being busted by Department of Labor wage investigators. There were some major chains busted recently.
 
Wreckem said:
Tipping under the Fair Labor Act is regulated to ensure people are receiving minimum wage and their tips are going to supervisors/owners.

There is no need to regulate the tip percentage. Tips are NOT required. You don't ever have to give a tip. Which also means you don't have to give the suggested tip. There is nothing the waiter can do to you. If a waiter demanded a tip let alone 30%, they would not be given a tip and their manager would be notified. Its improper for a waiter to be demanding a tip.
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to bad people have been arrested for not leaving tips..
 
waggy said:
to bad people have been arrested for not leaving tips..
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People aren't arrested for not leaving tips. They are arrested(actually temporarily detained) for causing a scene when called on being a cheap bastard. They are then trespassed. No one has been charged with a crime for not leaving a tip. Plenty of people have been trespassed for flipping out and refusing to leave.
 
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Wreckem said:
People aren't arrested for not leaving tips. They are arrested(actually temporarily detained) for causing a scene when called on being a cheap bastard. They are then trespassed. No one has been charged with a crime for not leaving a tip. Plenty of people have been trespassed for flipping out and refusing to leave.
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wrong.
 
waggy said:
wrong.
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Cite. And if you are talking about large group tips. That is entirely different and I was talking about regular tipping. Large group tips you agree to the tip by ordering your food(so long as the tip % for party size is clearly posted).
 
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waggy said:
http://perrybelcher.com/arrested-for-no-tip/

http://blogs.findlaw.com/legally_weird/2009/11/update-case-tipps-over---police-drop-tipping-charges.html
and if that site is nto good enough for you do a search for Leigh Pub in Bethlehem, PA
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See my post above. Group tipping is entirely different than regular tipping. Though it should be handled civilly, as it was in that case after the arrest. That is also the cops fault, they shouldn't have got involved unless there was an altercation. The cops lacked common sense.
 
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Wreckem said:
Cite. And if you are talking about large group tips. That is entirely different and I was talking about regular tipping. Large group tips you agree to the tip by ordering your food(so long as the tip is clearly posted).
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He means when the "tip" is already added to the bill, were they tell you for parties of 8 or more a 15% service fee will be charged. In the eyes of the law this isn't a voluntary tip anymore but now a service charge.
 
Wreckem said:
See my post above. Group tipping is entirely different than regular tipping.
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still a fucking tip something you don't have to pay.


DCal430 said:
He means when the "tip" is already added to the bill, were they tell you for parties of 8 or more a 15% service fee will be charged. In the eyes of the law this isn't a voluntary tip anymore but now a service charge.
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and that's wrong too. the charges was dropped. no matter how its added its a tip.
 
waggy said:
still a fucking tip something you don't have to pay.




and that's wrong too. the charges was dropped. no matter how its added its a tip.
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Again "group tipping/service charges" are agreed upon when ordering so long as said charge is posted clearly(on menus suffice). If you don't like it you should bring it up prior to ordering. And they were dropped because it wasn't criminal issue, it was a civil issue.
 
Wreckem said:
Again "group tipping/service charges" are agreed upon when ordering so long as said charge is posted clearly(on menus suffice). If you don't like it you should bring it up prior to ordering. And they were dropped because it wasn't criminal issue, it was a civil issue.
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its a tip added. you do not HAVE TO PAY. its people who think you have to that allow servers to be shitty because they are still going to get the tip.

fuck that. you don't have to pay it.
 
waggy said:
still a fucking tip something you don't have to pay.




and that's wrong too. the charges was dropped. no matter how its added its a tip.
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California does considered it different, as one is not tax and the other has a 7.75 to 10% sales tax on it.
 
DCal430 said:
California does considered it different, as one is not tax and the other has a 7.75 to 9% tax on it.
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should beinteresting if someone fights it. then again CA is fucked up anway. rest of the US has common sense. a tip is a tip no matter how you tax or word it.
 
Ancalagon44 said:
How about restauranteurs actually pay their staff properly? Then we can tip if service is exceptional, not because we feel obliged to pay salaries.

I only tip because I know that if I dont, the waiter doesnt get paid a cent. If waiters were paid decently, I would tip for exceptional service.
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this
 
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