YATT: $15 minimum wage = the end of tipping right?

[andylawcc]

new business idea, food truck INSIDE of the local rub and tug.

ftfy

 

[highland145]

Tipped employees make the federal minimum wage. What is more effed up is them trying to guilt you into tipping, regardless of service. You know, because they "make $2.13 an hour".

Just pay them minimum and gert rid of the tip. I've never been guilted into tipping but I do. Average service, 15%. Good service, more. Poor service that's the waiter's fault, 0%.

 

[TwiceOver]

In food service yes I do believe it, they compete mainly on cost & location. Same with WalMart they are the low cost leader if prices are raised shoppers won't stay because of that great WalMart experience they have every visit.

Yup and as all the businesses fall in line prices rise across the board. Around here mid level factory jobs are $14/hr and that's a really fair wage for the area. If McD's starts offering $15/hr all the factories have to raise to compete, wal-mart increases wage, target goes up, everyone has to.

While I'm sure there are some people really struggling out there, there are others that just need to suck it up. "I'm starving and can't afford my rent" buying cigarettes every day, iPhone with contract, cable TV. Cry me a river. I worked full time Burger King while going through full time College and living in my own apartment. It was a shit-hole, but it was fine living.

 

[Jaskalas]

Fast food cashiers will lose their jobs.

Most people will. We are replaceable.

 

[stlc8tr]

Yup and as all the businesses fall in line prices rise across the board. Around here mid level factory jobs are $14/hr and that's a really fair wage for the area. If McD's starts offering $15/hr all the factories have to raise to compete, wal-mart increases wage, target goes up, everyone has to.

Yeah, that's the best argument against a federal hike. Different areas have different cost of living so let those cities/municipalities impose a higher regional minimal wage.

 

[smackababy]

Yeah, that's the best argument against a federal hike. Different areas have different cost of living so let those cities/municipalities impose a higher regional minimal wage.

No one is willing to debate that while California might be able to handle a $15 minimum wage, places with a significantly lower cost of living simply can't. If companies in Alabama currently playing the majority of their employees the minimum wage suddenly have to double it, it is going to hurt the local economy big time.

 

[Exterous]

Fast food cashiers will lose their jobs.

Heard a brief bit on NPR about Wendy's testing a machine in several LA locations that will replace the manual labor of flipping burgers

 

[LTC8K6]

Yes, if the minimum wage is 12 or 15 dollars an hour, I would see no need to tip.

Tipping always bothered me anyway as a social status thing.

I'd like to see tipping end, except maybe for a large party.

The other thing about a $15 minimum wage is that the kids who used to get the jobs will get shoved out by older folks with a little more experience, who are willing to work harder.

Or by automation.

 

[smackababy]

Heard a brief bit on NPR about Wendy's testing a machine in several LA locations that will replace the manual labor of flipping burgers

There are a few markets, IIRC, where they have tested out fully automated McDonalds. I'd love to be able to order no pickles on something and actually have them not put fucking pickles on it.

 

[Blitzvogel]

Most people will. We are replaceable.

Someone will have to build, maintain, and fix these point of sale and burger making machines. Jobs are never really lost, they are transferred. The issue is almost always a lack of economic agility in shifting workers to new fields. Workers can't afford new education or they might lack the drive to learn new sets of skills or even try to move up within a company. There are always industry changes and gaps, but the populace never moves fast enough to fill them, which is probably the real reason economic depressions happen. I've seen this kind of shit too much in the retail industry. People complain about wage ceilings at the bottom but are unwilling to move into management when the spots open. The continue to flop and flounder about yelling "I DESERVE MORE MONEY!", when the price of their product (running a cashier) isn't really worth that much in the first place.

Where I used to work, I started working in a used bookstore in 2008 making $8.00 an hour. I live in Texas mind you, where your money goes quite far..... The amount of effort involved with that job was arguably not commensurate with the pay due to having so many duties, but that had less to do with being unfair and more with the used book industry being based on low enough prices to attract enough customers. Buying books directly from customers meant giving up some revenue to guarantee more decent product to guarantee more profit. Of course what we paid for a book and what we sold it for was directly up to market factors. Huge amounts of merchandise ends up never being sold, and in the end is donated for local charity.

To be perfectly fair, this job was full time 40 hours a week, paid 1 hour lunch everyday (so really 35 hours!), free basic medical, profit bonus every quarter and every Christmas (often at least another $2500 a year!). It drove me crazy to think that some of the veteran workers at bottom positions (yet making over $10/hour) still had the gall to complain.

/economics bitches

In the end, it's all about what your product (your time and effort aka WORK) is worth to you and your customer (your employer). Why the hell should pay your demanded price if they feel your product isn't worth it?

 

[feralkid]

Yeah, that's the best argument against a federal hike. Different areas have different cost of living so let those cities/municipalities impose a higher regional minimal wage.

Nah, that's an unsound argument.

This is a Federal MINIMUM wage.


In higher cost of living regions, the Market will adjust the wages UPWARD.

It's called competition.

We're not Communists here.




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[Mai72]

Fast food cashiers will lose their jobs.

So that means more people on SSI and welfare?

I hope you enjoy paying more taxes? You see how that works. You think you're being smart but in the long run we all pay for the people who are out of work. We pay for their rent, food and health benefits.

Eliminating jobs just doesn't affect the people who lost those jobs. It affects us all. No one is immune, unless you're a millionaire who can afford to live away from the masses.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

There are a few markets, IIRC, where they have tested out fully automated McDonalds. I'd love to be able to order no pickles on something and actually have them not put fucking pickles on it.

They'll have something built into the machine logic to F up a certain percentage of orders its part of the experience.

 

[Ns1]

So that means more people on SSI and welfare?

I hope you enjoy paying more taxes? You see how that works. You think you're being smart but in the long run we all pay for the people who are out of work. We pay for their rent, food and health benefits.

Eliminating jobs just doesn't affect the people who lost those jobs. It affects us all. No one is immune, unless you're a millionaire who can afford to live away from the masses.

All of this is true, which is why a $15 minimum wage is ridic.

 

[stlc8tr]

Nah, that's an unsound argument.

This is a Federal MINIMUM wage.


In higher cost of living regions, the Market will adjust the wages UPWARD.

It's called competition.

We're not Communists here.

If you want to rely on the market to set wages, why have a minimal wage at all?

 

[smackababy]

They'll have sometime built into the machine logic to F up a certain percentage of orders its part of the experience.

I swear to god, the first time a robot fucks up my order, I'll burn that mother fucker to the ground!

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I've been alive through a few state & federal minimum wage increases. People always say it will cause inflation or job loss and I know mathematically it should however it never happens that way.

 

[juiio]

Waiters already make less than minimum wage

Not in California, and many other states. http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm

 

[shortylickens]

I wont tip a 15 dollar employee. Thats pay for a professional. No tips.

 

[feralkid]

If you want to rely on the market to set wages, why have a minimal wage at all?

To set the base line, of course.

We are a nation of laws, after all.

 

[crashtech]

I wont tip a 15 dollar employee. Thats pay for a professional. No tips.

It's a shortsighted view, since if everyone is making at least $15, prices and wages will go up, the currency will in effect be proportionately debased, and $15 will eventually become the new $7.25. In such case, service professions that traditionally rely on tips will still likely do so.

It think this is going to be one of those things where the government (of LA, here) is trying hard to fix a perceived wrong, and it's going to have all sorts of interesting consequences, but eventually things won't have changed that much.

 

[Ns1]

It's a shortsighted view, since if everyone is making at least $15, prices and wages will go up, the currency will in effect be proportionately debased, and $15 will eventually become the new $7.25. In such case, service professions that traditionally rely on tips will still likely do so.

They should probably have a backup plan, then.

 

[crashtech]

They should probably have a backup plan, then.

As always, service employees have subtle ways of encouraging tips and passive-aggressive ways of dealing with being stiffed. I would suggest not to try and be a non-tipper AND a regular anywhere, unless you like bodily secretions in your food.

 

[Ns1]

As always, service employees have subtle ways of encouraging tips and passive-aggressive ways of dealing with being stiffed. I would suggest not to try and be a non-tipper AND a regular anywhere, unless you like bodily secretions in your food.

1) Spit tastes delicious.
2) Can't be pissed off about being stiffed no more if you're getting 15 fucking dollars an hour.

 

[crashtech]

1) Spit tastes delicious.
2) Can't be pissed off about being stiffed no more if you're getting 15 fucking dollars an hour.

1) Spit's the least of it, but don't let me deter you. I think you should be free to do as you please, and I am not judging you.

2) You don't understand or don't have the imagination to anticipate the consequences of raising everyone's pay. $15 in the future won't be anything like your idea of $15 now.