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YASBL -- Yet Another Swift Boat Liar, Larry Odell.
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So what, you never had any and everyone here knows it. So what there are 19 more vet's who don't like Kerry? What of it?
Where was Bush Lite when Kerry was in Nam? What was he doing? To me, that is the issue. I think a lot of people would be interested in knowing that so they can make their own comparisons and their own decisions regarding who deserves to President.
This election is not in the hands of the swifties, regardless of what idiots like you think. The old roper/doper tactics aren't going to work anymore. You better get primed to talk about some real issues in the coming weeks because this one has been beat to death and you guys proved nothing.
And what would you know about credibility anyway? From the posts I can see, very little if anything.
August 23, 2004
What is the Deal with Kerry's War Service?
Jan Larson
John Kerry has made his service in Viet Nam, some 35 years ago, the centerpiece of his campaign for the presidency. Now the Kerry campaign, being challenged on the true recollection of that service, is attempting to deflect the criticism in whatever way possible.
The Kerry campaign has taken a, "How dare you question?" attitude toward Kerry's Viet Nam service and therefore it cannot be too surprising that the campaign is attempting to not only discredit the claims of the Swift Boat Veterans' for Truth, but has also tried to block television stations from carrying the group's ads and as well as trying to have their book removed from bookstores. This from the party that are such staunch advocates of freedom of speech?
The campaign has tried to focus attention away from questions about Kerry's service by questioning President Bush's service in the National Guard and has painted the Swift Boat Veterans with a broad brush, suggesting that they are nothing but partisan liars.
Kerry campaign spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter's remark that, "... he (Kerry) doesn't tolerate lies from others," ironically suggests that Kerry's own lies are acceptable.
Now the Kerry campaign has filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission claiming that the group behind the ads is illegally coordinating with the Bush/Cheney campaign.
The real issue is not so much what happened 35 years ago, but rather how Kerry tells it. What matters is how Kerry handles himself when the going gets tough and it seems that the Kerry campaign is having a hard time working in the kitchen as the temperature increases.
The American electorate has every right to know if Kerry's claims are truthful or not. So far, all we have are Kerry's claims and his support from his 12 or 15 "band of brothers." Telling the other side of the story are the some 250 Swift Boat Veterans. Those veterans need to be heard and the American people can then decide who they want leading the country into the future.
Personally, I find it hard to ignore the Swift Boat Veterans out of hand, as some have done. Admittedly, at least some of these veterans have an axe to grind with Kerry over his anti-war activities after returning from Viet Nam, but when 250 veterans who served with Kerry claim that he is unfit to be commander in chief, there must be something to their story.
Despite the Kerry campaign's belief that Kerry's service record must not be questioned, the mere fact that someone served in the military does not automatically make him or her a saint, witness Lynndie England.
Not to classify Kerry with the likes of England, but it is entirely possible that Kerry's recollection and portrayal of events 35 years ago and halfway around the world are not 100% reflective of the truth. Might Kerry have a selective memory? Possibly. Might Kerry attempt to frame his actions in Viet Nam in the most favorable light? Quite likely. Are there things about his service that he hasn't revealed? That's what I want to know.
The fact of the matter is that while John Kerry's in-country service in Viet Nam is subject to differing recollections and may or may not have been as honorable as Kerry presents, his full-color home movies notwithstanding, his actions upon returning from Viet Nam are not subject to interpretation.
Kerry's demonstrated lack of conviction, some would say flip-flopping, during his years in the Senate suggests that he, in the spirit of the last Democratic President, Bill Clinton, might tend to present the "facts" in whichever way is most favorable for the day. Whether those facts are the same tomorrow is anyone's guess. If Kerry expects Americans to judge his worthiness for the Presidency based on his four months in Viet Nam, it doesn't seem like too much to ask to know the truth about those four months.
What is the Deal with Kerry's War Service?
Jan Larson
John Kerry has made his service in Viet Nam, some 35 years ago, the centerpiece of his campaign for the presidency. Now the Kerry campaign, being challenged on the true recollection of that service, is attempting to deflect the criticism in whatever way possible.
The Kerry campaign has taken a, "How dare you question?" attitude toward Kerry's Viet Nam service and therefore it cannot be too surprising that the campaign is attempting to not only discredit the claims of the Swift Boat Veterans' for Truth, but has also tried to block television stations from carrying the group's ads and as well as trying to have their book removed from bookstores. This from the party that are such staunch advocates of freedom of speech?
The campaign has tried to focus attention away from questions about Kerry's service by questioning President Bush's service in the National Guard and has painted the Swift Boat Veterans with a broad brush, suggesting that they are nothing but partisan liars.
Kerry campaign spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter's remark that, "... he (Kerry) doesn't tolerate lies from others," ironically suggests that Kerry's own lies are acceptable.
Now the Kerry campaign has filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission claiming that the group behind the ads is illegally coordinating with the Bush/Cheney campaign.
The real issue is not so much what happened 35 years ago, but rather how Kerry tells it. What matters is how Kerry handles himself when the going gets tough and it seems that the Kerry campaign is having a hard time working in the kitchen as the temperature increases.
The American electorate has every right to know if Kerry's claims are truthful or not. So far, all we have are Kerry's claims and his support from his 12 or 15 "band of brothers." Telling the other side of the story are the some 250 Swift Boat Veterans. Those veterans need to be heard and the American people can then decide who they want leading the country into the future.
Personally, I find it hard to ignore the Swift Boat Veterans out of hand, as some have done. Admittedly, at least some of these veterans have an axe to grind with Kerry over his anti-war activities after returning from Viet Nam, but when 250 veterans who served with Kerry claim that he is unfit to be commander in chief, there must be something to their story.
Despite the Kerry campaign's belief that Kerry's service record must not be questioned, the mere fact that someone served in the military does not automatically make him or her a saint, witness Lynndie England.
Not to classify Kerry with the likes of England, but it is entirely possible that Kerry's recollection and portrayal of events 35 years ago and halfway around the world are not 100% reflective of the truth. Might Kerry have a selective memory? Possibly. Might Kerry attempt to frame his actions in Viet Nam in the most favorable light? Quite likely. Are there things about his service that he hasn't revealed? That's what I want to know.
The fact of the matter is that while John Kerry's in-country service in Viet Nam is subject to differing recollections and may or may not have been as honorable as Kerry presents, his full-color home movies notwithstanding, his actions upon returning from Viet Nam are not subject to interpretation.
Kerry's demonstrated lack of conviction, some would say flip-flopping, during his years in the Senate suggests that he, in the spirit of the last Democratic President, Bill Clinton, might tend to present the "facts" in whichever way is most favorable for the day. Whether those facts are the same tomorrow is anyone's guess. If Kerry expects Americans to judge his worthiness for the Presidency based on his four months in Viet Nam, it doesn't seem like too much to ask to know the truth about those four months.
You are either DIS-informed or totally UNinformed, and I am NOT your friend.[/quote]"Blah, blah, blah... (not worth wasting forum space to repost) ... blah."
-Barbara Stock[/quote]
Google for "The Kerry machine has protested the ad saying" returns links to five separate links, all to neocon sycophant sites, for this same vapid POS. Like every other POS vainly attempting to bolster the Not So Swift boat liars, it contains NO DOCUMENTATION of anything.
Credibility??? Buahahaha! is all that comes to mind. 😛
I couldn't find a site with your YARCAPJ (Yet Another Riprorin Cut And Paste Job) article by Jan Larson, but Googling her name shows that she is yet another neocon motor mouth whose words show up on the same bastions of neocon correctness like americandaily.com, washingtondispatch.com, etc., sites that paint their homepages in red, white and blue in a vain attempt to hide the stench of that brown crap spewing from their sites. :frown:
Rip -- You can cut and paste all the crap from all those crap site, and like them, you still haven't posted a single piece of evidence to disprove 30 years of established military documents confirming Kerry's history.
I am amazed that any individual can post as many words as you do and still say nothing. Are you a fool, a liar or both? :Q
If they're not subject to interpretation then how come I see someone trying to help end an unjust, unwanted war and you see a traitor?? The only person you are convinceing here is yourself and since your already convinced, your just wasting your time. LOL
I still would like to see Bush Lite release all information he has as to all of his activities during the 4 months Kerry was in Vietnam. Then we could compare apples to apples. After all the lies and deceit nothing has been proven except that there are veterans out there who are jealous of Kerry and feel they betrayed him and that is understandable, but is nothing but their opinion. It is time to put up some facts or shut up.
imported_tss4
Golden Member
And if we believe you, RIP, then all those honorable vets that support Kerry are lying.
You know, that same lieutenant that claims kerry was not being shot at becuase he was only 30 feet away and saw it all, also reported that he himself was being shot at during the same moment. There were bullet holes in his boat from the engagement according to the report that he gave. So, the enemey was shooting at him but not kerry? When there are holes like that in his story then why would you believe him instead of believing kerry is innocent until proven guilty. I can only believe its because you want to believe he is guilty and will spread any gossip you can about him.
Many of action reports were written up by one person. Even though there were multiple officers/senior NCOs, efficiency dictated taht only one action reports would get written. Why have 4-5 pieces of paper going through channels that would state the same thing.
A big problem is when the reports get modified after the fact.
That is some of the accusations that are being floated around regarding the submissions for medals and action reports.
Also, what some-one states in front of their buddies can be different that what actually goes down and/or is reported on paper.
Even though it will not happen, the best thing is for ll parties to get together in a debate and allow challenges to be answered to each view point.
Until that happens, it is who ever can provoke the most dramic response from the other side in a he said-she said finger pointing arguement.
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