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HomerJS said:
CDC gun death statistics 2005 and 2020. I asked @Greenman do more guns make us safer. He said that is the wrong question since some places will be safer some will be less safe. I decided to look up the numbers myself. We know gun ownership is way up from 2005 to 2020 so don't need those numbers. Here are the deaths by state. I was unable to find a state that was made safer by more guns. Look for yourself, maybe I missed one. Clearly in EVERY state in the United States we are LESS safe with MORE guns. Also note on the map the states with the highest and lowest gun deaths.

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Is there a way to take suicides out of the numbers? I'd like to see that. I'd also like to see the breakdown by county as that would more accurate reflect cultural/economic differences.
As an example, I now live in the poorest state in the union, but you'd never know that driving around here. No shootings, no junk cars on the roads, no trash on the roads. Two quality hospitals within 15 miles of me. All the shopping anyone could want within that same 15 miles.
Go one county over and it's an entirely different story.
Back on the topic at hand, clearly there would be no gun deaths if we had no guns. It's my opinion that that's an impossible goal to reach.
 
Greenman said:
Is there a way to take suicides out of the numbers? I'd like to see that. I'd also like to see the breakdown by county as that would more accurate reflect cultural/economic differences.
As an example, I now live in the poorest state in the union, but you'd never know that driving around here. No shootings, no junk cars on the roads, no trash on the roads. Two quality hospitals within 15 miles of me. All the shopping anyone could want within that same 15 miles.
Go one county over and it's an entirely different story.
Back on the topic at hand, clearly there would be no gun deaths if we had no guns. It's my opinion that that's an impossible goal to reach.
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Forget gun deaths in particular - homicide by all causes goes up when you have more guns.

The correlation is very simple: more guns = more dead people.
 
Greenman said:
Is there a way to take suicides out of the numbers? I'd like to see that. I'd also like to see the breakdown by county as that would more accurate reflect cultural/economic differences.
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States not good enough, you need breakdown by county. Someone already have that info available? Welp, now we need it by municipality. Then we need the breakdown by neighborhood. 🙄

And if someone supplies those statistics for you, will you find more excuses to not discuss it honestly? All you do is try to add questionability to every circumstance in order to cast doubt on finding solutions.

Intellectual dishonesty. Shocker.
 
Zor Prime said:
Statistically, the possibility of someone trained in firearms hanging around is going to provide some measure of determent. I don't have numbers for that, but it's common sense.
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LMAO!

Bruh you are LITERALLY making up stats to try and back your stupid ass argument. Like straight up pulling them out of your ass.

You have no clue what common sense is my dude.
 
MrSquished said:
It's a simple yes or no answer. Do you support a ban on semi automatic long guns or not?

Not semi automatic handguns, or bolt action rifles, or semi automatic shotguns.

Give it a shot.
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As I said, I am for rational gun laws. In my opinion any attempt to ban weapons invented and in use since 1895 will not pass constitutional muster and be a total liberal jerking off waste of time. Almost everybody who owns guns as part of rural life and beyond owns or has owned a Semi 22. My first was a 22 bolt action but it carries around 20 rounds making it marginally slower than a semi. Some people are quite fast with a bolt action.

I am interested in the possible and the effective and believe that the cause of gun violence is the prevalence of mental illness, an illness that goes untreated because of the average person's profound psychological ignorance. You can't even come to grips with the reality that you create what you fear. You create gun violence out of your fear of it while blaming everything else under the sun for it. You want guns banned? How many armed police do you think will be required to enforce it?

The answer to gun violence, then, looks to be a well armed liberal controlled police force. Good guns to solve the bad gun problem.
 
Moonbeam said:
You create gun violence out of your fear of it while blaming everything else under the sun for it.
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I'm pretty sure the people creating gun violence are the people using guns to commit violent acts. Not the people getting angry (or fearful, as you say) over the results of those violent actions.

Even in your bubbled worldview...that statement makes absolutely no sense.
 
Moonbeam said:
As I said, I am for rational gun laws. In my opinion any attempt to ban weapons invented and in use since 1895 will not pass constitutional muster and be a total liberal jerking off waste of time. Almost everybody who owns guns as part of rural life and beyond owns or has owned a Semi 22. My first was a 22 bolt action but it carries around 20 rounds making it marginally slower than a semi. Some people are quite fast with a bolt action.

I am interested in the possible and the effective and believe that the cause of gun violence is the prevalence of mental illness, an illness that goes untreated because of the average person's profound psychological ignorance. You can't even come to grips with the reality that you create what you fear. You create gun violence out of your fear of it while blaming everything else under the sun for it. You want guns banned? How many armed police do you think will be required to enforce it?

The answer to gun violence, then, looks to be a well armed liberal controlled police force. Good guns to solve the bad gun problem.
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Mental illness is a phrase thrown around all the time but I never hear how to separate the mentally ill or mentally incapable from guns. There are people with serious anger issues that should never own a gun. You can't let these people own a firearm while their issues are being worked out.

Mentally incapable need to be screened before a purchase. People who have mental episodes need red flag laws invoked.
 
Greenman said:
Because suicide is a voluntary act without a victim.
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I mean I can't believe some of you still talk to these people about gun violence. They will always be shit people about this. Greenman couldn't see a fact in his face if it plopped down in front of him and stayed in his vision for hours straight. The guy is just not a good cookie.

Not counting suicide because there is no victim. HOLY FUCKING SHIT! (nevermind all the other kind of gun violence WAY MORE PREVALENT when more guns are around)

Nah, i mean that person isn't a victim, really (even though they are) - but how about parentless children now, or childless parents? Or a husband or wife now without a partner. Or a brother or sister now without a sibling. Or nieces and nephews without an Uncle or an Aunt. It doesn't even occur to him because he lacks basic empathy. ANd will never ever get empathy. A danger to society.

People like Greenman will never see humanity, because they lack humanity. Just horrific people. They prove it with almost every post too. They will never get better.
 
HomerJS said:
Mental illness is a phrase thrown around all the time but I never hear how to separate the mentally ill or mentally incapable from guns. There are people with serious anger issues that should never own a gun. You can't let these people own a firearm while their issues are being worked out.

Mentally incapable need to be screened before a purchase. People who have mental episodes need red flag laws invoked.
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It's established. Moonbeam is against any kind of semi-automatic long gun ban, the choice of mass shooters and that allows shooters to kill from distances rapidly where it can be hard to take them down, as has happened numerous times in this country.
 
With bullet hit rates anywhere from 25% to a generous 50% for trained police officers clearly what we need is more people with guns firing their stray bullets through the air. That'll keep us safe.
 
fskimospy said:
1) I agree, dead people are dead people.
2) even if you do as he asks and remove suicides the same relationship exists for homicides so it doesn't change anything.
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Humans have been arming themselves more and more effectively since they learned to throw sticks from trees. Any weapon that can be used to defend can be used to attack. It ought to be obvious, then, what the motivation of those who want to prevent being killed in an attack is, the love of life itself, a normal healthy mental place to be.

But what is the mental state of those who are determined to use weapons to kill who are under no threat of some other person's attack. What makes them want to kill innocent people? You do not know the answer to that, nor do you really want to. You can't think your way to the answer with logic. You can only know by feeling it.

That is why you imagine an argument like removing suicides from the equation will change nothing is an absurd but correct statement to make. The mental illness behind gun violence is the insane notion that if you kill what you hate you will be free of of the feelings of guilt you carry unaware it is there within.

This works out two different ways. You can kill someone to get revenge for being made to feel too worthless to deserve happiness or you can kill yourself for the same reason. It all comes down to the same thing, the inability, the refusal to feel your inner pain. You do not know yours so you could not see it in your friend who killed himself.

I know there was no way for you to be any wiser than you are, that any guilt you carry is an absurdity, but I know to that behind guilt there is anger. It is what anger is. I am so sorry for your loss. Everything that has happened could not have happened other than it did.
 
Greenman said:
Is there a way to take suicides out of the numbers? I'd like to see that. I'd also like to see the breakdown by county as that would more accurate reflect cultural/economic differences.
As an example, I now live in the poorest state in the union, but you'd never know that driving around here. No shootings, no junk cars on the roads, no trash on the roads. Two quality hospitals within 15 miles of me. All the shopping anyone could want within that same 15 miles.
Go one county over and it's an entirely different story.
Back on the topic at hand, clearly there would be no gun deaths if we had no guns. It's my opinion that that's an impossible goal to reach.
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Which state? If what you described is true it's the equivalent of a gated community. Somehow, you've managed to isolate yourself, so you don't catch the poor.
 
Greenman said:
Because suicide is a voluntary act without a victim.
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There are lots of victims of suicide - even if you don't want to count the person who died themselves, and I think that's insane, they have friends, family members, etc.

The reason why victim's families are allowed to introduce statements to parole boards, etc. is the same - we recognize that the direct victim is not the only one.

Also, most people who attempt suicide never do so again so if they hadn't had a gun they would likely still be alive as firearms are among the most effective tools for suicide. Of course that's not surprising as the purpose of a gun is to kill.
 
fskimospy said:
There are lots of victims of suicide - even if you don't want to count the person who died themselves, and I think that's insane, they have friends, family members, etc.

The reason why victim's families are allowed to introduce statements to parole boards, etc. is the same - we recognize that the direct victim is not the only one.

Also, most people who attempt suicide never do so again so if they hadn't had a gun they would likely still be alive as firearms are among the most effective tools for suicide. Of course that's not surprising as the purpose of a gun is to kill.
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This ^. Suicide attempts are much more successful when attempted with a gun. Easier to save someone from an OD or other method than trying to replace large portions of a skull.
 
just never stops... Guess no good guys with guns here either huh?

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