YATT: $15 minimum wage = the end of tipping right?

[drebo]

I think this is hilarious. On the one hand, you have people saying "nah, a 100% increase in minimum wage won't affect the cost of goods or services" and then at the same time you have them saying "yeah, these people still deserve tips because it still won't be enough".

You guys are all fucking dumb.

 

[CraKaJaX]

I think this is hilarious. On the one hand, you have people saying "nah, a 100% increase in minimum wage won't affect the cost of goods or services" and then at the same time you have them saying "yeah, these people still deserve tips because it still won't be enough".

You guys are all fucking dumb.

 

[Ns1]

Minimum wage is simply not relevant to the discussion of tipping.

Then why do you tip?

If you can't afford to tip, then you can't afford to eat at a full-service restaurant.

I can afford to tip, but nobody has presented a reasonable argument as to why a $15/hr person deserves to be tipped.

 

[crashtech]

We have, it's just that you are not accepting of the reasons.

 

[Ns1]

We have, it's just that you are not accepting of the reasons.

So why aren't we tipping any and everyone who does excellent service? I mean for fucks sake we tip when we receive shitty service. what the fuck is that?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Ns its simple don't tip do what you want. I know its easier to do what everyone else does but if you're that against the idea stop tipping.

 

[Ns1]

Terrine is a $$/$$$ restaurant:

Restaurateur: Stephane Bombet
Restaurant: Terrine
Reaction: "In our restaurants no one is paid minimum wage. We respect our employees and help them grow in our organization by giving them access to better positions so they can make more money. However, our net margins are less than 13%, so the idea that we will be able to digest a 67% wage increase is wrong. The math just doesn't add up.


We want to pay everybody more if we can, but it has to be fair. Giving $5 more an hour to a waiter that already makes $40 to $60 an hour makes no sense. But giving $15 an hour to someone that makes $10 with no tips is something we want to do. Therefore, I support the total compensation idea. As long as tips are included in the calculation, everyone should get a raise. But this is the only way we can make it work. If tips do not count toward the minimum, there will be two consequences.

First, will have to let some employees go, and second, we will either be forced to close down or stop opening restaurants.

Does this make any sense to anyone? We have hired over 400 people over the past few years and paid millions of dollars in sales taxes. The answer is not to push restaurateurs in a corner, but to help us be part of the solution. We want to raise the minimum wage, but in a way that doesn't put at risk the jobs of ten of thousands of people in Los Angeles."

Restaurateur: Bill Chait
Restaurants: Bestia, Barrel & Ashes, B.S. Taqueria, Republique, Petty Cash Taqueria
Reaction: "To say that we are disappointed with the outcome by the City Council is a tremendous understatement. The restaurants and many small businesses in Los Angeles came out in support of an increase in the minimum wage. In fact we fundamentally agreed with the premise about the necessity due to the high cost of living in the Los Angeles area, particularly for our kitchen staff.

Our basic premise was simple. Let's direct the minimum wage increase to those kitchen workers that needed the increase, and for our front of the house service staff which was already earning well in excess of double even the projected minimum wage, we asked for a bifurcated wage that recognized the huge additional income they earn which is not shareable with the kitchen staff under California law.

We have always felt this was an extremely unfair practice and will ultimately lead to the end of the tipping system. What was most distressing is that the city council president, Herb Wesson, in a closed door session, introduced two new additional amendments to the minimum wage ordinance that were incredibly harmful to small business and had never been discussed. He attempted to jam them through at the behest of organized labor which led to a very contentious situation and it continues to be today. This type of politics undermines the whole credibility of the process and the fair representation of all of us in Los Angeles."

 

[Safeway]

So why aren't we tipping any and everyone who does excellent service? I mean for fucks sake we tip when we receive shitty service. what the fuck is that?

I don't. Or I give them a "fuck you" tip of a quarter or a dime and two pennies.

 

[OutHouse]

Waiters already make less than minimum wage, so I'm not expecting this to change anything.

a good friend of mine worked applebees for a second job to pay off a debt. she averaged 16 bucks an hour.

 

[Safeway]

I can afford to tip, but nobody has presented a reasonable argument as to why a $15/hr person deserves to be tipped.

What about giving bonuses to a salaried employee in circumstances in which an employment contract does not mandate bonuses, commissions, etc.? I'm sure that all salaried employees would appreciate receiving a discretionary bonus.

So why should a salaried employee receive a bonus when their salary works out to an hourly rate in excess of $30 or $50/hour? It is an incentive to perform to peak capacity. It is an incentive to be attentive, to help drive customer satisfaction, to encourage repeat customers.

Tips should be (and, to me, are) used to incentivize prompt service. At some restaurants we frequent, the waiters literally argue over us or, if we sit in another waiter's section, they ask to switch tables (sometimes two for one) in order to ensure that they will be serving us. They are hyper attentive and go the extra mile to make the dining experience pleasant - from remembering our drinks and orders, to providing us with complementary o'dourves. I value the experience, and they value the appreciation that I show them.

Granted, you may be able to argue that getting shitty service should result in them getting fired, and that the service should be "good" for all patrons. In such circumstances, the tip is there to ensure that you are prioritized higher than other tables during rush times, that your order finds its way to the line faster than other tables, etc.

I thought I remembered someone saying that Ns1 was broke and always bitches about not having money or nice things. And here you are complaining about spending money on a tip.

 

[OutHouse]

I think this is hilarious. On the one hand, you have people saying "nah, a 100% increase in minimum wage won't affect the cost of goods or services" and then at the same time you have them saying "yeah, these people still deserve tips because it still won't be enough".

You guys are all fucking dumb.

:thumbsup:

 

[Ns1]

I thought I remembered someone saying that Ns1 was broke and always bitches about not having money or nice things. And here you are complaining about spending money on a tip.

Principles bro - I'd rather spend that money on drugs.

Tips should be (and, to me, are) used to incentivize prompt service.

While I see this point, why do we tip afterwards?

I definitely use tips to get something I want, e.g. "here's a 30% tip upfront, please make that drink super stiff". Of course, that's more of a bribe than a tip.

Oh and get this y'all - I used to work for tips

 

[Safeway]

While I see this point, why do we tip afterwards?

I definitely use tips to get something I want, e.g. "here's a 30% tip upfront, please make that drink super stiff". Of course, that's more of a bribe than a tip.

Oh and get this y'all - I used to work for tips

It's regional. In NYC, I tip mid-meal, say, after we order the first round of drinks, as do others. This is an immediate bribe that ensures continued attentiveness. In Texas, this would be considered impolite. They work for their initial tip all night, and you can incentivize future service that meets or exceeds the set standard by tipping them well, frequenting the restaurant, and requesting their service.

 

[Ns1]

It's regional. In NYC, I tip mid-meal, say, after we order the first round of drinks, as do others. This is an immediate bribe that ensures continued attentiveness. In Texas, this would be considered impolite. They work for their initial tip all night, and you can incentivize future service that meets or exceeds the set standard by tipping them well, frequenting the restaurant, and requesting their service.

I like your style.

 

[Imp]

It's regional. In NYC, I tip mid-meal, say, after we order the first round of drinks, as do others. This is an immediate bribe that ensures continued attentiveness. In Texas, this would be considered impolite. They work for their initial tip all night, and you can incentivize future service that meets or exceeds the set standard by tipping them well, frequenting the restaurant, and requesting their service.

By the sounds of it, you frequent higher class, more expensive joints.

The conversation here among the peasants seems to be more about chains like Appleby's and Pickel Barrel. Being a peasant, I usually have minimal interaction with waiting staff at the chains and wouldn't mind sit-down restaurants being converted to cafeteria style places (i.e. pay at the counter, pick-up own order) -- I tip but don't really see what I'm paying extra for even though I always do it because society told me so, even if the waiter disappears for half an hour.

 

[MongGrel]

Should have been done long ago.

Should be no tipping, jobs all over should be adjusted.

The whole concept has been this way for 30 years now, it only has induced the people that own things to rape everyone a long time now.

Jobs all across the board have been stagnant or declining way to long, at the expense of people who were born into money to begin with.

 

[Safeway]

By the sounds of it, you frequent higher class, more expensive joints.

The conversation here among the peasants seems to be more about chains like Appleby's and Pickel Barrel. Being a peasant, I usually have minimal interaction with waiting staff at the chains and wouldn't mind sit-down restaurants being converted to cafeteria style places (i.e. pay at the counter, pick-up own order) -- I tip but don't really see what I'm paying extra for even though I always do it because society told me so, even if the waiter disappears for half an hour.

This applies everywhere. Even Chuy's or at a taco stand.

 

[cabri]

Interesting that while the unions wanted the wage increased bill past; they do not want it applied to them. Money out of their own pockets? :whiste:

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Can not have that - only out of some-one elses.