YASST: 3 kids + 3 adults dead in latest school shooting...

[Moonbeam]

Are you drunk or just trolling?


We lose people every day, we have mass shootings regularly. Tons of intelligent around the country are discussing how we can fix this.
What the hell is your solution?

Mine is to bring down Rupert Murdoch and his propaganda empire. With no nazi agenda on the charge I expect America to return to sanity in one generation.

Of many who post here you are doubtless aware that your solution is as unlikely to be effected as all the rest. But I do agree propaganda is the real enemy. It just that when it started with us has been deeply repressed.

 

[Moonbeam]

Be nice.
Also, I think Moonies main argument has always been "people hate themselves" and it doesn't seem to apply to many situations.
Right now I believe its more basic. More primal.
Its fear. Thanks to the horse shit being spread, some of it by Russians, a lot of Americans are afraid the government is going to kill or imprison them, or the coloreds are going to kill or imprison them, or the trannies are going to kill or imprison them.
Rush Limbaugh was the worst, but after he died there were still plenty left around. And the vast majority of them are not true believers. Most are simple con artists and snake oil salesmen. Alex Jones is literally a snake oil salesmen.

Propaganda works because of conformation bias. What is it that causes people to huddle in cults out of fear. It is their collective feelings of worthlessness they need to pretend aren't what they feel internally themselves but are simply wicked accusations thrown at them by external devils. Fear is primal. Only language and past negative experiences attach that fear to thought experiences. Only programming can make you fear what isn't present for people who are awake in the now to reality.

Compare Rodan's The Thinker to a statue of the Buddha. Thought produces the notion of perfection and imperfection. What you were born with was the joy of being. Life loves life.

You think my self hate thing does not apply but are you aware of how you respond when I tell you I have a special fondness for you because you are so down on yourself. You are more aware than most that what I say is true despite your denials.

 

[Moonbeam]

So, you fear stupidity? Only ask because your “holier than thou” bullshit you shovel seems to dwell on your stupidity and abject ignorance.

I guess gun sales went down, then, when I thought they went up proving that suspicions that guns will be taken does not sell more weapons.

What sells weapons is fear, rational and irrational fear.

 

[Pohemi]

And he never tried to ban firearms. We create what we fear and the fear doesn't need to be rational. The people helping to create the number of guns in circulation that contribute to the number of deaths caused by them are in part the people creating the fear they will be banned. Better buy while you can, no?

You are trying to blame gun control advocates for creating the fear of gun bans. I won't argue that it's had no effect on the fear from the right about losing their guns, but the proposed "assault rifle" ban is the ONLY mention of a "ban" I've seen or heard about. Everyone else just wants more/better regulations.

If someone proposes even new regulation though, that gets twisted into, "They want to ban guns!!" I don't think it's fair to say much or most of that fear isn't self-created or cycled. Blaming regulation advocates for it is dishonest IMO.

Lot's of things make no sense to psychologically ignorant people, particularly things that have a psychological motive.

This "psychologically ignorant" person has a pretty good idea about human psychology, actually. It's just that your statement was indeed nonsensical.

 

[brycejones]

And it still doesn't matter. We can't stuff that genie back in the bottle. We can discuss the pitfalls of driving off a cliff on the way down, but it won't change the sudden stop at the bottom.

Fucking lazy ass quitter. It’s people like you causing the decline of America.

 

[gothuevos]

Because suicide is a voluntary act without a victim.

Are you even real or are you Skynet sent from the future???

 

[gothuevos]

Anyway,

https://twitter.com/x/status/1641614202333798402

Guess all that's left is to arm the kids? Or arm the guns? AI guns?

If you want to make an argument about having TRAINED professionals on site, fine. After Uvalde, that plan too may not work. But to expect Mr. Johnson from 3rd grade math to suddenly turn into John Rambo in the middle of a crisis situation is just LOL.

 

[Moonbeam]

You are trying to blame gun control advocates for creating the fear of gun bans. I won't argue that it's had no effect on the fear from the right about losing their guns, but the proposed "assault rifle" ban is the ONLY mention of a "ban" I've seen or heard about. Everyone else just wants more/better regulations.

If someone proposes even new regulation though, that gets twisted into, "They want to ban guns!!" I don't think it's fair to say much or most of that fear isn't self-created or cycled. Blaming regulation advocates for it is dishonest IMO.

This "psychologically ignorant" person has a pretty good idea about human psychology, actually. It's just that your statement was indeed nonsensical.

You have to stop waving that magic wand around. Saying that what I said is nonsensical does not make it nonsensical. I said we create what we fear, something you would not have the comprehension to understand and provided an example: When a liberal Democrat was elected to be President, gun sales shot up. That is why liberal fear of guns and particularly of conservatives who own them generate a reaction, fear they will be taken away by liberals and a buying spree. That is exactly how we create what we fear. It is a form of insanity but it makes perfect sense if you understand your own fears. But that won't be easy if you don't know that what you really fear is that your feelings of worthlessness fit the bill. Another thing your fear does is to turn my attempt to save you from that fate into viewing me as a dangerous enemy. Know yourself and you will know everyone else.

 

[Moonbeam]

Anyway,

https://twitter.com/x/status/1641614202333798402

Guess all that's left is to arm the kids? Or arm the guns? AI guns?

If you want to make an argument about having TRAINED professionals on site, fine. After Uvalde, that plan too may not work. But to expect Mr. Johnson from 3rd grade math to suddenly turn into John Rambo in the middle of a crisis situation is just LOL.

You should read The Weapon Shops of Isher.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Because suicide is a voluntary act without a victim.

False.

 

[ch33zw1z]

just never stops... Guess no good guys with guns here either huh?

Purple sweatshirt, obviously LBGTQ+ member then.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Back on the topic at hand, clearly there would be no gun deaths if we had no guns. It's my opinion that that's an impossible goal to reach.

You are probably right about that. While it would be nice to have no gun deaths, can we agree that less gun deaths would be an improvement? Surely if you can understand that no guns means no gun deaths you can understand that less guns means less gun deaths. That is worth doing, isn't it?

 

[purbeast0]

You are probably right about that. While it would be nice to have no gun deaths, can we agree that less gun deaths would be an improvement? Surely if you can understand that no guns means no gun deaths you can understand that less guns means less gun deaths. That is worth doing, isn't it?

That is a bold assumption to make lol.

 

[HomerJS]

Study: President Obama’s election scared Americans into buying more guns

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And he never tried to ban firearms. We create what we fear and the fear doesn't need to be rational. The people helping to create the number of guns in circulation that contribute to the number of deaths caused by them are in part the people creating the fear they will be banned. Better buy while you can, no?

Lot's of things make no sense to psychologically ignorant people, particularly things that have a psychological motive.

Pubs have bastardized the old Franklin Roosevelt quote...

"The only thing we have is fear"

 

[uallas5]

Pubs have bastardized the old Franklin Roosevelt quote...

"The only thing we have is fear"

The only thing we have to exploit is fear itself.

 

[Pens1566]

The only thing we have to exploit is fear itself.

The only thing we have is to raise money from fear and then launder it into our pockets, you dumb rubes.

 

[pcgeek11]

If I wanted to say semi auto handguns and shotguns I would have said so. You are just making shit up to appease your mind. Just say why you don't want to ban semi-automatic rifles, don't put words in my mouth, use your words.

I mean like stores that sell doughnuts and food and other things, also sell guns. I never said they aren't licensed. Gun stores should be gun stores, and that is it. They should not be associated casually like picking up a doughnut and also leaving with an AR-15. A gun is serious fucking business, it shouldn't be sold next to pastries and toys. Ever.

Semi-auto handguns and shotguns are just as deadly as a semiautomatic rifle. That is why I asked you a question about those. I didn't make up anything or put words in your mouth.

IF you want to ban semi-sutomatic rifles then you should also ban semi-automatic pistols and shotguns.

I don't see the need to ban semi-automatic rifles any more than I would a semi-automatic pistol or shotgun. Controlling the magazine capacity works very well for all of these weapons - rifles, pistols and shotguns. I would say limit to a 4 or 5 round magazine. On the other hand you would be surprised how much damage a person can do with a revolver, bolt action / lever action rifle or a pump shotgun with proper training.

I see where many like to claim the AR15 is a weapon of war when it isn't. If it were it would have a fully automatic mode. It is nothing more than a semi-auto rifle. The dangerous part is the large magazines that can be obtained and used.

I'm okay with gun controls within reason. But first they need to develope a universal definition for what an "Assault Rifle" consist of. It is silly to lump an AR15 in with a 22 LR Squirrel Rifle.

I have lived in the south most of my life and have never seem guns being sold in a doughnut shop. Do you have an example or are you just making this up? The only example I can think of is Walmart that have tightened up sales see below:

What is Walmart doing to guarantee responsible firearm sales?

We care deeply about the responsible sale and regulation of firearms, and we know this is also an important issue to our customers.

corporate.walmart.com

"In 2018, we made the decision to raise the minimum age to purchase firearms and ammunition in our stores to 21 years of age. In years prior, we ended sales of modern sporting rifles, including the AR-15. Most recently, in September 2019, we decided to no longer sell the ammunition that can be used in large capacity magazines on military-style weapons, which we do not sell. We also made a complete exit from handgun sales. We will focus our assortment of ammunition on the firearms we do carry."


EDIT: I saw your image of the Ace Hardware Store. I concede the doughnut shop example.Where is that located?

 

[purbeast0]

IF you want to ban semi-sutomatic rifles then you should also ban semi-automatic pistols and shotguns.

That is a fantastic idea.

Ban all semi-automatic weapons. (for personal use obviously, not police/military)

Have a buy back program for them.

If you are found with one outside of the buy back program, then you serve mandatory jail time and/or a huge fine, and your gun is confiscated.

This won't infringe on your right to own guns, because you can still get a non-semi-automatic gun.

 

[pcgeek11]

Uh no. My argument is completely sound. I didn't say these stores weren't permitted, that's exactly the problem - I said they shouldn't be sold in those types of environments. AKA a gun store should be a gunstore, not this, from the South at an Ace Hardware, and this is just one of many. You look foolish and uninformed because you made up your own conclusion from my statement. So stupid.


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I guess some do sell guns with doughnuts. How long did it take to find that?
Do you have a link to the locality where that is?

Not that it matters much.

 

[pcgeek11]

Please tell us, how much luck would that guy have had from up in that hotel room without the semi-automatic rifles he bought and tweaked to suit his purposes? What if he simply didn't have access to that type of rifle? What would have happened then?

Oh I know, a result that would piss you off. That being, that poor fella would be living under some real gun control. That's BAD FOLKS!

Well they did outlaw the bump-stocks...

 

[nakedfrog]

Well they did outlaw the bump-stocks...

Well, they tried, anyway. "Gun rights" advocates weren't having it.

A U.S. appeals court blocks a ban on rapid-fire 'bump stocks'

A Trump administration ban on the devices, which enable a shooter to rapidly fire multiple rounds from semi-automatic weapons after an initial trigger pull, was struck down by a federal appeals court.

www.npr.org

 

[Pens1566]

I guess some do sell guns with doughnuts. How long did it take to find that?
Do you have a link to the locality where that is?

Not that it matters much.

Something similar, but you could google "gun raffles in WV" and see two rather large ones (like 30+ guns in each) as some of the prizes.

This stuff is out there, just depends on locality.

 

[brycejones]

IF you want to ban semi-sutomatic rifles then you should also ban semi-automatic pistols and shotguns.

Absofuckinglutely!

 

[Moonbeam]

Pubs have bastardized the old Franklin Roosevelt quote...

"The only thing we have is fear"

No, it's "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." The solipsistic distinction is important. Fear is not an emotion. It is the constriction of emotion, the experience of the loss of all feeling, the maximum denial of whatever feeling it is we most want to prevent from coming into conscious memory. It is emotional death, being dead in the sense of the absence of any warmth.

What we fear is the state of being afraid because it is the experience of not being alive, the awareness that we are emotionally dead. To allow that to happen leads back in time to knowledge of when we died. There we know what the real enemy was, our fear of feeling what we really feel, the awareness of what happened to us that told us never ever to be alive again. With that awareness comes new life, the realization that all kept us asleep, emotionally lifeless was fear of fear. Then you can know that everything we fear has already happened.

 

[pcgeek11]

Well, they tried, anyway. "Gun rights" advocates weren't having it.

A U.S. appeals court blocks a ban on rapid-fire 'bump stocks'

A Trump administration ban on the devices, which enable a shooter to rapidly fire multiple rounds from semi-automatic weapons after an initial trigger pull, was struck down by a federal appeals court.

www.npr.org

I was looking at this from the ATF and Justice.gov and not an NPR Article.

Bump Stocks | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

On June 14, 2024, the United States Supreme Court in Cargill v. United States, 144 S.Ct. 222 (2024) held that a semiautomatic rifle equipped with a bump stock does not meet the definition of a “machinegun” as defined under 26 U.S.C. § 5845(b) of the National Firearms Act because the Court...

www.atf.gov

Department of Justice Announces Bump-Stock-Type Devices Final Rule

Today, Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker announced that the Department of Justice has amended the regulations of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), clarifying that bump stocks fall within the definition of “machinegun” under federal law, as such devices allow...

www.justice.gov

From your linked article they are still banned.

The decision doesn't have an immediate effect on the ban though because the case now moves back to the lower court to decide how to proceed.

The case was somewhat unique because the issue involves not the Second Amendment but the interpretation of federal statutes. Opponents of the ban argued that bump stocks do not fall under the definition of illegal machine guns in federal law. The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives says they do, a position now being defended by the Biden administration