YAST, Multiple shots fired in Chattanooga

[PokerGuy]

well, are talking about specific mass shootings or crime in general. I believe, if I remember correctly, the OP was about a mass shooting.

Even if you use some contrived distinction between "mass shooting" versus any other shootings, the combined stats from all these events are not even a rounding error in the grand scheme. Why should policy be dictated by events that are not at all relevant in the big scheme?

 

[PokerGuy]

Looks like 3 people wounded (1 police officer and 2 marines) and the shooter has been killed.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/shooting-confirmed-tennessee-navy/story?id=32494050

As good a result as can be hoped for at this point. Perp is apparently dead, hopefully the victims recover.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Even if you use some contrived distinction between "mass shooting" versus any other shootings, the combined stats from all these events are not even a rounding error in the grand scheme. Why should policy be dictated by events that are not at all relevant in the big scheme?

You're right, all is well, nothing to see here, move along. Business as usual in the good ol' USA.

 

[PokerGuy]

You're right, all is well, nothing to see here, move along. Business as usual in the good ol' USA.

Ah yes, when presented with logic we fall back to "we have to DO something!!", regardless of what the actual facts are.

 

[brianmanahan]

we need to transition the USA to a nordic country

perhaps by conquering canada and moving everyone in the US northwards to a frigid climate close the pole, we can achieve this and usher in an unbeforeseen era of peace

 

[werepossum]

There were actually shootings at two locations here. The main location is about a mile from me, but there was another shooting at a different recruiting station a couple miles away. Erlanger hospital is still on lock-down, but there were six ambulances sent there. (One may have been the shooter, if there was a substantial delay in reporting that he was down.) Prayers go out to those who were shot and their families.

I would hate to be the guy that decided to show off his new AR at work today, as one of the two large routes into downtown was blocked off and cars were being searched.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Ah yes, when presented with logic we fall back to "we have to DO something!!", regardless of what the actual facts are.

Logic is a stretch for what you posted. Clearly you feel there are no issues with these mass shootings, and nothing needs to be done. What I posted was out of frustration with your pig headed stubbornness and I should have not done it.

But yes, there is an increase in mass shootings, this qualifies as such and maybe, just maybe you can stop worrying about someone coming to take your precious, precious guns and we can have an adult conversation about the issue.

 

[Jaskalas]

ISIS.

We don't know who did it yet, but whoever it is needs to be hunted down, put on trial, and then put down.

 

[PokerGuy]

Logic is a stretch for what you posted. Clearly you feel there are no issues with these mass shootings, and nothing needs to be done.

Rational logic says policy should not be dictated by an infinitesimally small fraction of events based on emotional appeal. Of course I'd love to see these kinds of events not happen at all, but realistically, that isn't going to happen. Each time there is an event and everyone (especially the media!) starts the same "we have to do something!" discussion, we can all step back and see the situation for what it is in context.

But yes, there is an increase in mass shootings, this qualifies as such and maybe, just maybe you can stop worrying about someone coming to take your precious, precious guns and we can have an adult conversation about the issue.

Uh, I don't even have any guns. Lousy assumptions FTL. There is no "adult conversation" to be had for these scenarios, because the proposed "solutions" to the problem inevitably involve infringing on the rights of law abiding citizens and won't actually have an impact on the supposed problem.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Rational logic says policy should not be dictated by an infinitesimally small fraction of events based on emotional appeal. Of course I'd love to see these kinds of events not happen at all, but realistically, that isn't going to happen. Each time there is an event and everyone (especially the media!) starts the same "we have to do something!" discussion, we can all step back and see the situation for what it is in context.



Uh, I don't even have any guns. Lousy assumptions FTL. There is no "adult conversation" to be had for these scenarios, because the proposed "solutions" to the problem inevitably involve infringing on the rights of law abiding citizens and won't actually have an impact on the supposed problem.

And yet when the subject shifts to voter ID you argue the exact opposite.
Irrelevant to the OP sure. Just amazed at the double standard for something you agree with.

 

[Subyman]

I went and checked my guns. Good thing they are still in their case and I can confirm they are not the shooter. I went ahead and put them in a locked trunk to make sure they don't run off.

 

[PokerGuy]

And yet when the subject shifts to voter ID you argue the exact opposite.
Irrelevant to the OP sure. Just amazed at the double standard for something you agree with.

There's no double standard, at all. Completely different situation, different parameters, options, solutions, consequences etc. That's another thread though.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

someone is not happy with the navy and/or military in general. based on the CNN article, sounds like someone essentially did a drive by.

So everyday in South LA?

 

[PokerGuy]

So everyday in South LA?

Does a drive-by in LA, Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore etc even hit the news?

 

[Jaskalas]

4 Marines killed, police officer wounded when gunman fires at 2 military facilities in Chattanooga, Tenn.

 

[TheSlamma]

Does a drive-by in LA, Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore etc even hit the news?

I can speak for Detroit since I lived there, Not most of the time. But my last house I lived at before this one here in Denver my neighbor across the street was victim of a driveby and that didn't make the news either. But everything in the East Colfax area is best forgotten.

 

[allisolm]

CNN is saying 4 dead included shooter and 3 wounded at the Naval Reserve Center.

edit: News conference says 4 dead plus shooter.

 

[lotus503]

I would say that, unqualified. The only way to prevent this is to remove every single gun. That would require a complete national military gun sweep from coast to coast. The moment such a sweep is initiated, militia groups would form up and there would be civil war. It is very likely that entire liberal cities would be sieged and burned down. It would be bad, but some good would come out of it. Most of the gun grabbers would be trapped in the cities where they would hopefully eat each other.

Naw just do it like we do everything else, incrementalism.

Step One: No more manufacturing or importing of firearms in the US.
Step Two: Ban Hand-Guns outright
Step three: Start a media campaign painting all gun owners as crazy/scared
Step Four: Offer turn in programs for firearms
Step 5: Destroy all firearms that are confiscated by legal means.

Wait about 30 years, Guns will be super expensive and owning one will be like having AIDS in the 80's, you will be a social pariah.

 

[Jaskalas]

Naw just do it like we do everything else, incrementalism.

Step One: No more manufacturing or importing of firearms in the US.
Step Two: Ban Hand-Guns outright
Step three: Start a media campaign painting all gun owners as crazy/scared
Step Four: Offer turn in programs for firearms
Step 5: Destroy all firearms that are confiscated by legal means.

Wait about 30 years, Guns will be super expensive and owning one will be like having AIDS in the 80's, you will be a social pariah.

Truly, those who say it cannot be done simply think of the immediate "here and now". They don't look to what effect a long standing policy such as yours would have 30,50,100 years down the road.

It can be done, but should it be?

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Does a drive-by in LA, Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore etc even hit the news?

Definitely not national news. Some kid was killed in a drive by at my old high school not too long ago by some gangsters on a bicycle and the farthest it made was a blurb in local news.

 

[Genx87]

Naw just do it like we do everything else, incrementalism.

Step One: No more manufacturing or importing of firearms in the US.
Step Two: Ban Hand-Guns outright
Step three: Start a media campaign painting all gun owners as crazy/scared
Step Four: Offer turn in programs for firearms
Step 5: Destroy all firearms that are confiscated by legal means.

Wait about 30 years, Guns will be super expensive and owning one will be like having AIDS in the 80's, you will be a social pariah.

That would require the US govt to stop being the largest dealer of arms in the world. Good luck.

 

[PokerGuy]

As good a result as can be hoped for at this point. Perp is apparently dead, hopefully the victims recover.

4 Marines killed, police officer wounded when gunman fires at 2 military facilities in Chattanooga, Tenn.

Well, that's significantly worse Three innocent people killed.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Naw just do it like we do everything else, incrementalism.

Step One: No more manufacturing or importing of firearms in the US.
Step Two: Ban Hand-Guns outright
Step three: Start a media campaign painting all gun owners as crazy/scared
Step Four: Offer turn in programs for firearms
Step 5: Destroy all firearms that are confiscated by legal means.

Wait about 30 years, Guns will be super expensive and owning one will be like having AIDS in the 80's, you will be a social pariah.

won't happen per the 2nd amendment (unless you repeal it).

Well, that's significantly worse Three innocent people killed.

 

[PokerGuy]

won't happen per the 2nd amendment (unless you repeal it).

Hey, the lunatic fringe on the SCOTUS was one justice away from essentially throwing the 2nd amendment out the window just recently. I don't think the second is going to survive, as more idiots get added to the court ultimately it will go away. It won't get repealed, it will just magically get interpreted to mean something completely different than what it says and what those who created it meant.

 

[HumblePie]

Naw just do it like we do everything else, incrementalism.

Step One: No more manufacturing or importing of firearms in the US.
Step Two: Ban Hand-Guns outright
Step three: Start a media campaign painting all gun owners as crazy/scared
Step Four: Offer turn in programs for firearms
Step 5: Destroy all firearms that are confiscated by legal means.

Wait about 30 years, Guns will be super expensive and owning one will be like having AIDS in the 80's, you will be a social pariah.

Because that has stopped random violent crime and murders everywhere else similar measures have been implemented right?

Don't think so.

So it doesn't stop murders or violent crimes or even really reduce them in countries that have implemented such changes (see Australia and England). However, citizens without guns are easy prey for a government with them. Many current countries show this fact including recent news making ones like Syria.